Teenager found guilt of hate crime for......

Pepefrogok

Posting snoop lyrics on Instagram as tribute to friend who died in car crash! Basically down to using the word "******", no allowance for context, and of course she only received this sentence due to the colour of her skin and perceived privilege or else jayz would have been arrested for saying it at Glastonbury, I remember when some liberals were pushing for tougher regulation on "hate speech" batting away concerns that it would lead to this Orwellian nightmare! Anyone who formally supported these laws now regretting it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

A teenager who posted rap lyrics which included racist language on Instagram has been found guilty of sending a grossly offensive message.

mad muffin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Pepefrogok

Really? Haha to a girl who posted lyrics from a song she liked as tribute to a friend who died being dragged through the courts She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. The victim surcharge is for the police woman who felt hurt at having to read it. To me this is very dangerous.

Red_Wake

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Really? Haha to a girl who posted lyrics from a song she liked as tribute to a friend who died being dragged through the courts She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. The victim surcharge is for the police woman who felt hurt at having to read it. To me this is very dangerous.

Sounds like she's in the wrong job tbh.

doolox

See Chris Rock on when a white man can say.....you know what.

Reminds me of the farcical ballad "Whatever you say say nothing".

Courts waste their time on this nonsense and real criminals, who know the law better than any lawyer because their freedom depends on it. walk free.

What are the chances of this person getting employment and retaining it with a criminal record for race hatred.

Probably on the dole for a long time until this dies down.

Grayson

Weird story. I'd like to know what the law is. It should be illegal to spout racist abuse at someone but this doesn't seem to be like that. I wonder is the law badly phrased or was it the judge? Or is there some circumstance we're not being told about that makes a difference.

Gravelly

Pepefrogok wrote: »

The victim surcharge is for the police woman who felt hurt at having to read it.

What the absolute fûck?

silverharp

at this rate its going to be a hate crime to say you have read Tom Sawyer, the UK legal system is going to pot

The Backwards Man

At last, a genuine case of PC went mad!


Although anyone posting rap lyrics as a tribute should get a good hard slap.

wexie

So then.....are all Snoop records going to be banned from record shops (do record shops still exist?) and Itunes and the like?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Red_Wake wrote: »

Sounds like she's in the wrong job tbh.

I’d say she’s in the right job. Nice little earner there.

silverharp

wexie wrote: »

So then.....are all Snoop records going to be banned from record shops (do record shops still exist?) and Itunes and the like?

I think Snoop and Snap dogggg are 2 different rappers

Grayson

doolox wrote: »

See Chris Rock on when a white man can say.....you know what.
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N1gger?

You can say it in an academic or abstract manner, you just can't ever direct it at someone.

It's a weird word. I completely understand why it's so hated. There's few words that are so wrapped up in hatred and abuse.

But I don't like a word having that much power. It's a bad word. It shouldn't be used in it's intended way but we shouldn't be afraid to utter syllables.

Grayson

silverharp wrote: »

I think Snoop and Snap dogggg are 2 different rappers

lol. I was wondering if it was a typo and then figured some guy stole half a name from snoop.

I, btw, in case people haven't noticed, know absolutely fcuk all about rap or R&B.

razorblunt

Just when the UK Grime music scene was making a resurgence.

Subcomandante Marcos

That's absolutely insane.

razorblunt

Grayson wrote: »

N1gger?

You can say it in an academic or abstract manner, you just can't ever direct it at someone.

It's a weird word. I completely understand why it's so hated. There's few words that are so wrapped up in hatred and abuse.

But I don't like a word having that much power. It's a bad word. It shouldn't be used in it';s intended way but we shouldn't be afraid to utter syllables.

oh ... nAgggers ... nAggers.

wexie

silverharp wrote: »

I think Snoop and Snap dogggg are 2 different rappers

oh....eh....right

(I saw snoop in the OP and completely misread it in the article)

Clearly my finger is firmly on the pulse of what's cool and hip these days

silverharp

Grayson wrote: »

lol. I was wondering if it was a typo and then figured some guy stole half a name from snoop.

I, btw, in case people haven't noticed, know absolutely fcuk all about rap or R&B.

don't worry, when I read Snap in the BBC article I thought it was a typo until I googled it

Gravelly

Imagine being in a situation where your life was in danger - say you woke up at 4am, hearing noises downstairs, and you sneak to the top of the stairs and see two large gentlemen, one armed with a sawn-off shotgun, and one armed with a machete. They are about to come upstairs, and you have kids. You manage to get to the phone to call the police, and they tell you they will have someone there in a few minutes.
Then it turns out the person they send is this policewoman, this policewoman who was so hurt by reading a word, a word that features in every second song on the radio these days, and is uttered in half the Hollywood films produced, and she is to be your saviour. Imagine the terror she would feel at having to confront somebody, especially two somebodies who are armed. Imagine the absolute fücking uselessness of hiring her as a policewoman. Imagine the burning, murderous rage you would feel against every fücking liberal snowflake twat that has brought society to the point where such a person is facilitated to remain in a job, not to mention a job where she is risking people's lives with her uselessness.
And next time someone defends PC bullshït with the old line "why does it bother you, it doesn't hurt anybody" remember that someday it may hurt you or your loved ones.

jimgoose

Kirk Lazarus was right - never, ever, go Full Retard.

The important thing to remember is that posting rap lyrics on instagram is a far more heinous crime than child rape gangs

Boom_Bap

SNAP Dogg! The lyrics are pretty hardcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SY2leI3i8o

jimgoose

bluewolf wrote: »

The important thing to remember is that posting rap lyrics on instagram is a far more heinous crime than child rape gangs

I think we've all learned something today. :pac:

fancy pigeon

Red_Wake wrote: »

Sounds like she's in the wrong job tbh.

They wouldn't want to watch Blazing Saddles or Love thy Neighbour then...

bodice ripper

Hip hop has really gone to ****e

major bill

The Police woman quoted in Article. Bit of context that explains her stance (Still think this is barking mad though). Joey Barton the footballer, his brother one of the killers!!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/anthony-walkers-sister-dominique-aims-3341428

Pat Mustard

It's not just PC gone mad, it's lawmaking gone mad.

The UK law on this appears to be basically:
“a person is guilty of an offence (a) if he sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character” (i.e. otherwise than by means of a programme service)."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

So, under UK law, if you post something on facebook that is of an indecent, obscene or menacing character, otherwise than by means of a programme service, then you are guilty of an offence.

So Game of Thrones is okay when Sky broadcasts it but post up "indecent" or "obscene" clips/memes from it on facebook and possibly risk prosecution. Sounds ridiculous but then again, somebody just got done for posting Snoop Dogg lyrics.

Ireland is no stranger to stupid laws either. See the Irish Blasphemy law.

wexie

Pat Mustard wrote: »

The UK law on this appears to be basically:
“a person is guilty of an offence (a) if he sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character” (i.e. otherwise than by means of a programme service)."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

....and here was me thinking there's no such thing as the right not be offended :eek:

Cee-Jay-Cee

Gravelly wrote: »

Imagine being in a situation where your life was in danger - say you woke up at 4am, hearing noises downstairs, and you sneak to the top of the stairs and see two large gentlemen, one armed with a sawn-off shotgun, and one armed with a machete. They are about to come upstairs, and you have kids. You manage to get to the phone to call the police, and they tell you they will have someone there in a few minutes.
Then it turns out the person they send is this policewoman, this policewoman who was so hurt by reading a word, a word that features in every second song on the radio these days, and is uttered in half the Hollywood films produced, and she is to be your saviour. Imagine the terror she would feel at having to confront somebody, especially two somebodies who are armed. Imagine the absolute fücking uselessness of hiring her as a policewoman. Imagine the burning, murderous rage you would feel against every fücking liberal snowflake twat that has brought society to the point where such a person is facilitated to remain in a job, not to mention a job where she is risking people's lives with her uselessness.
And next time someone defends PC bullshwith the old line "why does it bother you, it doesn't hurt anybody" remember that someday it may hurt you or your loved ones.

The police officer, PC Dominique Walker is a sister of school-boy Anthony Walker who was murdered in Liverpool 7 years ago. She joined the police to make a difference and is in the Hate Crime Unit so I'd say its safe to say that she will never be attending burglary calls or any other police work for that matter as she has a cushy number in that unit. I hope she's real proud of herself, she has successfully prosecuted a teenager for posting bloody song lyrics. What a fuggin joke!!

riffmongous

Gravelly wrote: »

Imagine being in a situation where your life was in danger - say you woke up at 4am, hearing noises downstairs, and you sneak to the top of the stairs and see two large gentlemen, one armed with a sawn-off shotgun, and one armed with a machete. They are about to come upstairs, and you have kids. You manage to get to the phone to call the police, and they tell you they will have someone there in a few minutes.
Then it turns out the person they send is this policewoman, this policewoman who was so hurt by reading a word, a word that features in every second song on the radio these days, and is uttered in half the Hollywood films produced, and she is to be your saviour. Imagine the terror she would feel at having to confront somebody, especially two somebodies who are armed. Imagine the absolute fücking uselessness of hiring her as a policewoman. Imagine the burning, murderous rage you would feel against every fücking liberal snowflake twat that has brought society to the point where such a person is facilitated to remain in a job, not to mention a job where she is risking people's lives with her uselessness.
And next time someone defends PC bullshït with the old line "why does it bother you, it doesn't hurt anybody" remember that someday it may hurt you or your loved ones.

Cool story bro

MyStubbleItches

riffmongous wrote: »

Cool story bro

Cool attempt at trying to be cool long after that particular smart reply was slightly funny. Bro.

The poster you quoted is absolutely spot on with their post.

riffmongous

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Cool attempt at trying to be cool long after that particular smart reply was slightly funny. Bro.

The poster you quoted is absolutely spot on with their post.

Well it was easier than calling it fantasist bull****

dav3

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Cool attempt at trying to be cool long after that particular smart reply was slightly funny. Bro.

The poster you quoted is absolutely spot on with their post.

Cool post bro.

MyStubbleItches

riffmongous wrote: »

Well it was easier than calling it fantasist bull****

Not bothering would have been even easier.

Pepefrogok

See the usual posters adding nothing and trying to distract the conversation in the hopes of ultimately getting it shut down because their ideology of fascism is under the microscope.

riffmongous

Pepefrogok wrote: »

See the usual posters adding nothing and trying to distract the conversation in the hopes of ultimately getting it shut down because their ideology of fascism is under the microscope.

Versus the usual posters having their daily 'liberal outrage' thread

Sonics2k

Pepefrogok wrote: »

See the usual posters adding nothing and trying to distract the conversation in the hopes of ultimately getting it shut down because their ideology of fascism is under the microscope.

Are you sure it wasn't the Deep State?

Anyway, these laws aren't passed by liberal governments. The UK hasn't really had an actual liberal government since, well ever?

It was also passed under Blair, a man people can hardly claim was a liberal or PC enthusiast.

Oh, and as a liberal, this kid going to jail for this is literally a retarded move.

Pat Mustard

wexie wrote: »

....and here was me thinking there's no such thing as the right not be offended :eek:

It's Victorian era thinking.

StudentDad

Reading some of the threads on social media recently is making me wonder what form of expression or speech will be frowned upon next? 1984 perhaps?

Mutant z

Havnt the police got murderers and rapists to catch instead of wasting their time with this nonsense.

jimgoose

riffmongous wrote: »

Versus the usual posters having their daily 'liberal outrage' thread

Do you seriously think there is some merit in this affair?

riffmongous

jimgoose wrote: »

Do you seriously think there is some merit in this affair?

In people posting these threads every day? No merit at all

The OP itself, totally ridiculous. But can we not get an outrage quota for AH? These threads suck the life out of the place

jimgoose

riffmongous wrote: »

In people posting these threads every day? No merit at all

The OP itself, totally ridiculous. But can we not get an outrage quota for AH? These threads suck the life out of the place

You make fair point.

wexie

Mutant z wrote: »

Havnt the police got murderers and rapists to catch instead of wasting their time with this nonsense.

Yup, but this will fit in with the statistics on how they're doing everything they can to address hate crimes...

Gravelly

riffmongous wrote: »

Cool story bro

Good to see the mods avoid trying to raise the intellectual level of debate beyond idiotic one-liners.

BTW, ask a grownup to explain the difference between a story and a scenario. Might be enlightening.

Grayson

Gravelly wrote: »

Good to see the mods avoid trying to raise the intellectual level of debate beyond idiotic one-liners.

BTW, ask a grownup to explain the difference between a story and a scenario. Might be enlightening.

Maybe you should look at how utterly insane your post was.

Gravelly

Grayson wrote: »

Maybe you should look at how utterly insane your post was.

Maybe you should occasionally think about things rather than immediately leaping to the defence of whoever you think is on the same side as yourself.

Boom_Bap

Gravelly wrote: »

Good to see the mods avoid trying to raise the intellectual level of debate beyond idiotic one-liners.

BTW, ask a grownup to explain the difference between a story and a scenario. Might be enlightening.

Great scenario, hombre.

:pac::pac:

jimgoose

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Great scenario, hombre.

:pac::pac:

Superlative observation, my good man. :cool:

Boom_Bap

jimgoose wrote: »

Superlative observation, my good man. :cool:

Unparalleled consideration, amigo.