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Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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    #2642
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm not talking about the rape accusation. i am referring to his, and his friends', attitudes to women.

    What about the woman's attitude to herself...getting blind drunk, going to a strangers house etc. Should that be held against her?

    People make mistakes all the time...at least I have and most others. Some of those on the high moral ground have led unblemished lives it seems.


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    #2643
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What about the woman's attitude to herself...getting blind drunk, going to a strangers house etc. Should that be held against her?

    People make mistakes all the time...at least I have and most others. Some of those on the high moral ground have led unblemished lives it seems.

    Has she been signed for London Irish too?


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    #2644
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,278 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What about the woman's attitude to herself...getting blind drunk, going to a strangers house etc. Should that be held against her?

    People make mistakes all the time...at least I have and most others. Some of those on the high moral ground have led unblemished lives it seems.

    this wasn't one mistake by them. it was a prevailing attitude. an attitude they have shown no remorse for.


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    #2645
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,278 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Has she been signed for London Irish too?

    yeah she is a utility back.


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    #2646
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you not make judgements about other people practically every day of your life? do not decide if you like people, if you would like to be friends with people, if you dont like them at all and never wish to see them again? It is incredibly naive to think we dont judge other people.

    Careerblocking, life changing judgements? Absolutely no way, do I make those every day of my life.
    I would take a great deal of time to make such a judgement. With absolute regard for the other person. It's called decency and ordinary humanity.


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    #2647
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Which has what to do with learning a life lesson?
    Can you answer the question now? You can answer it in terms of yourself as well as for your child or anyone you actually know.

    His attitude throughout the trial and afterwards was not one of a man who regretted what he did so i dont think he has learned a life lesson.

    What did he do, that he has cause for regret? What life lesson has he failed to learn?

    Other than the regret he has expressed:
    He told the Press Association he would always regret the events of the night in question.
    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state... I am also truly sorry for engaging in a Whatsapp group chat which was degrading and offensive and I apologise unreservedly for this.

    The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public."


    What atonement must he make for degrading and offensive language?
    Maybe his attitude is consistent that of an innocent man, who feels he has been wronged in some respect, by being accused of rape?


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    #2648
    dont bother
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm not talking about the rape accusation. i am referring to his, and his friends', attitudes to women.

    surely you can see the hypocrisy in that statement?
    you are seething with anger towards these men, so if a lot of women (and there are) share that opinion of men and are so quick to judge, ruin their lives, careers etc - for what? cos you dont like their attitude towards women?

    the group was called top shaggers, they are young, good looking rugby players and the women flocked to them. they were getting action.
    why is it so bad that they discussed this, albeit crudely, amongst themselves?

    just because they have this attitude, why should their lives be ruined?
    what gives women the right to do that to a man, ruin their lives, just because they got their backs up about stuff said privately with their mates in a Private whatsapp group?

    peer pressure to conform to the language of the group at play, young minds, up to their necks in women all the time, so they would see them more maybe as a commodity, an accessory to their rugby guy lives.

    it's natural that guys like that would have some attitude like this to women, but it's certainly not a shock or a surprise.

    it was a huge bandwagonry thing with the feminists who took on this stance.

    they were found NOT GUILTY.

    maybe its time to put the woman who accused them on trial for lying, for trying to sabotage the lives of a number of different men.
    it's in the court transcripts that she actually texted her mate BEFORE the night of the alleged rape to say that she hated paddy jackson and would do anything to "bring him down". she had a grudge against Ulster rugby BEFORE the night she was lucky enough to meet paddy et al, and the rest is basically (IN MY OPINION) she rode them all, made a slvt of herself and then used it to "bring paddy jackson down".

    why isnt she on trial ?


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    #2649
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    this wasn't one mistake by them. it was a prevailing attitude. an attitude they have shown no remorse for.

    It was an attitude to a type of person...not 'womankind' as the shrill metoo'ers and twitter mob liked to rant about.

    Do you think these guys had the same attitude to all women?


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    #2650
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Hang on, are we only discussing things on Boards that PERSONALLY effect us now?

    No, I’m not making anything up. You need to take a breath.

    Listen Lady,
    you know you're making it up.

    why do people like you always think they can get away with such obvious gaslighting?
    everyone can see through it.

    "third hand gossip" me hole.

    stop getting your frilly knickers in a twist there luvvie


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    #2651
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,278 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It was an attitude to a type of person...not 'womankind' as the shrill metoo'ers and twitter mob liked to rant about.

    So its ok because they only did it to sluts? it that it?
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Do you think these guys had the same attitude to all women?

    it certainly seems like they did. If they had come out afterwards and apologised for how they treated women then it would probably have been forgotten about by now and he wouldnt be so toxic. But he didnt and he is now poison to sponsors.


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    #2652
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It was an attitude to a type of person...not 'womankind' as the shrill metoo'ers and twitter mob liked to rant about.

    So its ok because they only did it to sluts? it that it?
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Do you think these guys had the same attitude to all women?

    it certainly seems like they did. If they had come out afterwards and apologised for how they treated women then it would probably have been forgotten about by now and he wouldnt be so toxic. But he didnt and he is now poison to sponsors.

    Olding did. Jackson took a week longer.
    It did nothing for either.

    The #metoo brigade will have their pound of flesh, having failed to see them convicted, will take solace in seeing their careers destroyed.


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    #2653
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    dont bother wrote: »
    Listen Lady,
    you know you're making it up.

    why do people like you always think they can get away with such obvious gaslighting?
    everyone can see through it.

    "third hand gossip" me hole.

    stop getting your frilly knickers in a twist there luvvie

    One of us has our knickers in a twist and it isn’t me.


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    #2654
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    What did he do, that he has cause for regret? What life lesson has he failed to learn?

    Other than the regret he has expressed:
    He told the Press Association he would always regret the events of the night in question.
    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state... I am also truly sorry for engaging in a Whatsapp group chat which was degrading and offensive and I apologise unreservedly for this.

    The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public."


    What atonement must he make for degrading and offensive language?
    Maybe his attitude is consistent that of an innocent man, who feels he has been wronged in some respect, by being accused of rape?

    Ummm maybe because he only made that statement on taking some PR advice.

    This was his initial statement, which showed zero compassion and utter contempt for the woman involved.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/news/read-paddy-jacksons-statement-full-620675


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    #2655
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    So its ok because they only did it to sluts? it that it?

    Again you deflect. They were not commenting on 'womankind' they were making comments about a type of person. A woman who was interested in one night stands and their celebrity. Nothing wrong with that, and not representative of all women. There are men like that as well...referred to as 'horndogs'.

    So all you can say is, they had an attitude to a certain type of woman, not ALL women.

    it certainly seems like they did. If they had come out afterwards and apologised for how they treated women then it would probably have been forgotten about by now and he wouldnt be so toxic. But he didnt and he is now poison to sponsors.

    So he had the same attitude to his mother or sister as he had to this girl who he didn't know for more than a few hours at the very most? Or that all the women he knew could expect to be treated that way?


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    #2656
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,449 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, you just have to prepare for the possibility that you may be showing signs of approaching normality. ;)

    Its ok, I've sobered up, that was a scary couple 9f hours :pac:


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    #2657
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    KikiLaRue wrote: »

    This was his initial statement, which showed zero compassion and utter contempt for the woman involved.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/news/read-paddy-jacksons-statement-full-620675

    Where's the "utter contempt"?


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    #2658
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    One of us has our knickers in a twist and it isn’t me.

    well you clearly do, i can tell from your childish princessy retorts like the above.


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    #2659
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Ummm maybe because he only made that statement on taking some PR advice.

    This was his initial statement, which showed zero compassion and utter contempt for the woman involved.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/news/read-paddy-jacksons-statement-full-620675

    From the person who showed utter contempt by repeating third hand gossip? Fabulous!


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    #2660
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    From the person who showed utter contempt by repeating third hand gossip? Fabulous!

    third hand gossip which is completely untrue and by her saying it here only showed up the fact she hasnt a clue about the facts of the trial!?


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    #2661
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    What did he do, that he has cause for regret? What life lesson has he failed to learn?

    Other than the regret he has expressed:
    He told the Press Association he would always regret the events of the night in question.
    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state... I am also truly sorry for engaging in a Whatsapp group chat which was degrading and offensive and I apologise unreservedly for this.

    The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public."


    What atonement must he make for degrading and offensive language?
    Maybe his attitude is consistent that of an innocent man, who feels he has been wronged in some respect, by being accused of rape?

    Ummm maybe because he only made that statement on taking some PR advice.

    This was his initial statement, which showed zero compassion and utter contempt for the woman involved.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/news/read-paddy-jacksons-statement-full-620675

    In the context, of him being acquitted (very quickly) of a rape charge, which he believed him himself wholly innocent, its very understandable. Its a despicable crime, to perpetrate. Imagine being accused of it, knowing you were innocent.
    He was clearly very angry and emotional.

    But then attention turned to the whatsapp conversation, an oppurtunity was latched onto by the #metoo twitterati to inflict some punishment, to still get their lb of flesh. PR damage limitation. But the apology is an apology for her being upset, and his conversation.
    An opprtune time to remind ourselves of what he actually said...

    And also, of far worse being said, by people still plying their trade in Ulster Rugby. So clearly, if the content was so egregious, the whole lot of them would have had their contracts terminated.
    But of course this didnt happen.


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    #2662
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    From the person who showed utter contempt by repeating third hand gossip? Fabulous!

    The link is right there for you Francis.


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    #2663
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    The link is right there for you Francis.

    to the third hand gossip?

    If you mean the statement, there is no 'utter contempt' in it. Another fantasy.


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    #2664
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    dont bother wrote: »

    it's in the court transcripts that she actually texted her mate BEFORE the night of the alleged rape to say that she hated paddy jackson and would do anything to "bring him down". she had a grudge against Ulster rugby BEFORE the night she was lucky enough to meet paddy et al,

    Is this true?

    I don't think I've ever seen this mentioned before, and I've followed the thread here pretty closely.


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    #2665
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Olding did. Jackson took a week longer.
    It did nothing for either.

    Actually nobody is talking about Olding anymore, because his apology was all about his behaviour and acknowledging that a woman left his company upset, as well as acknowledging that not all parties were happy with what happened that night.

    Jackson meanwhile pointed fingers and threatened to sue people, before issuing a half-arsed apology a week or so later after pissing everybody off again.

    Olding then accepted the hand he was dealt with, went about his business and didn't moan about what he had to go through.


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    #2666
    Jackman25
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Olding did. Jackson took a week longer.
    It did nothing for either.

    The #metoo brigade will have their pound of flesh, having failed to see them convicted, will take solace in seeing their careers destroyed.

    The modern day church and every bit as nasty, bullying and malignant towards the "fallen" as the original version.


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    #2667
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Actually nobody is talking about Olding anymore, because his apology was all about his behaviour and acknowledging that a woman left his company upset, as well as acknowledging that not all parties were happy with what happened that night.

    Jackson meanwhile pointed fingers and threatened to sue people, before issuing a half-arsed apology a week or so later after pissing everybody off again.

    Olding then accepted the hand he was dealt with, went about his business and didn't moan about what he had to go through.

    So you are angry at somebody who was angry. Very good!


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    #2668
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Olding did. Jackson took a week longer.
    It did nothing for either.

    The #metoo brigade will have their pound of flesh, having failed to see them convicted, will take solace in seeing their careers destroyed.

    It's evil really.

    Imagine having a pack of creepers trying to sabotage your career at every point.

    I don't know how these men hold it together.


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    #2669
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    The amount of money alone that Jackson in particular has lost in future big contracts, sponsorship deals etc.


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    #2670
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Olding did. Jackson took a week longer.
    It did nothing for either.

    Actually nobody is talking about Olding anymore, because his apology was all about his behaviour and acknowledging that a woman left his company upset, as well as acknowledging that not all parties were happy with what happened that night.

    Jackson meanwhile pointed fingers and threatened to sue people, before issuing a half-arsed apology a week or so later after pissing everybody off again.

    Olding then accepted the hand he was dealt with, went about his business and didn't moan about what he had to go through.


    Not sure whether youre male/female but if you were male, and accused of something as heinous as rape, but knew you were innocent, how angry would you be at being acquitted in very short time, after a lengthy trial? With public figures including elected representatives tweeting their support to the "victim", and uttering doubt as to the acquittal?

    Now we can add "pissing people off" for a half arsed apology to his crimes.
    There truly is no path to redemption for poor Paddy!

    And for all the good it as done olding, he's keeping his head down all right, going about his business, but he was never as high profile as Jackson.


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    #2671
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    dont bother wrote: »
    read the papers from the trial coverage.
    it was all over the papers at the time. i'm not looking for links.

    she had a grudge against paddy ( i think it was something to do with him not going for her in a club a previous night) and her texts to her friends were to the tune of "i'm going to get him, i'm going to bring down Ulster Rugby".. there was also something about her friends saying "are you sure you want to go ahead with this" etc...


    I must have a root around on google when I get the chance so.


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