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"Very good mother", avoids jail

Sultan of Bling

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/very-good-mother-shoplifted-toys-for-her-children-in-difficult-circumstances-court-hears-36781955.html

Caught shoplifting and fighting outside a pub, but she's a very good mother.

Oh yeah and only the 138 previous convictions.

Can the govt not sell the prime real estate land that prisons in Dublin and other towns and cities are built on and build more and bigger prisons elsewhere on unused land so we can clear vermin like this off the street.

The gardai must be tearing their hair out.

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Yer Da sells Avon

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

mikemac2

From the title I expected a rant over a soft judge

But it was her solicitor who said it. They say similar for everyone they represent

Sorry OP, not getting the outrage here

average_runner

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

True they are not vermin, they are a lower form.

Fann Linn

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Lots of people are vermin, i'll start the list for you:
Fr.Brendan Smyth.

Dog walker 1234

138 previous convictions and she gets a one year bond?

How has she time to be a good mother?

wexie

Dog walker 1234 wrote: »

138 previous convictions and she gets a one year bond?

How has she time to be a good mother?

Well she was out stealing toys for her little 'angles'....

Fann Linn

wexie wrote: »

Well she was out stealing toys for her little 'angles'....

Right angles!

Yer Da sells Avon

Fann Linn wrote: »

Right angles!

Acute little angles.

[Deleted User]

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Racking up 138 convictions is making a hell of a go of challenging that though.

suicide_circus

She is 41.

Since she was 18 she amassed 138 convictions.

That is 6 convictions every year for 23 years.

That's commitment.

taylor3

The name says it all 'Joyce'. Age 41 with loads of previous convictions. Ethnic minority.

mynamejeff

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Parasite is a much better description

corner of hells

taylor3 wrote: »

The name says it all 'Joyce'. Age 41 with loads of previous convictions. Ethnic minority.

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

suicide_circus

You could start your own thread, comrade

goose2005

corner of hells wrote: »

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

a notorious drunk, scrounger, lech and cocaine addict

Greybottle

138 convictions means she was caught, successfully charged and successfully convicted 138 times.

Someone with those figures has probably committed well over 1,000 indictable offences, or about one per week.

Its people like that who commit the overwhelming amount of crime in this country.

fxotoole

Any relation to big Joe Joyce, the boxer?

mfceiling

Jaysus my mother has no convictions....she must be like a god.

JJayoo

Imagine all the stuff she has done and gotten away with, all that sweet sweet free legal aid Mmmmmmmm

CeilingFly

When will some members of the judiciary wake up?

I dare her to thieve in kildare and face Zaidan in Naas. He's one of the few that has no issue handing down proper sentences to shoplifting yobs

corner of hells

CeilingFly wrote: »

When will some members of the judiciary wake up?

I dare her to thieve in kildare and face Zaidan in Naas. He's one of the few that has no issue handing down proper sentences to shoplifting yobs

"Not a shop lifter , has 400+ convictions and got an 18 month sentence" .

Judge Zaidan imposed an 18months prison sentence, backdated to March 9, last. He has banned from driving for 15 years.

A CORK MAN who has one of the largest rap sheets in Irish criminal history claims he has never been offered rehab.

Anthony O’Sullivan (30), Araglen Court, DeansRock Estate, Togher is charged with being intoxicated while driving, speeding and having no insurance or licence at Newhall, Naas, on 20 December 2016.

JRant

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Acute little angles.

Don't be so obtuse

Cee-Jay-Cee

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It was her own solicitor who described her as "a very good mother, doing her best in difficult circumstances". She probably isn't "a very good mother", but she isn't "vermin" either. People aren't vermin.

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

Atlantic Dawn

138 previous so a conservative estimate would be she did 5 or 6 times that without being caught, a 'good' mother for sure.

[Deleted User]

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

I'm also really not a fan of the word when used to describe groups of people, the first thing that always comes to mind to me is the nazi language for dehumanising the jews, the 2nd is the hunting sense of animals that can be shot without care

JP Liz V1

corner of hells wrote: »

Just like that fcuker ,James Joyce , writing books and getting his statue put up.

ROTFL

Realt Dearg Sec

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm also really not a fan of the word when used to describe groups of people, the first thing that always comes to mind to me is the nazi language for dehumanising the jews, the 2nd is the hunting sense of animals that can be shot without care

DL Smith wrote a book in 2012 called Less Than Human in which he examines this exact tendency and its sheer prevalence across history. The Nazis are a prime example, of course, but he also shows how dehumanising language was used by the American, Russian, and British governments in describing German soldiers, in order to enable their soldiers to kill them more willingly. Both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict use such language as a matter of routine.

And when anyone wants to victimise a particular group (poor people, migrants, people of other colours, or religions, whatever) you will see, as sure as night follows day, the emergence of a vocabulary of animality, and, also, one that seeks to deindividuate that group (describing people as "swarms" for example). When people are not thought of as people but as swarms, there is no need to have any sympathy or empathy for them, or to care about what happens to them.

None of this is to excuse a woman for having 138 convictions (I don't see how you could excuse it), but I think the thing I hate most about all of these threads about people getting light sentences from soft judges, aside from the predictability of the discussion, is the ease with which people slip into a vocabulary of dehumanisation. It's an ugly instinct that reflects badly on us as civilised people, when we do it.

L.Jenkins

corner of hells wrote: »

"Not a shop lifter , has 400+ convictions and got an 18 month sentence" .

Judge Zaidan imposed an 18months prison sentence, backdated to March 9, last. He has banned from driving for 15 years.

A CORK MAN who has one of the largest rap sheets in Irish criminal history claims he has never been offered rehab.

Anthony O’Sullivan (30), Araglen Court, DeansRock Estate, Togher is charged with being intoxicated while driving, speeding and having no insurance or licence at Newhall, Naas, on 20 December 2016.

Yer Da sells Avon

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Vermin definition: people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.

She is vermin.

Nah, she's a person, just like you.

s7ryf3925pivug

What's a better solution? Putting her in prison would leave five kids without their primary carer. Going to say there's a good chance the fathers are not involved either.

Legal abortion and free contraception is my best idea. But that has no bearing on this specific incident.