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Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event
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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) provided Flight 77 FDR/CSR data and this is what it showed at the end of the tape.
You can see where the plane is too high up in the sky, and noway at that altitude, had the plane enough time to knock over light poles located on the bridge/ freeway/highway road.
Debunkers and conspiracists have argued about this data for a very long time.
9/11 conspiracy people, this is genuine evidence the plane kept going over the Pentagon and landed somewhere else, for debunkers they believe the NTSB data corrupted or missing data?
NTSB never helped clear up this confusion unfortunately for everyone.
FDR does not support Lloyd story though of an aircraft flying over his car at the heliport. The plane moving northeast between the ring roads and the bridge.
Yes, interesting that this does agree with the testimony of many witnesses who stated that the plane was quite high above them as it crossed Route 27, in fact far too high to have been able to hit the ground floor horizontally as is alleged by the Gatecam videos.
Some of those witnesses are :
DARIUS PRATHER, ANC worker.
As he was drawing the flightpath he witnessed on an overhead photo for CIT, he said,
"IT CAME ALONG THE LITTLE ROAD HERE, AND IT STARTED PIVOTING UP."
That was the exit road from Route 27 to Columbia Pike.
As the plane at this level must have been high enough for at least its left wing to clear the tree-topped cemetery bank, it was already high enough to fly across the Pentagon, about 300 yards north of the bridge, and it could not possibly have flown diagonally into the Pentagon low and level as seen on the Gatecam videos.
ROBERT TURCIOS, CITGO employee.
He stated that the plane
"LIFTED UP A LITTLE BIT TO GET OVER THE DO NOT ENTER SIGN" on Route 27.
If the plane was high enough to clear the overhead sign, it was too high to drop down again to be level with the lawn at impact, but plenty high enough to stay on that track and avoid the Pentagon.
The plane was also much too far north to have hit the poles on the bridge.
TERRY MORIN.
From his position south of the 5-storey Navy Annex, with no view whatsoever of the western side of the Pentagon, he claimed,
"THE TAIL WAS BARELY VISIBLE WHEN I SAW THE FLASH AND SUBSEQUENT FIREBALL rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon."
The Navy Annex was considerably elevated above the Pentagon, and there is no way that Morin could have seen the tail unless it was flying above the roof of the Pentagon at the time of the explosion.
There are many more witness statements about the plane being plenty high enough to clear the Pentagon roof and far too high to hit the ground floor, which will have to wait as I am now officially late for something.0 -
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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »Ruby gray:
Norad/ FAA plotted the FDR plane movements and the released a animation.
The have the plane flying over the top of the Navy Annex building, heading Northeast towards the Pentagon.
The official story plane was not heading this direction to the Pentagon and was not flying over the Navy Annex to the Northeast side.
Green line is the official story plane position heading Southwest.
Different agencies release FDR animations that don't support the official story, its very strange :eek:
Yes, this animation is extraordinary. The final part of it, from where it crosses over Edward Paik's mechanic shop, then diagonally across the Navy Annex, north of the Citgo station and the northern edge of the cloverleaf, is exactly as described by dozens of eyewitnesses. It has never been refuted by any "southside" witnesses (there are none!) And there has never been a retraction nor correction from FAA or NORAD.
However this animation still begins with that huge right-banking loop several miles southwest of the Pentagon, which did not happen.
Yes, the plane made a big loop before its final approach, but we know from credible eyewitness testimony that this loop crossed the Potomac and circled the White House.
There are no accounts from anyone who ever saw the alleged "official loop", whereas there are many testimonies from people who saw the plane on the actual loop over Washington.0 -
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Okay, so what really happened according to you?As for this guy Lloyd England, this is a bunch of 911 truthers harassing an old man who clearly has trouble remembering he was even there (despite being pictured there)
Plenty of people saw a plane hit the Pentagon that day - do these guys focus on the one guy with the bad memory or do they equally interview everyone?
Why would they focus on one old man instead of interviewing everyone?
What could their motive possibly be
Their motive was to show how the government story of a 90 ton plane hitting a 40 foot lightpole at >500 mph, with the pole then travelling in the opposite direction from which it was hit, and spearing the windshield of a car moving at 50 mph without damaging the hood, then miraculously ending up within feet of its original pisition, was a bunch of cobblers.
That is surely an admirable aim. Aldo Marquis had been discussing this conundrum on forums for years before he, Craig Ranke and Russell Pickering first interviewed Lloyde England.
But since all they had seen of the imagery was the official photos taken from 11 minutes after the event, their perception was skewed. Aldo knew that the taxi had to have been moved, but he got hung up on the wrong details in photos. What he should have been investigating, was what happened during the 11 minutes prior to Corporal Jason Ingersoll's first photo of the cab on the bridge.
He also said he would bet money on the yellow trailer in an Ingersoll photo having been the one that was used to move the trailer. He should have followed up on his hunch, because he was correct.
But they interviewed Lloyde England first of all their witnesses in 2006, before they had spoken to any others who saw the plane flying North of Citgo. Even when Lloyde told them that HE WAS NOT ON THE BRIDGE WHEN IT HAPPENED, they failed to get it. Lloyde told them, right there, that the government story was wrong, yet because of those Ingersoll photos, Aldo and Craig dismissed Lloyde's true account.
Lloyde had a perfect memory of where he was when he saw a plane for a split second as it appeared from behind the trees on top of the cemetery bank and crossed Route 27.
(Precisely as seen and testified to by STEVE RISKUS, who was driving on Lloyde's tail and therefore witnessed the cab being impaled by a projectile pole, but cunningly hid that information in his photo series.)
Lloyde's body language as he described looking SOUTH towards the hole in the Pentagon, indicating with his LEFT arm that the fire was to his SOUTHEAST when he stopped his cab, is crystal clear, and not something that is attributable to a bad memory. His cab was facing south, and the impact site was SOUTH of Lloyde and his taxi. In "The First Known Accomplice?" we see Lloyde gesturing to show his relative position, rather than describing his location in words. This is a powerful body memory, not a verbal account which might have been forgotten.
In the second video, Lloyde is confused when he sees a long distance photo of his cab on the bridge, facing southwest away from the Pentagon, and he says,
"It's facing the wrong way!"
That is correct! The overpass bridge is actually about 150 metres SOUTH of the southwest corner of the Pentagon. To see the fire from there, Lloyde had to look NORTH, and to his RIGHT, as we see him do in an Ingersoll photo.
Lloyde's lifetime experience as a Washington cabbie is authoritative, therefore to be respected and believed.
It is Aldo and Craig who were confused about where the cab was at 9:37:46 a.m., not Lloyde!
They were confused because they only saw the circumstantial evidence staged after the event.
They did not think to search the video records for evidence of what occurred prior to 9:48 a.m., when Lloyde's cab was first photographed on the bridge.
Many people complain about the videos which have not been released by the FBI, but numerous videos which were released, contain a wealth of evidence incriminating the Pentagon itself, and others, as having been involved in staging the event. The quality of these images is poor, but the proofs are abundant, unlike the single blurred frame from the Gatecam, purported to be AA77 flying low and level across the southwest Pentagon lawn.
Beginning with the CITGO CCTV footage, we find several proofs that the official story of AA77 flying across the bridge, is a lie.
Even though the FBI retained at least one Citgo camera from the northwestern corner of the canopy, which was aimed towards the Pentagon and according to the manager, would have shown a good view of the plane - they did release most of the CCTV footage, collated into a montage view.
The view pointing southwest towards the single pump side and Joyce Street, shows a black vehicle driving north, then pulling in to the station and parking at the pump, several minutes prior to the explosion. This vehicle is a towtruck. It remains at the pump for a couple of minutes after the explosion, then pulls out and leaves the Citgo, heading north towards Columbia Pike.
This is the same view on which, according to False Truthers Wayne Coste and David Chandler, two momentary grey lines on Joyce Street are the shadow of AA77 flying on the south-of-CITGO trajectory. But that is a lie. Enlarging this frame shows that the grey lines (far too small anyway to be cast by a 757) are actually shadows from two large white vehicles, possibly trucks, driving along Joyce Street.
The view from the camera on the North side of the station shows the forecourt beneath the canopy.
This is where we see Sergeant William Lagasse's white police cruiser arrive and park beside the northwest pump. Lagasse famously claimed that he saw the plane flying to the north of the Citgo, between him and Arlington Cemetery.
We know his testimony must be true, because it is supported by the evidence on this video, showing his position at that time.
In his earliest interview, he stated that he was looking at the starboard side of the plane, the right side, meaning it was to his north. It is obvious that, as Lagasse himself stated, he could not have seen the plane had it been to the south of the Citgo, because the roof and the building would have obscured his view.
There is also the recorded evidence of Lagasse's immediate logged phone call to the Pentagon, stating that the plane was headed towards them.
About 20 seconds after the explosion, Lagasse's cruiser backed out and headed north towards Columbia Pike as he sped off go the Pentagon.
That is not the only evidence on this camera view. After Lagasse pulled in beneath the canopy from the west, another black car pulled up north of the canopy from the east, to the far side of the same pump Lagasse was at. This black and white car was in the sunshine, and it reflected a column of light onto the ceiling as it moved west. After it stopped, there was a very strong white reflection off the rear of this car for one frame, before the car immediately pulled forward again, and sped off towards Columbia Pike.
At the same moment, the cashier staff rush to the door to the east, seen in the lowest camera view. According to a staff testimony, they heard the sound of the plane close to their building, everything shook, and they rushed to the door to see what was happening. This proves that the plane was flying past the Citgo at the same time that the strong white flash was reflected from the black and white car onto the ceiling.
We know who the driver of the black car was, although alas, CIT did not investigate his story and interview him. This was STATE TROOPER MYRLIN WIMBISH, who testified that he had stopped for fuel within sight of the Pentagon (could only be the Citgo), and was at the pump when he saw the plane flying towards him across the Navy Annex, and that he then sped off to the Pentagon.
That makes it clear that the WHITE FLASH reflected onto the ceiling from his car, was the momentary reflection from a very large, very shiny fast moving object above and north of his car.
Ergo, the flash was the reflection from the plane flying towards the Pentagon on the North-of-Citgo trajectory.
This evidence is more significant and less contrived than the faked Gatecam frame of a tiny blurry object far to the south. The FBI retained any CCTV footage which showed the plane on the flimsy excuse that they detetmibed that they "did not show the impact of the plane", but they neglected to cut the reflection of the plane from this view.
Nor do their two Gatecam videos "show the impact of the plane", but they claim them as proof that this is what happened.
We have the corroborating evidence of numerous witnesses from the Citgo, to substantiate the fact that the plane flew to the north of the station, NOT south of it across the bridge.
PPO Sgt William Lagasse
Robert Turcios, Citgo employee
State Trooper Myrlin Wimbish
Citgo cashier staff
PPO Sgt Chadwick Brooks
It is also highly significant that on a CIT video, Sgt Lagasse adamantly stated that NOTHING happened on the bridge, that he had NEVER heard that the plane flew across the bridge, and that LLOYDE ENGLAND'S CAB was hit by a pole BESIDE THE CEMETERY WALL, NOT on top of the bridge.
Again, it is lamentable that Craig and Aldo were not spurred on by Lagasse's statements, to investigate much deeper. They would have discovered the truth 14 years ago.
While a major reason for the FBI confiscating and retaining the CITGO CCTV footage facing towards the Pentagon, is that it would have shown the plane flying where it supposedly did not - and therefore of necessity, also overflying the Pentagon - there is another reason.
Those cameras facing to the east would have had a perfect view of the BLACK TOWTRUCK driving east onto the northwest cloverleaf, hooking up the trailer parked there, driving north around the corner onto Route 27 where Lloyde's cab was.
They would have captured the WHITE VAN parked there just in front of Lloyde's cab for 90 seconds.
They may have shown Lloyde at the WHITE VAN, asking the driver for help removing the pole from the windshield.
They would have shown the white van departing again 90 seconds later, and driving down to the bridge, where it parked for several minutes.
They may have shown the DECOY CAPITOL CAB which was parked on top of the bridge for the first few minutes, and the two occupants dragging downed lightpole #1 around and laying it across the top of the cab - which incorrect position was testified to by a single witness, YVETTE BUZARD.
They would have shown the black towtruck, towing a low loader trailer, loading ramps vertical, vehicle disguised in a black sheet, as it drove towards the bridge at 9:43 a.m., and the DECOY CAB speeding south of the bridge as the towtruck arrived.
Those camera views would have shown the towtruck doing a U-turn across the lanes on top of the bridge, and a team of accomplices unloading Lloyde's cab there, plus a couple of pieces of pole.
They would show the towtruck with unloaded trailer exiting north off the bridge onto the northwest cloverleaf at 9:45 a.m., and unhitching the yellow trailer there where they collected it, behind the guardrail, then doing a U-turn back towards Columbia Pike.
They would have shown the Jeep driven by Rumsfeld's bodyguard, driving north from the bridge, collecting Lloyde England, then depositing him on top of the bridge for his photo opp, at 9:58 a.m.
The CITGO CCTV footage runs for about 2 hours.The FBI, according to Citgo staff, appeared within 2 hours of the explosion and confiscated all their cameras. They eventually returned all the cameras and released the footage, except those which faced Route 27.
Have you never wondered what they are hiding?
Never mind, all the above suppressed evidence, and more, is revealed on numerous other videos and photos taken by numerous independent people from many angles.0 -
Says the poster who maintains flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, but temporarily forgot that and started denying evidence that flight 77 hit.
My inclination is to be skeptical when building seven got taken down by demolition. Secrets are still covered up here
I don’t have 100% confidence here about the Pentagon attack. I think it possible we missing information here and the US government's interpretation correct and flight 77 crashed at the Pentagon?
Lets talk here.
FDR decoded data
Has an airplane flying over the top of the Navy Annex heading Northeast towards the Pentagon that way.
9/11 commission says no, the plane was not heading Northeast, it was flying Southwest just seconds before crashing?
I put on the debunker hat here.
If its Flight 77 either way, why does that imply? Is still crashed at the Pentagon? That's true!!!
My mind.
Why is the 9/11 commission placing the plane coming in at the angle? Are they trying to cover up another secondary blast here at the Pentagon, is that possible? The narrative is this southwest plane came in at an angle, and kinetic energy made that C hole in the wall, in wedge 3 ring at the Pentagon? What if that plane had not enough energy to do it and was a diversion?
Similar tactic was used in New York, planes hit, towers fell down- convinced debunkers, media, and others.
Demolitions were placed in the buildings and thats how they fell :eek:
Pentagon accounting/budget department taken out by a bomb?0 -
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