M50 Second Toll

Klopp

Has anyone noticed the second toll that is been constructed on the M50 at red cow exit? When driving NB you can see the work on-going when heading NB. I can't find information online about this or when it was agreed. The M50 is nightmare 24/7, this isn't going to ease the congestion.

Tzardine

From February

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/m50-drivers-facing-more-toll-points-in-bid-to-tackle-traffic-congestion-36592474.html

pad199207

Klopp wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the second toll that is been constructed on the M50 at red cow exit? When driving NB you can see the work on-going when heading NB. I can't find information online about this or when it was agreed. The M50 is nightmare 24/7, this isn't going to ease the congestion.

Watch the N7 inbound back up from Long Mile Road so if they toll the M50 between Red Cow and Liffey Valley.

LiamaDelta

Klopp wrote:

Has anyone noticed the second toll that is been constructed on the M50 at red cow exit? When driving NB you can see the work on-going when heading NB. I can't find information online about this or when it was agreed. The M50 is nightmare 24/7, this isn't going to ease the congestion.

Are you sure it's not work for the variable speed limit?

pearcider

The m50 is a nightmare due to a lack of a comprehensive tram system, underground or even decent cycle paths. No investment in public transport due to, let's be honest, jealous culchies running the city have brought us to this.

the_syco

TII chief executive Michael Nolan last year told the Public Accounts Committee the "main solution" would be "demand management" in the form of multi-point tolling, where vehicles were charged across a number of locations.

Seems like they've copped that people will try to avoid the M50 toll section, they're now going to toll all sections, so people totally avoid the road!

Do motorists gain from this at all?

ScouseMouse

Surely this will just push people onto side roads. The m50 was meant to take them off the side roads. Fecking dopes

L1011

Whats being constructed now are variable speed limit signage. Multipoint tolling would probably require legislation. It'll also likely be similar to that used in Portugal on their PPP roads (that were free to users with the payments made by the state until their economy crashed) where each interjunction section costs about 20c, meaning short trips across the Westlink would be vastly cheaper.

bucketybuck

L1011 wrote: »

meaning short trips across the Westlink would be vastly cheaper.

Words cannot express how shocked I would be if the prices for any users actually decreased.

L1011

bucketybuck wrote: »

Words cannot express how shocked I would be if the prices for any users actually decreased.

There isn't a hope in hell they'd retain the 2.10 for crossing the Westlink in a multi-point situation for as long as the Taoiseach has to get re-elected by locals.

Tag or video reg will probably become compulsory to use the road at all also.

roadmaster

I believe these are the works being carried out on the M50

https://www.rod.ie/projects/enhancing-motorway-operation-services

marno21

There won't be any multipoint tolling until it's a last resort as it's a political decision.

The priority for TII is maintaining their asset. They don't care about side roads. If the M50 has peak time pricing the ambition will be to remove unnecessary journeys before the motorway becomes totally gridlocked

Pete_Cavan

There is already a thread on this, they should be merged;

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057840591/3/#post106182001

Again everyone is predicting doom without any knowledge of what form multi point tolling will take. The total cost of using the M50 with multi point tolling could be set at no more than the cost of the existing Westlink toll.

If drivers flee the M50 to avoid paying any tolls and the alternative routes become jammed, journey times on the M50 will plummet. Paying a Euro or two to use it will be great value and traffic will quickly migrate back to the M50. Only short hop journeys where you would only travel one or two junctions on the M50 would it make sense to use an alternative route when you weigh up cost v journey time. Removing that traffic would be of great benefit to the remaining users, worth paying a few quid for.

wexie

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Again everyone is predicting doom without any knowledge of what form multi point tolling will take. The total cost of using the M50 with multi point tolling could be set at no more than the cost of the existing Westlink toll.

You are absolutely right in saying that we don't know.

On the balance of probabilities though it's unlikely to get cheaper or even stay the same is it?

arleitiss

ScouseMouse wrote: »

Surely this will just push people onto side roads. The m50 was meant to take them off the side roads. Fecking dopes

Maybe if people knew how to use M50 - this would not be an issue.
Whenever I drive on M3 - People actually get into left lane if you're coming close to them and everything works fine.


M50 just carries bunch of inbreds from all over Dublin where 3rd lane will be going slower than 1st lane and 2nd lane will have speeding trucks and aggressive white vans.

wexie

arleitiss wrote: »

Maybe if people knew how to use M50 - this would not be an issue.
Whenever I drive on M3 - People actually get into left lane if you're coming close to them and everything works fine.


M50 just carries bunch of inbreds from all over Dublin where 3rd lane will be going slower than 1st lane and 2nd lane will have speeding trucks and aggressive white vans.

I swear I've been on the M50 at times and wondered is there some roadtax discount you can get for not using the left most lane

blackwhite

ScouseMouse wrote: »

Surely this will just push people onto side roads. The m50 was meant to take them off the side roads. Fecking dopes

The M50 wasn't intended for that - it's original intention was to allow people travelling across the country (i.e. Cork to Belfast, Wicklow to Navan, anywhere outside of Dublin to the airport, etc) avoid going into the city,

The fact that it quickly became a trunk route for local traffic around the city doesn't change what it's original purpose was.

serfboard

blackwhite wrote: »

The M50 wasn't intended for that - it's original intention was to allow people travelling across the country (i.e. Cork to Belfast, Wicklow to Navan, anywhere outside of Dublin to the airport, etc) avoid going into the city.

Indeed. Which is why it should only have had 6 junctions (at the M1/2/3/4/7/11). Instead it has 14!

blackwhite wrote: »

The fact that it quickly became a trunk route for local traffic around the city ...

... is due to the fact that there are far too many junctions on it.

blackwhite

serfboard wrote: »

Indeed. Which is why it should only have had 6 junctions (at the M1/2/3/4/7/11). Instead it has 14!

... is due to the fact that there are far too many junctions on it.

I’d add the N31 to that, but otherwise fully agree.

Somewhere along the line the purpose of the M50 was sidelined (I’d guess by political localism!) and what was built isn’t fit for its actual purpose

marno21

The N3-N7 section which was built first, and indeed the M1-N3 section is decent with well spaced junctions and no residential area junctions, all national roads bar Ballymun which was a dual carraigeway into the city centre.

It's south of the N7 junction that the mess begins with Ballymount, then all junctions bar J11 and J14 are with residential areas, bar J16 which could be justified for N11 access but the N11 can be accessed via J14 southbound and J17 northbound.

Sleeper12

This is for the new speed limits

Long term there could be as many as 10 tolling points on the m50 though. They want to stop people hoping on & off just going one or two stops.

petronius

I did think the m50 was to be complete ring road - with a southerly tunnel from the port to sandyford - but the citizens of Dublin 4 wouldn't have it

Sleeper12

petronius wrote:

I did think the m50 was to be complete ring road - with a southerly tunnel from the port to sandyford - but the citizens of Dublin 4 wouldn't have it

Nope. Remember this road was planned long before the job actually started. Tunnelling technology was far too expensive for us back then. There wasn't enen the channel tunnel back then.

It was to be a ring road alright but it was supposed to be a bridge. It was eventually knocked back because of the bird sanctuary in Booterstown believe it or not.

Chris_5339762

The land is still reserved for it though. It was never knocked back as far as I know, just not pursued yet.

marno21

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

The land is still reserved for it though. It was never knocked back as far as I know, just not pursued yet.

You can see the reservation on Google Satellite, the only part no longer there is the alignment used for the Drummartin Link Road

Sleeper12

Chris_5339762 wrote:

The land is still reserved for it though. It was never knocked back as far as I know, just not pursued yet.

I've never give up hope. I live Raheny /Killbarrack area. It's nuts that I drive all the way around Dublin to get to Bray. I can almost see it from my house!

Sam Russell

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've never give up hope. I live Raheny /Killbarrack area. It's nuts that I drive all the way around Dublin to get to Bray. I can almost see it from my house!

The DART goes from Raheny to Bray. Should be 50 mins, but there is a problem between Dalkey and Bray due to s signal fire. Fare is €4.75 (Leap). Should be quicker and cheaper than the M50.

Sleeper12

Sam Russell wrote:

The DART goes from Raheny to Bray. Should be 50 mins, but there is a problem between Dalkey and Bray due to s signal fire. Fare is €4.75 (Leap). Should be quicker and cheaper than the M50.

Sorry. I should have said. I'm in appliance repair so I drive. I'm also autistic & can't use public transport but that's a whole different story

jim salter

L1011 wrote: »

There isn't a hope in hell they'd retain the 2.10 for crossing the Westlink in a multi-point situation for as long as the Taoiseach has to get re-elected by locals.

Tag or video reg will probably become compulsory to use the road at all also.

https://m.herald.ie/news/varadkar-under-pressure-to-scrap-plan-for-more-m50-tolls-27990158.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/potential-new-m50-tolls-revealed-today-1.1417271?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/nra-proposes-additional-tolls-for-m50-1.1759590?mode=amp

http://www.thejournal.ie/m50-tolls-varadkar-938231-Jun2013/?amp=1

I guess we all know this has nothing to do with trying to deal with the congestion problem but to do with generating revenue. Leo dïckhead Varadkar (as far back as 2011) wad touting multi point tolling.

If the government wanted to (really) do something about the congestion, a proper infrastructure plan would be put in place and executed. Instead we are getting more building (welcome back the boom - yet another false economy created by keeping units off the market for prolonged periods of time to drive up demand & price) without proper infrastructure to facilitate it.

Well done...

Sleeper12

jim salter wrote:

I guess we all know this has nothing to do with trying to deal with the congestion problem but to do with generating revenue. Leo dïckhead Varadkar (as far back as 2011) wad touting multi point tolling.

Much as I hate paying tolls (about 130 per month for me) I welcome multi tolls. They need to discourage drivers using the m50 for short hops

Aontachtoir

jim salter;107069359

I guess we all know this has nothing to do with trying to deal with the congestion problem but to do with generating revenue. 

I don't think we know that at all, Jim. Multipoint tolling is a legitimate way to discourage unnecessary use of the M50. If it brings in cash for infrastructure, all the better.