AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

Mushy · 13-05-2018 3:30pm

Wow Dublin will be fuming, and rightly so

Mushy · 13-05-2018 3:31pm

C_MC, yes he has been poor for both. But to miss as clear a free as that and for it to have such an impact is disgraceful.

This immediately after he gave a throw in for a shoulder to the head. Incompetent to the hilt

Mantis Toboggan · 13-05-2018 3:32pm

Awful performance from the ref

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2018 3:33pm

Mushy wrote: »

C_MC, yes he has been poor for both. But to miss as clear a free as that and for it to have such an impact is disgraceful.

This immediately after he gave a throw in for a shoulder to the head. Incompetent to the hilt

Would have to see the free out one again, did look a free alright on first look. But he definitely got the shoulder to Deegan right imo, did not see any free there. Deegan dropped the head coming in and looked more of a fair shoulder to me.

John.Icy · 13-05-2018 3:34pm

Oh championship Sunday you were missed!

Mantis Toboggan · 13-05-2018 3:34pm

Ref done his best for kilkenny but dublin should have been home and hosed, too many missed chances and a lack of composure.

TheRiverman · 13-05-2018 3:34pm

Too many missed chances from Dublin regardless of the referee.

Cakes and Ale · 13-05-2018 3:34pm

Shocking stuff there from the ref in the last 20 minutes. Dublin done out of that really.

John.Icy · 13-05-2018 3:35pm

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Ref done his best for kilkenny but dublin should have been home and hosed, too many missed chances and a lack of composure.

Would you actually stop the lights.

Ref was poor for both, no one was favoured at all. Kildare man - not a care for either team.

Dublin only have themselves to blame for balls short and wides not putting Kilkenny further behind.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2018 3:37pm

Bit worried for Dublin trying to lift themselves for Wexford next week. Recovery going to be absolutely paramount this week.

thelad95 · 13-05-2018 3:38pm

I’d generally be one for giving the referee the benefit of the doubt but there was a lot of decisions there for both sides that simply could not be justified, blatant fouls given as throw balls, ridiculous amounts of steps taken by Dublin players, Liam rushe charging for the third goal. Shambolic performance.

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-05-2018 3:38pm

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Mantis Toboggan · 13-05-2018 3:40pm

Looked a definite free but will have to see it again. Was the defining moment in the game.

Charlie69 · 13-05-2018 7:55pm

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Looked a definite free but will have to see it again. Was the defining moment in the game.

Just home from the match... which free is everyone talking about?.. thought the ref was very poor in general by the way.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2018 8:00pm

Charlie69 wrote: »

Just home from the match... which free is everyone talking about?.. thought the ref was very poor in general by the way.

Just before Blanchfield's goal. Paddy Smyth was in possession, swarmed by about 3 KK players and gave up possession which filtered through to Blanchfield and the rest is history. Hard to say, but was one of those incidents where it seemed easier to give a free than not. The defining moment for sure anyway.

Charlie69 · 13-05-2018 8:09pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Just before Blanchfield's goal. Paddy Smyth was in possession, swarmed by about 3 KK players and gave up possession which filtered through to Blanchfield and the rest is history. Hard to say, but was one of those incidents where it seemed easier to give a free than not. The defining moment for sure anyway.

Thanks.. I'd have to see it again to be honest. Thought Kirwan was terrible all day for both sides.. very inconsistent. Both sets of supporters were very unhappy with him.

Davys Fits · 13-05-2018 8:20pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Just before Blanchfield's goal. Paddy Smyth was in possession, swarmed by about 3 KK players and gave up possession which filtered through to Blanchfield and the rest is history. Hard to say, but was one of those incidents where it seemed easier to give a free than not. The defining moment for sure anyway.

But was it a foul? It certainly was a game changer

Mushy · 13-05-2018 8:53pm

Davys Fits wrote: »

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Just before Blanchfield's goal. Paddy Smyth was in possession, swarmed by about 3 KK players and gave up possession which filtered through to Blanchfield and the rest is history. Hard to say, but was one of those incidents where it seemed easier to give a free than not. The defining moment for sure anyway.

But was it a foul? It certainly was a game changer

Looked like the Dublin defender was bundled over as he caught the sliotar. One of those bizarre calls amongst a series of many in the game, this being the decisive one.

Bonniedog · 13-05-2018 9:42pm

Not claiming we should have won but that was dead cert free out leading to their goal

Charlie69 · 13-05-2018 9:47pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Not claiming we should have won but that was dead cert free out leading to their goal

Not sure about the free but Dublin definitely should have won today.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2018 9:53pm

In the context of some of the things he blew up for - one of them on a KK forward out near the right touch line in the first half almost beggared belief - it’s simply perplexing how he didn’t deem the challenge on Smyth a foul. That’s what would be so maddening about it I reckon.

Charlie69 · 13-05-2018 9:56pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

In the context of some of the things he blew up for - one of them on a KK forward out near the right touch line in the first half almost beggared belief - it’s simply perplexing how he didn’t deem the challenge on Smyth a foul. That’s what would be so maddening about it I reckon.

For sure... very inconsistent all day. Referee wasn't the reason Dublin lost this game though... they really have only themselves to blame.

nice_guy80 · 13-05-2018 9:57pm

Cody was in his ear

was laughing at some comments from Duignan

Huge physicality - errr, no. A foul is a foul.

threeball · 13-05-2018 10:02pm

Charlie69 wrote: »

For sure... very inconsistent all day. Referee wasn't the reason Dublin lost this game though... they really have only themselves to blame.

Stone wall free out but it was the legs that did Dublin in. Rushes lack of hurling meant he was shot at 60 mins, then losing Keaney. They couldn't keep the ball up in the forwards at all and paid the price.

Charlie69 · 13-05-2018 10:11pm

threeball wrote: »

Stone wall free out but it was the legs that did Dublin in. Rushes lack of hurling meant he was shot at 60 mins, then losing Keaney. They couldn't keep the ball up in the forwards at all and paid the price.

Maybe but they had enough chances to win the game, hit a lot of wides when they were dominating the game and Ryan mis-hit a couple of very easy frees.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2018 10:16pm

I think the last couple of posts sum it up perfectly. All those reasons are valid and it’s worth pointing out I think that Dublin aren’t the first and won’t be the last team to clam up when defending a lead against Kilkenny. Feckin hard bunch to put away even when they’re struggling for primary possession all game.

Have to say though what a display of high fielding from the Dublin lads today. Thought KK were the best around but the Dubs plucked ball time and time again from the sky. A pleasure to watch.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-05-2018 10:43pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Not claiming we should have won but that was dead cert free out leading to their goal

Possibly true but one of your goals should have been a free out for charging as well. Ref had the game ruined though, no rhyme or reason to anything he did.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-05-2018 10:45pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Cody was in his ear

Usual ****e talk from the usual ****etalker.

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-05-2018 10:49pm

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dastardly00 · 13-05-2018 10:58pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Shows the influence RTÉ can have. Ignored the foul for the winner today after the match, edited it out when they showed the goal on the news, and ignored again tonight. There's definitely a conscious decision to push a certain angle when they want to.

What are you on about??

The push by Blanchfield leading up to the goal?
Duignan just highlighted it and said it should have been a free.

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-05-2018 11:03pm

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dastardly00 · 13-05-2018 11:06pm

Patww79 wrote: »

I'd posted that before he said as they seemed to have moved on from the match and onto next week. Was very odd they didn't mention it today at all after the match though, was the deciding of the game that a referee got horrendously wrong.

You posted before they had finished the match analysis... In truth you just wanted to push your agenda/conspiracy theory

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-05-2018 11:08pm

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Gentleman Off The Pitch · 13-05-2018 11:15pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Usual ****e talk from the usual ****etalker.

Another year of the same drivel from that lad after every kilkenny match

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 13-05-2018 11:26pm

Concerning Kirwans awful performance from start to finish, there's only one reason the majority of posters are even mentioning it and that's due to Dublin losing.

Happyilylost · 14-05-2018 12:12am

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You've no issue with the amount of steps taken for Dublins first goal? I counted Rush as 13 steps for the first part and 7 for the second? When you go down the route of blaming officials you've already lost.

blackcard · 14-05-2018 12:38am

dastardly00 wrote: »

What are you on about??

The push by Blanchfield leading up to the goal?
Duignan just highlighted it and said it should have been a free.

I have looked at this 10 times and there is no evidence that it should have a free.

Formosa · 14-05-2018 5:50am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

In the context of some of the things he blew up for - one of them on a KK forward out near the right touch line in the first half almost beggared belief - it’s simply perplexing how he didn’t deem the challenge on Smyth a foul. That’s what would be so maddening about it I reckon.

I'd say that's the free given to Sheehan early enough in the game....joke of a decision, straight out of the Barry Kelly school of reffing (though Kelly would have booked the Dublin back just to show how correct his decision was).
Kirwan was septic for both teams from start to finish, Dublin blaming him is only avoiding the truth, which is that they 100% blew it on their own....

Bonniedog · 14-05-2018 6:00am

Apart from Kirwan, match was in our own keeping and they lost it. Ryan's free was mind bogglingly bad!

Great game and if we have more of this, new structure will have more than paid for itself. Long time since people were turned away from Parnell for a Dublin hurling match,

Bonniedog · 14-05-2018 8:53am

Could have been frees out for all the goals. So, no complaints, Ryan frees lost it for us, but other than that he was immense,

At least Ger and the boys not be laughing at us this morning.

OldMrBrennan83 · 14-05-2018 8:55am

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nice_guy80 · 14-05-2018 11:49am

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Another year of the same drivel from that lad after every kilkenny match

Why are their games refereed differently than every other team?

TrueGael · 14-05-2018 11:59am

Lads in here giving out about the ref, perhaps now ye have a glimpse what it's like to be on the receiving end of a Dublin Joe special in Croke Park

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 14-05-2018 12:56pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Why are their games refereed differently than every other team?

Bonniedog · 14-05-2018 1:11pm

TrueGael wrote: »

Lads in here giving out about the ref, perhaps now ye have a glimpse what it's like to be on the receiving end of a Dublin Joe special in Croke Park

Difference is that when we sober up, we see that actually Kirwan was not part of some conspiracy! We won't be harping on about it in 2034

Move on, it will be good for you.

danganabu · 14-05-2018 1:43pm

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Concerning Kirwans awful performance from start to finish, there's only one reason the majority of posters are even mentioning it and that's due to Dublin losing.

There were plenty of kilkenny complaining about the referee as well, it has nothing to do with the result of the game, are you seriously trying to suggest that Kirwan was anything other than brutal???

C__MC · 14-05-2018 1:51pm

The ref wasn’t good yesterday for both teams- he got the goal wrong at the end but rush barged for one of Dublin’s goals as well- swings in round abouts.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 14-05-2018 2:26pm

danganabu wrote: »

There were plenty of kilkenny complaining about the referee as well, it has nothing to do with the result of the game, are you seriously trying to suggest that Kirwan was anything other than brutal???

No.
My point is that had Kilkenny lost, any attempt to discuss the awful refereeing would be mainly done by Kilkenny supporters, and as has happened in the past, would in the main, be dismissed as Kilkenny posters not being able to take a beating. Since the perceived underdog came very close to winning, discussing the referees performance is now fair game.

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-05-2018 2:53pm

In fairness dangan you're in the wrong here. He did note that the performance was awful from start to finish and yet you said in your first response that he had implied it was something other than brutal.

It's very hard to argue that if dublin had won and kk fans were on here complaining about the same refereeing performance, we would not be totally eviscerated for it. Of course we would. Rightly so. The ref was so bad yesterday that trying to pick out one **** decision he made that somehow turned the game requires you to ignore twenty other decisions that turned it the other way. He was septic.

Dublin played better than kk but they ultimately didn't hold their nerve. They could bring on a few steady, competent older heads to finish things up, but we could bring on Paul Murphy and Colin fennelly, multiple all star and all Ireland winners. And when you have that kind of record you have a belief that is hard to overcome. The kk team never panicked, even after playing the first half as headlessly as anything we saw last year. Like they'd never seen a sweeper before. Shows you the gap between league and championship.

Great atmosphere in the stadium by all accounts, nobody will ever want to play Dublin in Parnell, if they can get a win next week they will have serious momentum.

danganabu · 14-05-2018 3:00pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

In fairness dangan you're in the wrong here. He did note that the performance was awful from start to finish and yet you said in your first response that he had implied it was something other than brutal.

You are right, Im not sure how I missed that part of his original post..........mondays dont suit me, having a mare as they say :-)

Apologies Gentleman Off the Pitch

AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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