Scottish Parliament rejects Brexit

wexie · 16-05-2018 2:05pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Correct, Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom. It's not a "country" in the same way NI is not a "country", or Wales/England.

The United Kingdom is the country.

Actually incorrect...

Scotland (as is Wales AND Northern Ireland) is indeed a country....

A country which is part of the sovereign nation of the United Kingdom...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/01/the-difference-between-the-uk-england-and-great-britain/

https://www.google.ie/search?q=which+countries+constitute+the+united+kingdom&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE787IE787&oq=which+countries+constitue+the+unit&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.9679j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom

ArmaniJeanss · 16-05-2018 2:06pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Scotland is a part of the united kingdom.

The united Kingdom voted as a whole to leave the e.u.

Unless Scotland becomes independent then they are stuck with brexit whether their parliament likes it or not

Well its symbolic.
They are effectively forcing Westminster for the first time in 19 years to officially overrule the devolved government in Edinburgh. Which they can legally do.

So it's only symbolic. But also pretty historic.

seamus · 16-05-2018 2:20pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Scotland is a part of the united kingdom.

The united Kingdom voted as a whole to leave the e.u.

Unless Scotland becomes independent then they are stuck with brexit whether their parliament likes it or not

They're stuck with it either way. Scotland cannot grandfather itself into the EU. So whether it leaves the UK or the UK leaves the EU, Scotland will have to leave the EU. This is why the first referendum was defeated.

As for why they voted to reject Brexit, parliaments and councils do this all the time with motions. It's effectively a statement; an official position on a topic, but that doesn't mean they can do anything about it.

Occasionally you'l hear odd things like, "Dublin City Council passes motion officially condemning Israeli attack on Gaza". Because the nature of these things is that anyone can propose any motion for everyone else to vote on.

In terms of Scotland, it's laying the groundwork for a Scottish exit from the UK. They can't block Brexit, but with an official declaration that Scotland doesn't want it, they can move forward to act against it.

the_syco · 16-05-2018 2:30pm

They could just leave the UK, and join Ireland, in the same way that Norn Iron is joined to england :pac:

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 2:40pm

the_syco wrote: »

They could just leave the UK, and join Ireland, in the same way that Norn Iron is joined to england :pac:

I'd take the Scots over the nordies any day, way more craic and way less issues about flegs and marches

the_syco · 16-05-2018 3:52pm

VinLieger wrote: »

I'd take the Scots over the nordies any day, way more craic and way less issues about flegs and marches

The humorous bit is that most of the fleg people ancestors would probably have been planted from Scotland, although their ancestors would have probably hated the english.

EdEd · 16-05-2018 4:01pm

myshirt wrote: »

Lads, if you look at the human element here, who would like to be Theresa May right now?

Christ on a bicycle, I feel for the woman. It's non stop.

Brexit means brexit she repeated non stop. She dug her own grave and I hope she made it comfy for herself.

seamus · 16-05-2018 4:03pm

the_syco wrote: »

The humorous bit is that most of the fleg people ancestors would probably have been planted from Scotland, although their ancestors would have probably hated the english.

You see, that's why the Scots hate the English. Because they took all the Britain-loving Scots and moved them to Northern Ireland.

I think a (figurative) swap would be fair game. Let NI stay with the union, the Scots can join us in the new country of Scotiéire. Border arrangements will be fun.

wexie · 16-05-2018 4:03pm

EdEd wrote: »

Brexit means brexit she repeated non stop. She dug her own grave and I hope she made it comfy for herself.

There's a saying in Dutch that translates into :

If you burn your ass you'll have to sit on the blisters...

Seems appropriate

16-05-2018 4:05pm

seamus wrote: »

You see, that's why the Scots hate the English

The Scots hate everyone.

Quazzie · 16-05-2018 4:06pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They are 'Brits'.

We're all Brits

wexie · 16-05-2018 4:07pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We're all Brits

oh boy....somebody better put the pint glasses and sharp objects away.

Maybe the blunt ones as well.

Quazzie · 16-05-2018 4:22pm

wexie wrote: »

oh boy....somebody better put the pint glasses and sharp objects away.

Maybe the blunt ones as well.

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

wexie · 16-05-2018 4:24pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

I guess that is true enough.

Even so perhaps it's an opinion you should keep to yourself when out in public.
(although I couldn't care less, oddly enough there are many who do)

Avatar MIA · 16-05-2018 4:44pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

What's this British Isles that you speak of? Is that Great Britain and the Isle of Man etc.

Shur, are Londoners Ionaish being from the Islands Of the North Atlantic ?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 16-05-2018 4:46pm

wexie wrote: »

Go find the nearest Scot to you, tell them that...

Report back here when you're out of A&E....

Why?

It's geographically correct.

Maybe the odd Celtic/Hibernian plastic paddy hooligan type might take issue with the fact but i'm pretty sure it's not going to upset the average scotsman to the point of violence.

I always find it weird how the Irish consider Britain to be England and nothing else.

16-05-2018 5:54pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

That's not the common usage of the term.

Ipso · 16-05-2018 5:56pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

And Britain borders the Irish sea which makes the Brits Irish!

donegal_man · 16-05-2018 6:04pm

I suppose one could argue the English are the only people who aren't British as the name relates to the Pretani. The "painted people" who inhabited these islands before the coming of the Romans while English refers the later Angles, Saxons etc.

Ipso · 16-05-2018 6:35pm

donegal_man wrote: »

I suppose one could argue the English are the only people who aren't British as the name relates to the Pretani. The "painted people" who inhabited these islands before the coming of the Romans while English refers the later Angles, Saxons etc.

But Cumbria, Cornwall, Devon etc and interbreeding

dr.fuzzenstein · 16-05-2018 8:41pm

Aegir wrote: »

The Scots hate everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lYXaVkA0U

tayto lover · 16-05-2018 8:50pm

wexie wrote: »

Go find the nearest Scot to you, tell them that...

Report back here when you're out of A&E....

They had their chance for independence and refused it.

BalcombeSt4 · 16-05-2018 9:04pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/15/scottish-parliament-decisively-reject-eu-withdrawal-bill-brexit

Well this has just turned interesting.
Well done Scotland. Well deserved kick against the shin to the Brexiteers

This is why the UK should break up.
The idea of the UK is formed from 18th century imperialism.

Republics are built on ideas from 18th century enlightenment

Dempsey · 16-05-2018 9:16pm

The Scots voted against deciding their own future then immediately regret their lack of backbone.

I doubt another independence vote would pass despite all that has happened. Unionism is stronger in Scotland than people here think

prinzeugen · 16-05-2018 9:20pm

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

This is why the UK should break up.
The idea of the UK is formed from 18th century imperialism.

Republics are built on ideas from 18th century enlightenment

It was Scotland's failed attempts at imperialism that got them into a union with England in the first place.

This vote is just another pathetic attempt by Sturgeon to make her feel important.

Nothing will come of it.

16-05-2018 9:24pm

Quazzie wrote: »

We all live on the British Isles and are therefore all Brits.

More of this delusional shíte. The more power the Brits lose the more they dreg up their jingoistic terminology like this and get upset when the natives refuse to be claimed by them. Watch this space as the British plebs get more Europhobic and dream of spreading their state to cover all of Ireland again as a reaction to the turmoil of post-Brexit England, shi teíng on about how their native Irish victims suddenly have a "shared history" with their British colonial subjugators.

Long live the EU.

prinzeugen · 16-05-2018 9:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

More of this delusional shíte. The more power the Brits lose the more they dreg up their jingoistic terminology like this and get upset when the natives refuse to be claimed by them. Watch this space as the British plebs get more Europhobic and dream of spreading their state to cover all of Ireland again as a reaction to the turmoil of post-Brexit England, shi teíng on about how their native Irish victims suddenly have a "shared history" with their British colonial subjugators.

Long live the EU.

Is it just the British you have a problem with?

No issues with that brutal imperial power and EU member that is France?

The country that refuses to give up its past just like Britain?

You have no issues with France insisting on having its overseas colonies in the pacific and North America on € banknotes? (Yes they are there)

wpd · 16-05-2018 9:50pm

Scotland had their chance
will be in great brit union and outside eu

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-05-2018 5:37pm

wpd wrote: »

Scotland had their chance
will be in great brit union and outside eu

Especially the Irish should know that referenda can be run more than once...

Billy86 · 17-05-2018 5:43pm

Dempsey wrote: »

The Scots voted against deciding their own future then immediately regret their lack of backbone.

Another fine thing to thank that older generation for.

Scottish Parliament rejects Brexit

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