RTE Two +1 under consideration

icdg

Story from today’s Irish Times:


http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rté-plans-plus-one-channel-for-rté2-1.3485996?mode=amp

Conventional wisdom was that the rights for a +1 of RTE Two would be harder to clear than RTE One, but a welcome development if it comes to pass.

ButtersSuki

icdg wrote: »

Story from today’s Irish Times:


http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rté-plans-plus-one-channel-for-rté2-1.3485996?mode=amp

Conventional wisdom was that the rights for a +1 of RTE Two would be harder to clear than RTE One, but a welcome development if it comes to pass.

Great! Now you’ll just have to wait an hour to watch a repeat of a repeat.....

icdg

There’s one repeat in tonight’s entire evening schedule.

ButtersSuki

icdg wrote: »

There’s one repeat in tonight’s entire evening schedule.

In fairness, it’s not a regular viewing night as it’s a BH Monday. Normally there are a lot of repeats on - or shows that have recently or long since been shown on other free to air channels.

icdg

icdg wrote: »

Story from today’s Irish Times:


http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rté-plans-plus-one-channel-for-rté2-1.3485996?mode=amp

Conventional wisdom was that the rights for a +1 of RTE Two would be harder to clear than RTE One, but a welcome development if it comes to pass.

If it goes ahead it would want to be 24/7 and hopefully not like the current RTE 1+1 which finishes off at around 1am every morning. Originally that was due to sharing a mux but now is no longer the case I believe.

lgs 4

If RTE 2+1 goes ahead, it,s not worth having, if it's not in HD. Otherwise go back to the original proposal that RTE had for RTE 3 HD.

stephend2000

The fact that RTÉ One +1 isn’t 24/7 is pathetic and Two +1 shouldn’t even be considered without upgrading One +1

JDxtra

Agree. +1 channels need to be 24 hours and free from blackouts (not available on +1 blah blah).

twinklerunner

lgs 4 wrote: »

If RTE 2+1 goes ahead, it,s not worth having, if it's not in HD. Otherwise go back to the original proposal that RTE had for RTE 3 HD.

I can’t think of any +1 channels in HD?

sonofenoch

Doesn't RTE + 1 stop at about 1am? what's the point

brick man

sonofenoch wrote:

Doesn't RTE + 1 stop at about 1am? what's the point

I notice at weekend's it's on air till 6am now

Harry Palmr

Meanwhile the Virgin channels continue in ****-o-vision. That's what the regulator needs to deal with first not a +1 channel.

Delta2113

Not a fan of +1 channels at all. Get ads on RTE News Now and improve it or even a joint news channel with tv3. Time for radical thinking.

fritzelly

So a company that is crying out for more money is spending money on a +1 channel for a few thousand extra viewers - still got more money than sense they have.

Rick_

twinklerunner wrote: »

I can’t think of any +1 channels in HD?

Channel 4+1 HD is the only one I think, and that is only available on DTT.

PacMan

I like the idea of a joint news channel.
Drop the RTE name and have it "News Now".
Tonight with Ivan Yates and Matt Cooper, Pat kenny and the news from TV3 in addition to the RTE news and current affairs shows.
Agreed that RTE2+1 would be a total waste of space.

ShaneOC

In my opinion RTÉ would be wiser to forget about RTÉ2 +1, consider scrapping RTÉ 1 +1 and introducing RTÉ 3 HD instead. They already have rights for a lot of programs that get shown at really weird hours. Moving these to prime time would attract many more viewers than a +1 channel.

Elmo

ShaneOC wrote: »

In my opinion RTÉ would be wiser to forget about RTÉ2 +1, consider scrapping RTÉ 1 +1 and introducing RTÉ 3 HD instead. They already have rights for a lot of programs that get shown at really weird hours. Moving these to prime time would attract many more viewers than a +1 channel.

They are dropping RTÉ News Now, I'd say RTÉ ONE +1 will go out for 24 hours while RTÉ2 +1 will replace RTÉ News Now. RTÉ are being ultra secretive about the move IMO.

political analyst

Elmo wrote: »

They are dropping RTÉ News Now, I'd say RTÉ ONE +1 will go out for 24 hours while RTÉ2 +1 will replace RTÉ News Now. RTÉ are being ultra secretive about the move IMO.

Wouldn't that need ministerial approval? Why won't RTÉ make Euronews available 24/7 instead?

Harry Palmr

Why would they do that? The audience for that which is not also using SKY/Virgin/Freesat/Generic Sat box must be countable on two hands.

political analyst

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Why would they do that? The audience for that which is not also using SKY/Virgin/Freesat/Generic Sat box must be countable on two hands.

It wouldn't cost much. Surely, it would be better to make Euronews available 24/7 on Saorview than have another timeshift channel.

For example, if News Now had already been axed, terrestrial viewers in the Republic wouldn't be able to watch Trump's announcement on the Iran nuclear deal.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

It wouldn't cost much. Surely, it would be better to make Euronews available 24/7 on Saorview than have another timeshift channel.

For example, if News Now had already been axed, terrestrial viewers in the Republic wouldn't be able to watch Trump's announcement on the Iran nuclear deal.

It was on be3.

RTÉ 2+1 needs approval from minister.

political analyst

Elmo wrote: »

It was on be3.

RTÉ 2+1 needs approval from minister.

But so would the axing of News Now, right?!

Billy86

You know what would be nicer that being able to watch repeats of repeats that you could have set to record if you had much of any intention of watching them other than when just flicking through the channels? Putting Irish taxpayers money to good use by actually funding the Irish TV and film industry by... OK wait for it because this idea is going to sound f***ing crazy... but by making more of our own domestic shows rather than just flushing it right out of the country to foreign distributors of British soaps and American sitcoms that to begin with are available both on other channels and these days typically online also.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

But so would the axing of News Now, right?!

Yes it's one big proposal.

vicwatson

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Great! Now you’ll just have to wait an hour to watch a repeat of a repeat.....

And from 19.00 hours only too

Delta2113

Elmo wrote: »

It was on be3.

RTÉ 2+1 needs approval from minister.

On be3 purely because of the timing only.

Elmo

Delta2113 wrote: »

On be3 purely because of the timing only.

TBH I was surprised as I was sure that news was prerecorded.

mackersdublin

twinklerunner wrote: »

I can’t think of any +1 channels in HD?

Channel 4 +1 HD is available in the UK on Freeview channel 109

Elmo

Just as a side note, found out that no proposal has gone to the minister. So the idea that RTÉ NEWS NOW is going and the RTÉ2 +1 is taking its place won't be happening soon. Department is slow, BAI are slow and RTÉ haven't even set the train in motion. How long did it take for the to get approval for OTV on Saorview?

political analyst

Elmo wrote: »

Just as a side note, found out that no proposal has gone to the minister. So the idea that RTÉ NEWS NOW is going and the RTÉ2 +1 is taking its place won't be happening soon. Department is slow, BAI are slow and RTÉ haven't even set the train in motion. How long did it take for the to get approval for OTV on Saorview?

Presumably, RTÉ knows that axing News Now would be political suicide because it would undermine its own mission as the main national PSB.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

Presumably, RTÉ knows that axing News Now would be political suicide because it would undermine its own mission as the main national PSB.

No it's the fact that RTÉ haven't learnt that it takes at least 3 years to get a minister to make a decision. It's unlikely that the current minister will make this decision even if he lasts a full term. They do not care.

political analyst

RTÉ2+1 was an absurd idea. At least News Now has an overnight simulcast of Euronews so that those viewers who don't have satellite dishes, cable or terrestrial overspill from the UK still have access to rolling news on terrestrial TV.

fritzelly

Why are Saorview not trying to get other channels to broadcast on their medium instead of the same crap being repeated
I know the cost is exorbitant but is this just a case of RTE trying to control what is available in Ireland on terrestrial TV in the mistaken belief that people may find out there are far better channels out there?
I haven't kept up with the whole Saorview thingy but why is RTE even in control of it??? In the UK (Freeview) it's run by the all the main stations

lertsnim

fritzelly wrote: »

I know the cost is exorbitant but is this just a case of RTE trying to control what is available in Ireland on terrestrial TV in the mistaken belief that people may find out there are far better channels out there?
I haven't kept up with the whole Saorview thingy but why is RTE even in control of it???

With regards to foreign channels joining you have answered your own question. It is very expensive. The more channels that join the cheaper it would be for all. But the problem is getting one to start to get the ball rolling. There are plenty of UK channels with Irish advertising who I am sure would love to be there.

RTÉ are well aware of people watching UK channels. Saorview Connect boxes even have a satellite input for FTA channels from the UK.

Why do RTÉ control it? They paid for it. You had no chance of TV3 or TG4 stumping up for it.

The Cush

fritzelly wrote: »

Why are Saorview not trying to get other channels to broadcast on their medium instead of the same crap being repeated

I know the cost is exorbitant but is this just a case of RTE trying to control what is available in Ireland on terrestrial TV in the mistaken belief that people may find out there are far better channels out there?

The BAI have statutory responsibility for the awarding of contracts for spare capacity on Saorview. They sought expressions of interest previously but that came to nought.

Just another expense for channels that are already available across other platforms.

fritzelly wrote: »

I haven't kept up with the whole Saorview thingy but why is RTE even in control of it??? In the UK (Freeview) it's run by the all the main stations

Last man standing so to speak, the Broadcasting Act allocates 1 multiplex to RTÉ with the others awarded to a commercial contractor by the BAI but remember back to 2008-2010 all commercial bidders withdrew leaving RTÉ with the cost of rolling out the network at its own expense. The commercial multiplex contractor was to be the "digital champion" responsible for rolling out, promotion and content on the new DTT platform, out of the ruins came Saorview.

Work undertaken by the BAI on DTT to-date revealed that market conditions would not support the launch of commercial DTT services. This work involved a number of independent reviews of the marketplace and the Mediatique research report of December 2017 supports these views.

In this context, the BAI commits to its current approach to DTT, that of commissioning an independent review approximately every three years to ascertain the capacity of the market place, including the identification of potential applicants.

Source: BAI (April2018)