How illegal is mace

Conservatory

I know of a fella who got a tin of mace for his wife because he lives near a killer.
So he says anyway.
What would happen her if she got caught with it?

Outlaw Pete

Once they pay their taxes, I think they're grand.

I got a dodgy roll in the deli there a few weeks ago..seemed like something was off there alright..

Conservatory

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Once they pay their taxes, I think they're grand.

Legal advice from outlaw Pete would be a great name for an album.

wexie

Conservatory wrote: »

What would happen her if she got caught with it?

By who? the killer or the gards?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Conservatory wrote: »

I know of a fella who got a tin of mace for his wife because he lives near a killer.
So he says anyway.
What would happen her if she got caught with it?

Hi again...

As a spray it is illegal under the Firearms Act with up to five years in prison for possession, although it's usually a fine.

As a spice it's great with Sea Bass

Conservatory

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I got a dodgy roll in the deli there a few weeks ago..seemed like something was off there alright..

You think it had a can of mace in it?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Conservatory wrote: »

You think it had a can of mace in it?

No, the deli was in Mace.:rolleyes:

Conservatory

Romina Brave Hockey wrote: »

No, the deli was in Mace.:rolleyes:

Must have been a big can to fit a whole deli in it.
The police would spot that a mile away.

Outlaw Pete

Article on it......

Protecting yourself with pepper spray is illegal and that's not changing

Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald confirmed last week that there are no plans to allow members of the public use pepper spray for personal protection.

Pepper spray is banned under the 1925 Firearms Act which prohibits the manufacture, possession or sale of “weapons discharging noxious liquids”.

Conviction for carrying pepper spray is considered a misdemeanour offence and could lead to five years in prison but a fine is the much more likely sentence.

Labour TD Derek Nolan asked the Justice Minister in the Dáil last week were there any plans to change the law to allow members of the public the use of pepper spray for civil protection.

But the Justice Minister shot down the suggestion, referring to 2009 garda guidelines which states that people cannot be granted a firearms licence for personal protection.

“The protection of life and property is a function of the Garda Síochána and civilians are only entitled to use reasonable force to protect themselves and their property,” the minister said. “The combined effect of this means that there is no justification for seeking to possess a firearm for purposes of personal protection or protection of property.

“As personal protection is the only reason for a person to acquire pepper spray, it follows that a firearm certificate is unlikely to be granted for pepper spray.”

“I do not envisage amending the legislation to permit the use of pepper spray for civil protection,” she added.

buried

Those f**king TV adverts of theirs should be illegal. Cartoon Smiley faced bopping fat bastard dancing to buying a coffee. Every time I see them I want to put both my feet thru the screen

tawnyowl

Conservatory wrote: »

I know of a fella who got a tin of mace for his wife because he lives near a killer.
So he says anyway.
What would happen her if she got caught with it?

Looks like it's prohibited under the Firearms Act http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1925/act/17/enacted/en/print#sec1

the expression “prohibited weapon” means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon as aforesaid or for any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing;

mloc123

Prices are higher than larger supermarkets, not criminal tho

Conservatory

But surely if you explained a rapey murderer was living on the road they’d look the other way.

Captain Obvious

It's classed as a firearm. Be in pretty big trouble if caught with it. At least 1 week suspended.

punisher5112

Mace will mace you good....


A baseball bat with a nail or Lucille with her barbed wire wrapped around the bat much better....

Eire Go Brach

Who is the killer out of curiosity?

wexie

punisher5112 wrote: »

A baseball bat with a nail or Lucille with her barbed wire wrapped around the bat much better....

Cause they're totally legal....

Conservatory

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It's classed as a firearm. Be in pretty big trouble if caught with it. At least 1 week suspended.

Maybe he should give her a pad saw and she can then tell the guards she is On her way to cut some plasterboard.

wexie

Conservatory wrote: »

Maybe he should give her a pad saw and she can then tell the guards she is On her way to cut some plasterboard.

This is what he should get her, if he finds one will ya let us know where?

Joeseph Balls

I eh, had a can off it. Decided to spray it one day for the lols.
In my sitting room.
No one loled:(

Tell your friends wife not to do that.

Discodog

Mace ? So tame :pac:

wexie

Discodog wrote: »

Mace ? So tame :pac:

What the hell is that? Combination lightsaber/plasma torch?

Conservatory

I’d say it’s likely somebody will form a mob to run him out of the place. When it was rumored a certain Murphy lad was there a mob formed and a house searched. He wasn’t even there.

This fella is being reported in the papers in there and has been seen regularly in the local shopping center.

I’m a bit not bothered there’s rapers and murderers every area but a newspaper rapey murderer always brings hysteria. I’ll probably join the mob in a spectator sort of way though. Just to see what’s happening.

Discodog

wexie wrote: »

What the hell is that? Combination lightsaber/plasma torch?

It's actually described as an anti pervert flamethrower :pac:

Discodog

Joking aside one of the weed burning blowtorches from Lidl/Aldi is a great personal protection weapon for the home.

You have a legitimate use - it's great for lighting fires.

Turned upside down it will produce a long bright flame

And no scumbag will be able to get hold of it - red hot.

studdlymurphy

I think its only a little bit illegal.....

Conservatory

It’s now got me thinking.
If kids in school are getting lessons on how not to rape why aren’t rapey murderers?
Surely these are the people that need to be told not to do the old raping.
Maybe if this guy just spent an hour getting told about consent we could sort everything out. Well apart from the murdering that would probably need another lesson on how not to be a murderer

Funnily enough I joined this website to get advice on insulating my conservatory. Nobody replied but I ended up ending rape and murder as long as we have classrooms.

Conservatory

Discodog wrote: »

Joking aside one of the weed burning blowtorches from Lidl/Aldi is a great personal protection weapon for the home.

You have a legitimate use - it's great for lighting fires.

Turned upside down it will produce a long bright flame

And no scumbag will be able to get hold of it - red hot.

Bit clunky and hard to get out of the handbag. I’d hate the raper to get his hands on it and use it against me.

Car99

It's not illegal to race mice

Conservatory

Car99 wrote: »

It's not illegal to race mice

We can give them little bicycles.

iamtony

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Who is the killer out of curiosity?

I'm gona guess this guy.Check out @sundayworld’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/sundayworld/status/995433388520681472?s=09 Has been seen around coolock and people are saying he is in the pace unit called priorswood House. Not Confirmed where he is but the Sunday world say a North Dublin institute.

Conservatory

iamtony wrote: »

I'm gona guess this guy. Has been seen around coolock and people are saying he is in the pace unit called priorswood House. Not Confirmed where he is but the Sunday world say a North Dublin institute.

Jesus man now the police will be searching every woman’s handbag in coolock.

2Mad2BeMad

My da is a taxi man, he has a can of mace for protection and has used it twice since ever getting it. (Over 15 years)

Now for my da he would only use it unless he felt his life was in serious danger (crowd of youths tried robbing his car, one with a knife and another yob who had muscles on muscles choking his neck from behind because he was high on coke and took my da up wrong on something)
While I trust my da to use it, regardless of the law id rather he had it to keep him safe.
I think the law is right not to allow any citizen to have it on them. I could see it been used on petty things, like when people are having an argument in public. or been used in a busy club when some bright fuker has a great idea and sprays it once in the air.

Like I said I'd trust my da to have it, but if hes caught with it, he knows the penalties. But I could see it been wrongly used more times then right. There is just to many ejits out there that would ruin it for the people that would use it for serious life threatening situations only.

Samuel T. Cogley

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

buried

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Amen

AllForIt

I love the thread title , 'how illegal...'. Well, it's quite illegal, 35% illegal, somewhat illegal, partially illegal, more or less illegal....

Conservatory

AllForIt wrote: »

I love the thread title , 'how illegal...'. Well, it's quite illegal, 35% illegal, somewhat illegal, partially illegal, more or less illegal....

I’ve always been a bit of a renegade. Nct is only kind of illegal. I wouldn’t be pushed to take a day off work to get one. Rape and murder is very illegal. Suppose it’s a moral issue rather than a black and white issue.
What would the punishment really be and is it worth taking the risk in the event a rapist gets you before the police.
I doubt a woman being attacked has ever said “well at least I didn’t get a 500 euro fine for being caught with mace”

Maybe wealthy people flout laws a bit more because they can afford the fines so their idea of how illegal something is changes to whether they have had a good week or not.

Hammer89

Deleted User wrote: »

I got a dodgy roll in the deli there a few weeks ago..seemed like something was off there alright..

Must not have been made by a man.

Atoms for Peace

It's not illegal to have pepper spray for culinary use.

Glass fused light

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

It's not illegal to have pepper spray for culinary use.

If the wife is packing salt, and a nice steak in her handbag, she could throw in the steak knife too;)

Gravelly

If the wife of this "man you know" is attacked and uses the mace, do you think it would matter whether or not it is illegal?
If she was, for some reason, stopped and searched by the Gardaí (and unless she is or looks like a drug dealer, why would she be?), and she said "oh that? shure I was attacked by a dog a few months ago, and am terrified by them since, that's why I have that" do you think she'd get in a lot of trouble?

I know a fella that carries a fairly substantial knife about with him. If and when he has to account for it, he will tell the questioner the truth - he once had to cut down a man that had hung himself, and if he ever has to do so again, he doesn't want to have to root through a strangers kitchen in the dark looking for a knife to do so.

Context is everything.

Glass fused light

Gravelly wrote: »

If the wife of this "man you know" is attacked and uses the mace, do you think it would matter whether or not it is illegal?
If she was, for some reason, stopped and searched by the Gardaí (and unless she is or looks like a drug dealer, why would she be?), and she said "oh that? shure I was attacked by a dog a few months ago, and am terrified by them since, that's why I have that" do you think she'd get in a lot of trouble?

I know a fella that carries a fairly substantial knife about with him. If and when he has to account for it, he will tell the questioner the truth - he once had to cut down a man that had hung himself, and if he ever has to do so again, he doesn't want to have to root through a strangers kitchen in the dark looking for a knife to do so.

Context is everything.

Yes she will. You can't legally get mace in this country so it was illegally imported. She can be as frightened as she wants of dogs, cats or bears attacks, but she would be as well off arguing why she has a sawn-off shotgun in her bag.

Cookie_Monster

A firearm, what?

Pepper spray is banned under the 1925 Firearms Act which prohibits the manufacture, possession or sale of “weapons discharging noxious liquids”.

How is mace a firearm but deodorant is fine?

Manic Moran

OK, so the government's argument is that it's illegal because it's defined as illegal in the law.

Fantastic, I'm sure folks all over Ireland are ecstatic. Isn't the purpose of asking the question to prompt a re-evaluation of it?

punisher5112

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

A firearm, what?


How is mace a firearm but deodorant is fine?

It's in the same class for law.

It wouldn't be a good idea for ordinary folk to have access but security, ambulance, fire could definitely do with it. Obviously Garda do have gas so they are covered but they need to move with the times and need tazers.

Glass fused light

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

A firearm, what?


How is mace a firearm but deodorant is fine?

Apparently deodorant is being used to self harm the joys of the Internet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_burn

Anyway with the mace
Close kitchen doors and windows.
Take out your frying pan.
place on medium heat on your cooker.
grind pepper mill over pan until it is lightly covered with ground pepper
take a seat at kitchen table, and watch the smoke rise from the pan...

Edit don't do this right now if it will set off your fire alarm

vladmydad

Just get one and carry it in her bag. Should she ever use it on a scumbag , just say he had it and she got hold of it and sprayed him

Conservatory

vladmydad wrote: »

Just get one and carry it in her bag. Should she ever use it on a scumbag , just say he had it and she got hold of it and sprayed him

That may lead the attacker to then say you were the attacker. He tried to use his mace but you took it off him and beat him with it.

vladmydad

But it’s for OP’s wife , so they’d hardly believe some women went and attacked a guy with mase

corner of hells

Gravelly wrote: »

If the wife of this "man you know" is attacked and uses the mace, do you think it would matter whether or not it is illegal?
If she was, for some reason, stopped and searched by the Gardaí (and unless she is or looks like a drug dealer, why would she be?), and she said "oh that? shure I was attacked by a dog a few months ago, and am terrified by them since, that's why I have that" do you think she'd get in a lot of trouble?

I know a fella that carries a fairly substantial knife about with him. If and when he has to account for it, he will tell the questioner the truth - he once had to cut down a man that had hung himself, and if he ever has to do so again, he doesn't want to have to root through a strangers kitchen in the dark looking for a knife to do so.

Context is everything.

Hopefully he finds a sympathetic Garda because it's possible to purpose designed knives nowadays for ligatures.
Paramedics, firemen , Gardai are starting to carry them