Recommend electric folding scooter for end of commute (Mod Note Post #1)

beauf

What the tax and insurance like on the electric Moped?

LeeroyJ.

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

My wife got an electric Moped, the smaller scooter I use isn't viable for her as she commutes from D1 to Santry. She gets about 60km range per charge. The Battery is removable, you just plug it in inside the house. They are a good alternative to Petrol Mopeds.

Have you got a link ? interesting.

LeeroyJ.

beauf wrote: »

What the tax and insurance like on the electric Moped?

She pays around 400 Total with Road Tax and full insurance including theft (they get stolen quite frequently in Dublin)

This is the moped https://www.niu.com/en/n-series/

LeeroyJ.

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you got a link ? interesting.

https://www.niu.com/en/n-series/

weldoninhio

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://www.niu.com/en/n-series/

Was it expensive??

LeeroyJ.

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://www.niu.com/en/n-series/

Cool, thanks for the link, what speed does it do?

I remember one of my Ebike builds having over 5.5 Kw and over 7 Kw peak! :eek: But boy was it fun.

400 Euro for insurance seems excessive for such low power and speed ? but at least your Wife is a lot safer than on those other tiny electric scooters I see People whizzing around on.

Grassey

Deleted User wrote: »

400 Euro for insurance

Looks like 35ish of that is the Road Motor tax

I'm just looking again at the scooter specs, 7 hr charge time for a 29 Ah battery is way too long with todays available tech.

29 Ah means that the battery charger is around 4 amps which is really poor by Today's standards, should be able to charge at 8 amps at least.

Gumbo

Deleted User wrote: »

Cool, thanks for the link, what speed does it do?

I remember one of my Ebike builds having over 5.5 Kw and over 7 Kw peak! :eek: But boy was it fun.

400 Euro for insurance seems excessive for such low power and speed ? but at least your Wife is a lot safer than on those other tiny electric scooters I see People whizzing around on.

It’s a motorcycle essentially. Greater risk. As with all bikes.
My KTM 690SM was over double, nearly treble the insurance as my Model S Perfomance!

Gumbo

Gumbo wrote: »

It’s a motorcycle essentially. Greater risk. As with all bikes.
My KTM 690SM was over double, nearly treble the insurance as my Model S Perfomance!

1800 Watts ? that's many, many times away from a motorcycle with a 45/50 Km/hr limit, that kind of insurance is a joke.

graememk

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1800 Watts ? that's many, many times away from a motorcycle with a 45/50 Km/hr limit, that kind of insurance is a joke.

Including theft, so that could be the biggest end of it.

seligehgit

https://www.buyitdirect.ie/p/xiaomi-mi-electric-scooter-fbc4013gl#!#reviews

Anybody heard of this crowd?

Seems like a great price pre delivery costs versus €559.00 in my local Halfords.

Johnboy1951

seligehgit wrote: »

https://www.buyitdirect.ie/p/xiaomi-mi-electric-scooter-fbc4013gl#!#reviews

Anybody heard of this crowd?

Seems like a great price pre delivery costs versus €559.00 in my local Halfords.

I ordered some stuff from them Friday ....... hopefully to be delivered next Friday.

I should know then ...... one way or the other

...Ghost...

seligehgit wrote: »

https://www.buyitdirect.ie/p/xiaomi-mi-electric-scooter-fbc4013gl#!#reviews

Anybody heard of this crowd?

Seems like a great price pre delivery costs versus €559.00 in my local Halfords.

This company has a few different names. I know them as Laptops Direct. Ordered a SurfacePro6 a couple weeks ago for my wife at a good price. I had it sent to Parcel Motel for cheaper (free) delivery.

The power supply is faulty. I mailed them on Wednesday and got a reply Friday with a suggestion I deal with the manufacturer directly. I mailed them back to say I prefer dealing with the company I purchase from and I await their reply.

I actually have a spare power supply, so it's not a big deal, but the one we received was generating quite a bit of feedback and heat. I was surprised they weren't more on top of it when I got in touch.

seligehgit

...Ghost... wrote: »

This company has a few different names. I know them as Laptops Direct. Ordered a SurfacePro6 a couple weeks ago for my wife at a good price. I had it sent to Parcel Motel for cheaper (free) delivery.

The power supply is faulty. I mailed them on Wednesday and got a reply Friday with a suggestion I deal with the manufacturer directly. I mailed them back to say I prefer dealing with the company I purchase from and I await their reply.

I actually have a spare power supply, so it's not a big deal, but the one we received was generating quite a bit of feedback and heat. I was surprised they weren't more on top of it when I got in touch.

Thanks for the feedback.

Obviously as the seller they should be dealing with the manufacturer on your behalf.

rubadub

seligehgit wrote: »

https://www.buyitdirect.ie/p/xiaomi-mi-electric-scooter-fbc4013gl#!#reviews

Anybody heard of this crowd?

If it is very cheap I would be wary that it might be a fake one.

Johnboy1951

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I ordered some stuff from them Friday ....... hopefully to be delivered next Friday.

I should know then ...... one way or the other

Got an email this morning telling me the item has been dispatched.
It also included a tracking number (DPD) and an indication it is on a 2 day delivery.

We'll see ........

seligehgit

rubadub wrote: »

If it is very cheap I would be wary that it might be a fake one.

Decided to go with my local Halfords.

80 euro delivery charge put me off and I'd a peak on trustpilot too.

Martynet

seligehgit wrote: »

https://www.buyitdirect.ie/p/xiaomi-mi-electric-scooter-fbc4013gl#!#reviews

Anybody heard of this crowd?

Seems like a great price pre delivery costs versus €559.00 in my local Halfords.

It's still very expensive. It's the old model of m365. Can be found for under €300 when there's a deal on Bangood or Gearbest.

Tinder Surprise

I'd really like an electric scooter- but I'd really like not to end up in court more

So what's the craic? Tax and insurance required?

championc

By all accounts, I don't believe that there have been any reports of arrests in relation to the use of e-scooters on the streets in recent times, and there is no doubt that the numbers out there have ballooned. I think, by and large, people who use them are using them responsibly, and the law enforcers would appear to be seeing things the same way too.

rubadub

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Tax and insurance required?

Yes but you will not get it as I don't think any companies will take it on, it might not be legally possible either regardless of the cost . If it is treated like a vehicle then most of them will probably fail requirements, e.g. I imagine the rear light has to be a certain level off the ground, and wearing a light on your back might not be good enough.

Tinder Surprise

championc wrote: »

By all accounts, I don't believe that there have been any reports of arrests in relation to the use of e-scooters on the streets in recent times, and there is no doubt that the numbers out there have ballooned. I think, by and large, people who use them are using them responsibly, and the law enforcers would appear to be seeing things the same way too.

Still tho I don't like the thought of ending up in court, or the potential of it

Tinder Surprise

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Still tho I don't like the thought of ending up in court, or the potential of it

Absolutely, people going around on these scooters are leaving themselves wide open, being sued is no joke if you have no insurance and particularly if the scooter is not road legal the barrister will find anything that is not legal with that scooter, if the court rules against you then you could end up having to pay thousands of euros in damages and court fees.

But, heres a real eye opener, you can be arrested for injuring someone on a scooter or even a bicycle, if you're on a footpath and you injure someone then God Help You.

Arrestable offences include.

suffering physical injury,
causing loss of or damage to property,

The same goes for bicycles too, really there should be some sort of insurance for all these scooters, ebikes etc, even someone on a push bike can get sued if they injure someone.

liamog

A pedestrian walking into someone and injuring them can be sued, I thought most home insurance policies come with an element of personal liability insurance meaning the point is moot at most.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

A pedestrian walking into someone and injuring them can be sued, I thought most home insurance policies come with an element of personal liability insurance meaning the point is moot at most.

Might be personal injury to protect you not someone else and it might only be related to being in the home, you'd have to look that up on your policy documents. But somehow I doubt a home insurance policy would cover you hitting someone on a bicycle or on an e-scooter but it would be interesting to know.

It's just something I have been pondering for some time, what if there was insurance available for scooters and ebikes ? that would give everyone protection.

If you get sued and loose there could be massive bills, how do you pay, xxx income per month for xx years, forced to sell the house etc ? not something I'd like to have to face.

Ger Roe

[QUOTE=liamog;114751837 A pedestrian walking into someone and injuring them can be sued, I thought most home insurance policies come with an element of personal liability insurance meaning the point is moot at most.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they won't have the added complication of being in charge of and operating a vehicle of dubious legal status.

I am not sure if the personal liability clause in home insurance would cover the scenario you are suggesting. My understanding of the standard clause is that it relates to persons who may be injured on your insured property. Anyway, who says everyone who operates a scooter has a home insurance policy?

Even if the policy applied to you walking down the street, I am sure the insurer would easily get out of any obligation if you were operating an uninsured or unspecified (legally) vehicle.

Calahonda52

Deleted User wrote: »

But, heres a real eye opener, you can be arrested for injuring someone on a scooter or even a bicycle, if you're on a footpath and you injure someone then God Help You.

So a pedestrian injures a scooter driver and the pedestrian can be arrested?
Strange

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

Might be personal injury to protect you not someone else and it might only be related to being in the home, you'd have to look that up on your policy documents. But somehow I doubt a home insurance policy would cover you hitting someone on a bicycle or on an e-scooter but it would be interesting to know.

It's just something I have been pondering for some time, what if there was insurance available for scooters and ebikes ? that would give everyone protection.

If you get sued and loose there could be massive bills, how do you pay, xxx income per month for xx years, forced to sell the house etc ? not something I'd like to have to face.

An insurance requirement for scooters and bikes whether powered or not is an unneeded blocker to an a more sustainable form of transport, note I did not use the term personal injury, it's personal liability.

Here's the extract from my home insurance which covers it



Home insurance is a standard condition of mortgages and leases, so I would expect most people to have some personal liability coverage. I believe in countries where e-Scooters are legal, the personal liability coverage is common and provides adequate coverage.

@Ger Roe, given that we're discussing either using an e-Scooter in a jurisdiction they are legislated for, or in Ireland after they are legislated for, I'm not sure what your point is (see the Mod Note on post #1 for clarification)

galwaytt

Ger Roe wrote: »

Yes, but they won't have the added complication of being in charge of and operating a vehicle of dubious legal status.

I am not sure if the personal liability clause in home insurance would cover the scenario you are suggesting. My understanding of the standard clause is that it relates to persons who may be injured on your insured property. Anyway, who says everyone who operates a scooter has a home insurance policy?

Even if the policy applied to you walking down the street, I am sure the insurer would easily get out of any obligation if you were operating an uninsured or unspecified (legally) vehicle.

There's nothing dubious about it: they are mechanically propelled vehicles and as such fall under Type Approval, Licencing, Construction & Use Regulations, and the Road Traffic Act.

Ergo, they are required to display number plates & tax, and the rider needs to hold a licence and insurance.

Patently, none of that it is being enforced though.

I'm not making a judgement one way or the other about them being good or bad, but I frankly wouldn't put my driving licence at risk over one. But I can see the attraction for certain things.