Is the new Feminist movement damaging male female relationships?

FixdePitchmark

Your in trouble when you say some of your best friends are women.

But is there a real risk that the "movement" at present, is very damaging to male female relationships ?

Some of my best friends are women - they work in a very male dominated area of science and technology. Yes that is wrong - but they are changing things one day at a time and doing the work of real change and influence.

Recently I've found some women talking to me in the context of the Belfast Rape trial - as if this should define my relationship with women. It is a bit odd.

I've had incredible professional relationships with women - due to my admiration at their problem solving - mathematically ability - abstract ability to solve problems.

But now - I'm told unless you are on board with the 8th and the the Belfast rape trail you have issues and sort of are against the movement. :eek:

It is dangerous times - and the progress that has been made in the last 40 years is being thrown away with the baby in the bath water.

Yer Da sells Avon

One could easily turn your question around and ask, "is the entitled attitude of some men towards women's bodies damaging their relationships with women?"

applehunter

I feel like I am in Moscow in 1990.

Canis Lupus

I haven't paid attention to any of it and seem to just get on with people but then I don't use twitter so I imagine I'm shielded from a lot of idiots.

Outlaw Pete

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

One could easily turn your question around and ask, "is the entitled attitude of some men towards women's bodies damaging their relationships with women?"

And what of the entitled attitude of some women towards men's bodies, Hapax?

Yer Da sells Avon

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

And what of the entitled attitude of some women towards men's bodies, Hapax?

Dunno about you, but if a female friend behaved like that, or condoned that kind of behaviour, it would be very damaging to our friendship.

l dont appoint myself anybodys moral guardian offline.

i dont tolerate anybody appointing themselves mine offline.

this kind of stuff rarely comes up offline and when it does the conversation is usually a lot milder, for obvious reasons.

if society is changing around us, sure, the internet will be an input into that. but if it weren't that, it'd be something else. social dynamics never stand still for very long. worse things happen at sea. we're here for a good time, not a long time. etc etc. cheer up.

s7ryf3925pivug

You’re a “movement”

Yer Da sells Avon

Deleted User wrote: »

this kind of stuff rarely comes up offline and when it does the conversation is usually a lot milder, for obvious reasons.

I don't think I've ever had a serious discussion with a friend, acquaintance or colleague (beyond the usual "God, that's terrible" etc) about that kind of stuff. It just doesn't crop up because it's bizarrely intense and life's too short.

Donald Trump

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

And what of the entitled attitude of some women towards men's bodies, Hapax?



Dunno about you, but if a female friend behaved like that, or condoned that kind of behaviour, it would be very damaging to our friendship.

Dunno about you...but I know plenty of fellas who would gladly wear an oul' skirt in public if they thought that random ladies would spontaneously come over and give their willies a rub

Sam Quentin

Nah....
It's rooting out the nasty sneaky women among us, who are only interested in their self worth...
Total divorce material. To be avoided like the plague....

Yer Da sells Avon

Donald Trump wrote: »

Dunno about you...but I know plenty of fellas who would gladly wear an oul' skirt in public if they thought that random ladies would spontaneously come over and give their willies a rub

LOL sexual assault

Arghus

I often feel After Hours is an alternate universe that bears no resemblance to the reality that I experience.

Outlaw Pete

Oh, it's reality alright. Just some are choosing to stick their heads in the sand is all.

s7ryf3925pivug

The 8th amendment is a violation of human rights and has been flagged as such by the UN commission on human rights more than once. Now we have a bizarre juxtaposition where democratic process determines whether to continue violating basic human rights of a large section of society. Not something that should be framed as a feminist issue imo; it is a basic human rights issue.

Bob Harris

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh, it's reality alright. Just some are choosing to stick their heads in the sand is all.

A lot of those signs look like they were made by people who went along for the laugh. The only ones missing there were 'down with this sort of thing' and 'John 3:16'

Wibbs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh, it's reality alright. Just some are choosing to stick their heads in the sand is all.

It is and it's not. It's a reality in certain sections of the media, It's a reality in certain sections of the interwebs, it's a reality with a section of the student and faculty body, it's a reality with a minority of scary haired loons with cats, it's a reality within some companies(mostly US in origin) and it's a reality with some in the political sphere.

Now that does have a crossover effect on the general public's mind, but in the vast majority of cases most don't care beyond a fleeting "ahh isn't that awful? Lovely weather we're having".

Outlaw Pete

Wibbs wrote: »

Now that does have a crossover effect on the general public's mind, but in the vast majority of cases most don't care beyond a fleeting "ahh isn't that awful? Lovely weather we're having".

I agree that the vast majority of people don't care or tune out but that doesn't change the fact that third wave feminism is having an ever increasing negative effect. Social change sneaks up on society. Much of the changes in Sweden and Iceland for example happened gradually. I'm not saying we are at that stage of course, but certain people in powerful positions are absolutely attempting to navigate us in that direction.

It's not our generation that will feel it first either. It's the younger generation as they are the ones that are in the firing line when it comes to gender politics. You just have to look at the aftermath of the recent rugby trial to see what a grip these people have on a certain section of youth culture. That influence gives them leverage which they can use to manipulate certain fractions into doing what they want. Women's rights groups protested the IRFU all last week, giving interviews daily about how they need to remove these players to show that they won't stand for misogyny and that's pretty much what they have done.

Feminist activism today is largely destructive and whether the public at large pays any attention to them or not is irrelevant as they will affect change regardless. They don't want equality of opportunity, like old school feminists rightly fought for, they want equality of outcome and they are damn well getting it. I was only speaking with a play writer last week who told me that he was seeing excellent work passed over for very mediocre offerings just because the writer was a woman and this is all on the back of changes that are being implemented following the 'Waking the Feminists' pushing for a diversity and equality strategy throughout the national theatre.

These might seem like quite trivial issues, but what we are seeing now is just a taste of what's coming down the line.

seamus

Arghus wrote: »

I often feel After Hours is an alternate universe that bears no resemblance to the reality that I experience.

This.

cloudatlas

Jordan Peterson: Women need to be more masculine and more aggressive.

Women: okay then.

Men: NOOOOOH STOP.

Stonedpilot

Of course it is its all just disguised Misandry something so incredibly common in society yet many have to google the words meaning its so infrequently spoken of.

Most TV "feminists" look miserable. Decades of hatred against men does that to you.

Intersestingly most intelligent women I ever met always laughed at how absurd and hysterical career feminists were. These women have proper jobs ie vet,psychologist, and a carer.

Most Louise O Neill types care about as much as battered women as the people abusing them.

Its a handy career being a Twitter Warrior.

How the likes of her have a career sprouting such ingenuine rubbish is beyond me.

beefburrito

Im not humble bragging or being a dck, but I'm gone MGTOW I had no other choice.

Men going their own way.

It's easier much easier.

I have my ducks in a row, a 17 year old son,get on great with his step-dad and mum, bigger than average house in the Burren, car paid for two year old car,mortgage payments one tenth of my monthly income.
Public sector job,loads of Bob.

The amount of brats and self serving idiots who're looking to piggy back their future on dating sites is phenomenal.


OK I have a female friend who's very understanding for comfort and walks,movies etc
I bring her son fishing sometimes, we meet regularly for tea or a chat.
No sex, it complicates things,suits me and her.

She's anti femminism....because she says it's full of contradiction...

She's tired of the whole well femminism is all about equality...bull****...

What does fem mean?

JMNolan

cloudatlas wrote: »

Jordan Peterson: Women need to be more masculine and more aggressive.

Women: okay then.

Men: NOOOOOH STOP.

Wat?

Grayson

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

And what of the entitled attitude of some women towards men's bodies, Hapax?

You're right. Women are the sexis ones who have been oppressing men for centuries.

How often do I have to point out that one single story about women groping men in kilts does not illustrate a trend.

Here's a bit of advice. Get down of the fcuking cross. You are not being oppressed by feminism. Feminism is an objective good thing. And if you feel awkward having these conversations about what men can and can't do to women, well the conversation was long overdue.

I realise having a go at feminists seems to be having a resurgence now. Unless you enjoy groping and being sexist there is nothing to worry about though. Feminism is about equality. The only people who seem to be annoyed with it are people who feel that they are losing out. And if you're losing out because of equality it means you shouldn't have had the advantage that you're losing.

As for the OP, If you're a guy who wants to chat up a woman here's some advice, go talk to her like she's a fcukling human being, just like you, and everything will be fine. If you don't want to chat her up, act like she's a human being, just like you.

And you know what, having a conversation about rape and sexual assault with women can be quite enlightening. They know a lot more about it than we do.

Grayson

beefburrito wrote: »

Im not humble bragging or being a dck, but I'm gone MGTOW I had no other choice.

Men going their own way.

It's easier much easier.

I have my ducks in a row, a 17 year old son,get on great with his step-dad and mum, bigger than average house in the Burren, car paid for two year old car,mortgage payments one tenth of my monthly income.
Public sector job,loads of Bob.

The amount of brats and self serving idiots who're looking to piggy back their future on dating sites is phenomenal.


OK I have a female friend who's very understanding for comfort and walks,movies etc
I bring her son fishing sometimes, we meet regularly for tea or a chat.
No sex, it complicates things,suits me and her.

She's anti femminism....because she says it's full of contradiction...

She's tired of the whole well femminism is all about equality...bull****...

What does fem mean?

I have no idea what this post means. Is there something special about having a house in the burren? Is it a status thing I've never heard of?

Ulysses Gaze

Bob Harris wrote: »

A lot of those signs look like they were made by people who went along for the laugh. The only ones missing there were 'down with this sort of thing' and 'John 3:16'

Also missing the now ubiquitous 'Wenger Out' placard

Grayson

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh, it's reality alright. Just some are choosing to stick their heads in the sand is all.

wow you found a photo that disproved feminism and shows that all feminists hate men. That one person, at that one rally, holding that one sign means that it was all a great big lie.

I was so wrong. Thank you for showing me the light brother pete. I'm off to take my red pill like a good little cuck.

freshpopcorn

I think some of the high profile feminists now aren't doing the movement any favors.
I always find you know where you stand with a feminist but I'd never trust a male feminist.

No.
Glad we cleared that up

spurious

What new feminist movement?
I must have missed a memo.

eviltwin

I'm a feminist. I've a 23 yr relationship with a man, my best mate is male, never had any issues with the guys I know, work with etc. Am I doing something wrong?

silverharp

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a feminist. I've a 23 yr relationship with a man, my best mate is male, never had any issues with the guys I know, work with etc. Am I doing something wrong?

a generational difference perhaps? maybe the up an coming types are more entrenched and indoctronated

seamus

Grayson wrote: »

I have no idea what this post means. Is there something special about having a house in the burren? Is it a status thing I've never heard of?

MGTOW is code word for, "I've discovered that spending my life bending over backwards to try and get a ride is incredibly stressful, so I've stopped doing that". And then they celebrate it like they've discovered something new and innovative.

As a movement unfortunately it's been infested with sad angry men who believe that all women are just out to control men and suck them dry of money.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

MGTOW is code word for, "I've discovered that spending my life bending over backwards to try and get a ride is incredibly stressful, so I've stopped doing that". And then they celebrate it like they've discovered something new and innovative.

As a movement unfortunately it's been infested with sad angry men who believe that all women are just out to control men and suck them dry of money.

I've heard if you go on their subreddit, the front page is all posts about women. Not much going their own way there

eviltwin

silverharp wrote: »

a generational difference perhaps? maybe the up an coming types are more entrenched and indoctronated

I'm not that old though. But yeah maybe that's it. I'm sure the older people thought we were fussing over nothing too, always the way ain't it.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Some of my best friends are women - they work in a very male dominated area of science and technology. Yes that is wrong - but they are changing things one day at a time and doing the work of real change and influence.

No it is not.

Expecting a 50/50 split is plain idiotic and short sighted. Stop trying to force equality of outcome. Let people do the jobs they want to do.

cloudatlas wrote: »

Jordan Peterson: Women need to be more masculine and more aggressive.

Women: okay then.

Men: NOOOOOH STOP.

Wat?

super_furry

bluewolf wrote: »

I've heard if you go on their subreddit, the front page is all posts about women. Not much going their own way there

They're bad but they're choirboys compared to the incels.

beefburrito

Grayson wrote: »

I have no idea what this post means. Is there something special about having a house in the burren? Is it a status thing I've never heard of?

Ha ha, it means if I married a femminists....I wouldn't have all that, I'd be in heart break hotel with dampness pissing down the walls and full of self pity and loathing..

I worked hard for it, ain't going to hand it over for the sake of someone who thinks their worth it...

eviltwin

beefburrito wrote: »

Ha ha, it means if I married a femminists....I wouldn't have all that, I'd be in heart break hotel with dampness pissing down the walls and full of self pity and loathing..

I worked hard for it, ain't going to hand it over for the sake of someone who thinks their worth it...

Why do you think that?

super_furry

These male MGTOW, Incel, PUA movements and the rest are much more damaging to male female relationships than feminism ever could be.

ChikiChiki

Men seem to be under attack these days. Many in the feminist movement just tar everyone with the same brush. Todays drivel from the journal below;

Rate my rape list: 'I'm angry at the silence of the men of Ireland' http://jrnl.ie/3959797

super_furry

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Men seem to be under attack these days. Many in the feminist movement just tar everyone with the same brush. Todays drivel from the journal below;

Rate my rape list: 'I'm angry at the silence of the men of Ireland' http://jrnl.ie/3959797

Drivel? It's a piece written by the Executive Director of the Rape Crisis Network Ireland, who I dare say, know a fair deal more about rape than you.

I think this line particularly rings true here. "We can choose to look critically at how we are as men and women and other, at what we expect of ourselves and each other. We can transform to create a kinder, more respectful society for all, but only if we engage honestly and compassionately and not retreat into our rage and defensive indignation."

silverharp

super_furry wrote: »

These male MGTOW, Incel, PUA movements and the rest are much more damaging to male female relationships than feminism ever could be.

one is a reaction to another would be the easy way to look at it

beefburrito

eviltwin wrote: »

Why do you think that?

Because it's been alluded to twice, two long term relationships.

Broke up, was told the if they had moved in with me, and they were living with me long enough they'ed have entitled something...

I know most women aren't like that,he but there's clever minxes who due to bitterness would have no limits to how They'ed react...

kunst nugget

super_furry wrote: »

Drivel? It's a piece written by the Executive Director of the Rape Crisis Network Ireland, who I dare say, know a fair deal more about rape than you.

I think this line particularly rings true here. "We can choose to look critically at how we are as men and women and other, at what we expect of ourselves and each other. We can transform to create a kinder, more respectful society for all, but only if we engage honestly and compassionately and not retreat into our rage and defensive indignation."

She's angry at the silence of good men… If you were a man in the public eye would you comment on the school rape list or Belfast Rape Trial? I wouldn't in a million years because you'd be leaving yourself open to nothing but dog's abuse.

They're being silent not because they are trying to be complicit in a rape culture, they are staying silent to avoid the hassle that would be brought to bear on them. There's no way that any kind of open and honest debate can occur in the current climate.

kunst nugget

In terms of the original question, do I think that the feminist movement is damaging male female relationships? I would say no more than the MRA crowd and besides seeing it on here, I don't have any interaction with it on a day to day basis. I deactivated my facebook, don't use twitter, snapchat, instagram or any social media beyond whatsapp. I live in blissful ignorance and a lot of the nonsense floating around and get on with enjoying my life and my family an friends, both male and female and I put neither on a pedestal or in a ditch.

Zulu

If prominent men or indeed people in general weren't hounded by the twitterati mob for saying the wrong thing; if people weren't thrown to the wolves for making a bold comment that isn't "on message" then more people might speak out.

But while there exists a baying mob of ignorant totalitarians, while the pitchforks run unchecked, only a fool would speak their mind in case it was perceived to counter popular opinion.

Il Fascista

super_furry wrote: »

These male MGTOW, Incel, PUA movements and the rest are much more damaging to male female relationships than feminism ever could be.

How do you rationalize groups who have little to no power having a bigger influence than a group that has massive power?

Boom_Bap

kunst nugget wrote: »

She's angry at the silence of good men… If you were a man in the public eye would you comment on the school rape list or Belfast Rape Trial? I wouldn't in a million years because you'd be leaving yourself open to nothing but dog's abuse.

They're being silent not because they are trying to be complicit in a rape culture, they are staying silent to avoid the hassle that would be brought to bear on them. There's no way that any kind of open and honest debate can occur in the current climate.

I see alot of this. It's a case of not listening to what you have said, but looking for what you have left out and picking up on that as a rebuttal.

meeeeh

beefburrito wrote: »

Because it's been alluded to twice, two long term relationships.

Broke up, was told the if they had moved in with me, and they were living with me long enough they'ed have entitled something...

I know most women aren't like that,he but there's clever minxes who due to bitterness would have no limits to how They'ed react...

That's it, better avoid women, they might eat you alive.

Well thanks for that advice. But sadly your opinion is just that. Your opinion. You think feminism is a good thing, I think that feminism is a bad thing. And having a differing opinion on the Belfast trial and/or the Repeal referendum is not anti woman, regardless of what you may think. To be shouted down as a woman hater for having a different opinion is oppressive but even worse, it shuts down any possibility of open and honest dialogue.

But sure, that's just me speaking from my privileged cross I suppose