"Very good mother", avoids jail

Sultan of Bling

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/very-good-mother-shoplifted-toys-for-her-children-in-difficult-circumstances-court-hears-36781955.html

Caught shoplifting and fighting outside a pub, but she's a very good mother.

Oh yeah and only the 138 previous convictions.

Can the govt not sell the prime real estate land that prisons in Dublin and other towns and cities are built on and build more and bigger prisons elsewhere on unused land so we can clear vermin like this off the street.

The gardai must be tearing their hair out.

Yer Da sells Avon

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

mikemac2

From the title I expected a rant over a soft judge

But it was her solicitor who said it. They say similar for everyone they represent

Sorry OP, not getting the outrage here

average_runner

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

True they are not vermin, they are a lower form.

Fann Linn

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Lots of people are vermin, i'll start the list for you:
Fr.Brendan Smyth.

Dog walker 1234

138 previous convictions and she gets a one year bond?

How has she time to be a good mother?

wexie

Dog walker 1234 wrote: »

138 previous convictions and she gets a one year bond?

How has she time to be a good mother?

Well she was out stealing toys for her little 'angles'....

Fann Linn

wexie wrote: »

Well she was out stealing toys for her little 'angles'....

Right angles!

Yer Da sells Avon

Fann Linn wrote: »

Right angles!

Acute little angles.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Racking up 138 convictions is making a hell of a go of challenging that though.

suicide_circus

She is 41.

Since she was 18 she amassed 138 convictions.

That is 6 convictions every year for 23 years.

That's commitment.

taylor3

The name says it all 'Joyce'. Age 41 with loads of previous convictions. Ethnic minority.

mynamejeff

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Parasite is a much better description

corner of hells

taylor3 wrote: »

The name says it all 'Joyce'. Age 41 with loads of previous convictions. Ethnic minority.

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

suicide_circus

You could start your own thread, comrade

goose2005

corner of hells wrote: »

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

a notorious drunk, scrounger, lech and cocaine addict

Greybottle

138 convictions means she was caught, successfully charged and successfully convicted 138 times.

Someone with those figures has probably committed well over 1,000 indictable offences, or about one per week.

Its people like that who commit the overwhelming amount of crime in this country.

fxotoole

Any relation to big Joe Joyce, the boxer?

mfceiling

Jaysus my mother has no convictions....she must be like a god.

JJayoo

Imagine all the stuff she has done and gotten away with, all that sweet sweet free legal aid Mmmmmmmm

CeilingFly

When will some members of the judiciary wake up?

I dare her to thieve in kildare and face Zaidan in Naas. He's one of the few that has no issue handing down proper sentences to shoplifting yobs

corner of hells

CeilingFly wrote: »

When will some members of the judiciary wake up?

I dare her to thieve in kildare and face Zaidan in Naas. He's one of the few that has no issue handing down proper sentences to shoplifting yobs

"Not a shop lifter , has 400+ convictions and got an 18 month sentence" .

Judge Zaidan imposed an 18months prison sentence, backdated to March 9, last. He has banned from driving for 15 years.

A CORK MAN who has one of the largest rap sheets in Irish criminal history claims he has never been offered rehab.

Anthony O’Sullivan (30), Araglen Court, DeansRock Estate, Togher is charged with being intoxicated while driving, speeding and having no insurance or licence at Newhall, Naas, on 20 December 2016.

JRant

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Acute little angles.

Don't be so obtuse

Cee-Jay-Cee

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

Atlantic Dawn

138 previous so a conservative estimate would be she did 5 or 6 times that without being caught, a 'good' mother for sure.

riffmongous

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

I'm also really not a fan of the word when used to describe groups of people, the first thing that always comes to mind to me is the nazi language for dehumanising the jews, the 2nd is the hunting sense of animals that can be shot without care

JP Liz V1

corner of hells wrote: »

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

ROTFL

Realt Dearg Sec

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm also really not a fan of the word when used to describe groups of people, the first thing that always comes to mind to me is the nazi language for dehumanising the jews, the 2nd is the hunting sense of animals that can be shot without care

DL Smith wrote a book in 2012 called Less Than Human in which he examines this exact tendency and its sheer prevalence across history. The Nazis are a prime example, of course, but he also shows how dehumanising language was used by the American, Russian, and British governments in describing German soldiers, in order to enable their soldiers to kill them more willingly. Both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict use such language as a matter of routine.

And when anyone wants to victimise a particular group (poor people, migrants, people of other colours, or religions, whatever) you will see, as sure as night follows day, the emergence of a vocabulary of animality, and, also, one that seeks to deindividuate that group (describing people as "swarms" for example). When people are not thought of as people but as swarms, there is no need to have any sympathy or empathy for them, or to care about what happens to them.

None of this is to excuse a woman for having 138 convictions (I don't see how you could excuse it), but I think the thing I hate most about all of these threads about people getting light sentences from soft judges, aside from the predictability of the discussion, is the ease with which people slip into a vocabulary of dehumanisation. It's an ugly instinct that reflects badly on us as civilised people, when we do it.

L.Jenkins

corner of hells wrote: »

"Not a shop lifter , has 400+ convictions and got an 18 month sentence" .

Judge Zaidan imposed an 18months prison sentence, backdated to March 9, last. He has banned from driving for 15 years.

A CORK MAN who has one of the largest rap sheets in Irish criminal history claims he has never been offered rehab.

Anthony O’Sullivan (30), Araglen Court, DeansRock Estate, Togher is charged with being intoxicated while driving, speeding and having no insurance or licence at Newhall, Naas, on 20 December 2016.

Yer Da sells Avon

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

Nah, she's a person, just like you.

s7ryf3925pivug

What's a better solution? Putting her in prison would leave five kids without their primary carer. Going to say there's a good chance the fathers are not involved either.

Legal abortion and free contraception is my best idea. But that has no bearing on this specific incident.

ChikiChiki

Lydia Millions Varnish wrote: »

What's a better solution? Putting her in prison would leave five kids without their primary carer. Going to say there's a good chance the fathers are not involved either.

Legal abortion and free contraception is my best idea. But that has no bearing on this specific incident.

Kids should be removed from her care if thats the example she is setting. It will only cause problems for society in the future.

the_syco

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Hearing that Elaine Joyce (41) already had 138 previous convictions

How many convictions before you class them as vermin?

s7ryf3925pivug

We dont have a good record when it comes to children in the care of the state.
Looking after five kids is a lot of work. Putting someone in prison is expensive.
She is in a very difficult situation. I think it's better to address the root problem of people getting into such difficult situations in the first place.
Not defending her, just trying to be pragmatic.

Yer Da sells Avon

the_syco wrote: »

How many convictions before you class them as vermin?

Why would I want to class another human being as 'vermin'? Whatever crimes they've committed, they're no more 'vermin' than you are.

Peatys

corner of hells wrote: »

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

All about context.

CeilingFly

Lydia Millions Varnish wrote: »

We dont have a good record when it comes to children in the care of the state.
Looking after five kids is a lot of work. Putting someone in prison is expensive.
She is in a very difficult situation. I think it's better to address the root problem of people getting into such difficult situations in the first place.
Not defending her, just trying to be pragmatic.

138 convictions!!!!

All with FREE legal aid - paid for courtesy of the tax payer.

Add in garda time, prosecution costs, witness costs, the cost of the crimea themselves and the obvious countless crimes she wasn't caught for.

Prison is best value by a mile.

Yer Da sells Avon

CeilingFly wrote: »

the cost of the crimea themselves

Crimea river.

badtoro

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

People aren't vermin.

You're mixing with the wrong crowd if you think that's not possible.

Graces7

Lydia Millions Varnish wrote: »

We dont have a good record when it comes to children in the care of the state.
Looking after five kids is a lot of work. Putting someone in prison is expensive.
She is in a very difficult situation. I think it's better to address the root problem of people getting into such difficult situations in the first place.
Not defending her, just trying to be pragmatic.

Very well said. Thank you

Graces7

badtoro wrote: »

You're mixing with the wrong crowd if you think that's not possible.

Back at you vice versa on that.

Graces7

the_syco wrote: »

How many convictions before you class them as vermin?

You don't. Ever.

screamer

With a "role model" like that, what chance do the children of this "very good mother" have?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Fann Linn wrote: »

Lots of people are vermin, i'll start the list for you:
Fr.Brendan Smyth.

He's the first name to come to mind.

Ever see the infamous photo of him outside the forecourts, looking his most evil?.. Well I was on an escort and right behind that photographer and it was the most evil look I've ever seen from anyone.

That guy is lower than a vermin.

There are lots of people lower than vermin.

dan1895

Someone acts like vermin so gets called vermin. But we shouldn't call them that because Nazis.

F*ck right off.

Tell me how

Lydia Millions Varnish wrote:

We dont have a good record when it comes to children in the care of the state. Looking after five kids is a lot of work. Putting someone in prison is expensive. She is in a very difficult situation. I think it's better to address the root problem of people getting into such difficult situations in the first place. Not defending her, just trying to be pragmatic.

You are defending her.
1-3-8!!

There has to be individual responsibility and that would help someone stop far short of committing enough crimes to be caught and convicted 138 times.

If not, then no one should be in prison because they can blame it on society for not helping them with their difficulties.

This person has likely been receiving rent allowance, welfare payments, children's allowance, access to social workers etc for a large portion of their life. The have had help with root problems.

If you held your breath and counted to 138, one number a second, you'd pass out before you finished.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Nah, she's a person, just like you.

Nah not just like me. Has 138 convictions, that's the rap sheet of a scumbag. It seems calling someone scum or a scumbag is more of an offense to some than the actual crimes these tramps commit. I remember luvvies getting their knickers in a twist when the LIDL robbing scumbags were branded scum. They are scum. End of.

Blazer

dan1895 wrote: »

Someone acts like vermin so gets called vermin. But we shouldn't call them that because Nazis.

F*ck right off.

absolutely right,...if you're going to act like a complete scumbag and vermin then they should be called as is...
I can't wait for the day society cops the **** on and starts sterilizing all these scum to prevent them from pushing out more toerags.
Imagine we could wipe out all the vermin within one generation. And by natural causes..suck on that do-gooders.

Omackeral

Graces7 wrote: »

You don't. Ever.

Child killers and serial pedophilic rapists are no better than vermin.

corks finest

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Fann Linn wrote: »

Right angles!

Acute little angles.

Nice

corner of hells

Blazer wrote: »

absolutely right,...if you're going to act like a complete scumbag and vermin then they should be called as is...
I can't wait for the day society cops the **** on and starts sterilizing all these scum to prevent them from pushing out more toerags.
Imagine we could wipe out all the vermin within one generation. And by natural causes..suck on that do-gooders.

Sorta like what Hitler wanted ?