Critically panned films that are loved by many

Church on Tuesday

Forgot to mention John Carpenters The Thing previously.

Was bashed by critics at the time due to its bleakness and being released at the same time as E.T. didn't help matters.

Has been reappraised since and I consider it to be the greatest horror film made.

RabbleRouser2k

Tony EH wrote: »

It's only these days that I realise just how big He-Man was in America. Over here it was just a cartoon after school and some naff toy figures.

Strangely enough, they've been trying to get a new version off the ground for donkey's years. They're just dying to try and capture that lightening in a bottle that the old He-Man TV show/toys was. But, they'll never get it. Especially today, when it's mostly adults who buy action figures (Toys R Us can't even make money) and kids TV shows just aren't made of the same content.

There was a reboot in the early 00s, an animated series I mean. Same with Thundercats, also got rebooted. (I think Thundercats was a more popular show over here-that and Gi Joe.)
The MotU movie also came on the end of the MotU tv shows dying popularity.
She-Ra was another strange one-He-mans sister, aimed towards girls.

Cannon films, particularly Menachem Golan, was known to rip pages out of scripts, if he deemed them too expensive to shoot-so you'd get a whole load of plot holes or inconsistencies in their films. You see similar in MotU. Cannon often didn't 'get' cultures in films-so they'd have no clue about say cultural norms or iconic stuff in Western culture.

The Judge Dredd movie-I feel like the first problem was Stallone's weird 'high heels' as Dredd, as well as the shiny cod piece-and it's all downhill from there. It also 'sanitizes' the violence too much-and makes him more a vigilante than a cop. It's such a shame-visually it looks good (the missing half 'x' on the nose-part of the helmet bugs me tho).

There was a great video game of it made for the Super Nintendo and megadrive-much closer to the comics.

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Would not call these 2 films loved. They are more hated I find and I cannot understand why Kevin Costner went from being a well respected actor and film maker to being shown no respect almost overnight. JFK, Field of Dreams, and especially Dances with Wolves were all very much respected whereas Wyatt Earp only got middling respect and Waterworld, The Postman, etc. none. The more lighthearted comedy Tin Cup is perhaps the only Costner film of the mid to late 1990s to get some love.

Apparently Costner's Earp movie was an ego fest for him-and costs spiralled (similar to DwW). They were also competing with Tombstone, which cost almost 40 million less to make, but made more than twice what Costner's Earp did.
He was considered too old for a part of it-like the beginning of the film he's meant to be in his twenties, so cue dodgy wigs to hide almost 40 year old Costner's age. Won two razzie awards as well, one for Costner.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Forgot to mention John Carpenters The Thing previously.

Has been reappraised since and I consider it to be the greatest horror film made.

Love the Thing-speaking of, Carpenter made his own 'Alien come to earth' film called Starman (the studio were offered the script to ET, and Starman-and chose Starman). Got oscar nommed, good reviews, but was mostly overlooked-it's a wonderful film. Saw it as a kid, still love it.

I was surprised Dirty Dancing got very negative reviews on initial release-it's got a massive following, brilliant music, and of course 'Nobody puts baby in the corner'. (Yeah, I like that movie-childhood memories as well). Also has an abortion storyline-in a movie that's rated between 12-15s, depending on re-rating. (All our parents showed us that movie as kids. I remember discussing that with a friend, and she was like 'what were they at showing us that as kids? It's very racy'.)

And part of my Ghost Rider comment got cut off-I was editing and lost it.
I was saying its a shame they didn't do a Bernie Wrigthson inspired Ghost Rider. The late Wrightson was a comic artist who also did concept art for films, such as Ghost Busters, Galaxy Quest, The Mist, and co-created Swamp Thing. He also drew this design of the Rider.

donegal_man

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

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And part of my Ghost Rider comment got cut off-I was editing and lost it.
I was saying its a shame they didn't do a Bernie Wrigthson inspired Ghost Rider. The late Wrightson was a comic artist who also did concept art for films, such as Ghost Busters, Galaxy Quest, The Mist, and co-created Swamp Thing. He also drew this design of the Rider.

A Wrightson version of Ghost Rider would have been epic. If you get a chance check out "Berni Wrightson, Master Of The Macabre" from Pacific, a five book series of his best work.

Tony EH

banie01 wrote: »

In so far as the visuals of Mega City 1 and the subtle nods to both 2000ad and pop culture yes.
Visually the 1st Dredd was close to bang on. The nods to ABC warriors, The Angel gang visuals, even fergie can be forgiven.

As a movie it is terrible though, it introduces a romance arc, unmasks Dredd when one of the primary points is that he is "Faceless"
His character is to my mind at least the faceless epitome of Justice.

That said, Urban's Dredd in that movie with just a few script tweaks and it would be remembered as a classic rather than a cult "what if".

That's what I mean with "all the notes are there". There's stuff thrown in like Hammerstein, Hershey, Judge Griffin and the Angel gang and all that. But, it all feels hollow.

It's definitely a what if. But there's too much in there that's unforgivable.

Much perfer Urban's Dredd, even with the problems of a lower budget etc. It's a pity there'll be no sequel. The American's just still don't get it.

Tony EH

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Forgot to mention John Carpenters The Thing previously.

Was bashed by critics at the time due to its bleakness and being released at the same time as E.T. didn't help matters.

Has been reappraised since and I consider it to be the greatest horror film made.

Well, one of them.

Always astounded at the critical "appraisal" of 'The Thing' in its day. So remarkable. I mean there are movies that are loved by audiences that critics hated, and to be honest most of them are actually shite. But 'The Thing' was a damn classic. Even as a child I knew I was watching something special. Bizzarre, to say the least and the negative reaction did a lot to damage Carpenter's steering of his own career. It really did have a very bad influence on him.

I'll always remember sitting down to a double bill on video of 'The Thing' and 'Aliens'.

Kid me mind blown! :eek:

Tony EH

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

There was a reboot in the early 00s, an animated series I mean. Same with Thundercats, also got rebooted. (I think Thundercats was a more popular show over here-that and Gi Joe.)
The MotU movie also came on the end of the MotU tv shows dying popularity.
She-Ra was another strange one-He-mans sister, aimed towards girls.

I remember 'She-Ra'. But never really watched too much of it. As far as the reboots are concerned, I was just too old for that kind of nonsense by the 00's. Used to like 'Thundercats' in the 80's though. There was a good Speccy game of it too.

:pac: How quaint! Love that 8bit music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtu8IXc2ZA

CastorTroy

Tony EH wrote: »

That's what I mean with "all the notes are there". There's stuff thrown in like Hammerstein, Hershey, Judge Griffin and the Angel gang and all that. But, it all feels hollow.

It's definitely a what if. But there's too much in there that's unforgivable.

Much perfer Urban's Dredd, even with the problems of a lower budget etc. It's a pity there'll be no sequel. The American's just still don't get it.

We're getting the Mega-City One series, which may or may not tie into the Dredd movie.
I also liked to think of the Karl Urban series, Almost Human, as a prequel to Dredd.

Tony EH

CastorTroy wrote: »

We're getting the Mega-City One series,

Wait...what?

Switches on the Google machine to check...


fck me, you're right! But, has the potential to be great or rubbish.

titan18

Space Jam was pretty hated but critics but I doubt I'm the only one who loved it. Not just nostalgia either as whilst not as good as when I was a child, I watched it recently and still enjoyed it.

RabbleRouser2k

Tony EH wrote: »

I remember 'She-Ra'. But never really watched too much of it. As far as the reboots are concerned, I was just too old for that kind of nonsense by the 00's. Used to like 'Thundercats' in the 80's though. There was a good Speccy game of it too.

:pac: How quaint! Love that 8bit music.

Was it released, or was it abandonware? I was still watching cartoons then, tbh I still am.

I never saw many of these shows until recently-Thundercats, He-man etc were not aired by Rte. A darn shame. The toys still sold tho.

titan18 wrote: »

Space Jam was pretty hated but critics but I doubt I'm the only one who loved it. Not just nostalgia either as whilst not as good as when I was a child, I watched it recently and still enjoyed it.

I know a lot of people who love it-I have no idea why. That and Looney Tunes : back in action are just...meh. LT:BIA isn't liked by the director tho. Space Jam is really just an extended advert, inspired by a series of Nike adverts.

I love Who Framed Roger Rabbit-that's why the above do nothing for me. Interestingly, Uli Meyer, who's studio worked on SJ and who himself did Roger Rabbit, was planning his own feature film-The Duck. He did a short, proof of concept film-invested lots of money into it. And it never happened.

Shame, you can see tons of influences in it. Even he admits he made mistakes with it tho.

https://vimeo.com/236624998

Tony EH

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Was it released, or was it abandonware? I was still watching cartoons then, tbh I still am.

It was released alright. Around 1987. I remember I had it on a tape, recorded off a friends copy, which was a copy of a copy.

No instructions. Hadn't a clue what I was doing.

http://www.crashonline.org.uk/46/thundercats.htm

CastorTroy

Sorry for keeping off topic, but safe to say I watched more He-Man and She-Ra than GI Joe. Don't think I saw much or any of that. Watched Thundercats and was actually kinda disappointed the new series got cancelled. Watched some of the newer He-Man as well. Did not like the New Adventures series which was clearly just for selling all new toys.

Church on Tuesday

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, one of them.

Always astounded at the critical "appraisal" of 'The Thing' in its day. So remarkable. I mean there are movies that are loved by audiences that critics hated, and to be honest most of them are actually shite. But 'The Thing' was a damn classic. Even as a child I knew I was watching something special. Bizzarre, to say the least and the negative reaction did a lot to damage Carpenter's steering of his own career. It really did have a very bad influence on him.

I'll always remember sitting down to a double bill on video of 'The Thing' and 'Aliens'.

Kid me mind blown! :eek:

I know, crazy looking back now.

Even the great Ennio Morricone's haunting theme for The Thing was nominated for a razzie! :eek:

RabbleRouser2k

Has anyone watched the Untouchables more recently? It's pretty bad.

The music is overblown, the acting is a mixed bag, the lesser knowns doing a better job than the big names. Costner is wooden, and Sean Connery's Irish accent is appalling. (he won an Oscar that year-which is shocking in retrospect).
Btw, Ennio Morricone is a great composer, but someone was messing with his music in the 80s-the sound editor or something-because in the Untouchables,it's often far too loud-the mix is all wrong.

CrankyHaus

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Has anyone watched the Untouchables more recently? It's pretty bad.

The music is overblown, the acting is a mixed bag, the lesser knowns doing a better job than the big names. Costner is wooden, and Sean Connery's Irish accent is appalling. (he won an Oscar that year-which is shocking in retrospect).
Btw, Ennio Morricone is a great composer, but someone was messing with his music in the 80s-the sound editor or something-because in the Untouchables,it's often far too loud-the mix is all wrong.

Yes, I rewatched it last year. It didn't stand up as well as I remembered but I still thought it was pretty good.

I agree about the music, it's the only Morricone film music I've come across that I thought was poor. It sounds like a mocking pastiche of 1920's music that would be more at home in a Coen Brothers' film.

Connery's accent is, or lack therof, is dreadful but in other respects I thought the acting in the film was good to excellent. The big names weren't giving career-best performances though.

I actually quite like the Battleship Potemkin rip-off/homage scene on the steps.

Wasn’t ‘interview with the vampire’ panned when it came out ?

I think it’s a great flick.

Turtwig

Masters of the universe was a disaster during production. It's kind of amazing they finished the thing.

This cinefix video is rather good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiFMaZUKhkM

RabbleRouser2k

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn’t ‘interview with the vampire’ panned when it came out ?

I think it’s a great flick.

Not panned-the other one, Queen of the Damned was panned, and quite rightly-it's f***ing terrible. Interview is a wonderful film.

Oprah Winfrey walked out of IwtV. She was squeamish, to say the least. It also won a Razzie for worst screen couple for Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, tho that may be the Razzies' having a laugh. Siskel and Ebert loved it, admitting it had some flaws.

The film all but could have been a massive disaster.
River Phoenix was cast in Christian Slater's role-but he died before shooting began. Daniel Day Lewis was cast as Lestat, he quit. Johnny Depp was then cast, and he quit 3 weeks before shooting, so they hired Tom Cruise.
Brad Pitt tried to get out of the film-but was told he'd have to pay 40 million or so to void his contract. (The makeup and contact lenses were a nightmare-actors had to hang upside for 30 minutes to make the veins in their face pop, and then traced by makeup artists-every day, or before every scene-Pitt hated it, as he was almost blind with the lenses. On the other hand, Tom Cruise made jokes during the process-he was often in the makeup chair for 3 hours, and had some really intensive makeup work).

Anne Rice hated Tom Cruise's casting, (then saw the film and took out an advert calling it a masterpiece)-could all have ended the film, and Jordan's career. Instead, it was the biggest hit of Jordan's CV.

Also an 18s rated movie with a $60 million budget in 1994 was a huge gamble, especially when compared to a family oriented movie like Jurassic Park costing only slightly more at $63 million. It was massively successful, and then some.

Tony EH

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Has anyone watched the Untouchables more recently? It's pretty bad.

It's a typical Brian De Palma film really. Never understood the acclaim he recieves. His films are always a mixed bag.

Even his best stuff, like 'Casualties of War' which, despite being largely well done, has scenes in it that should have been reshot or cut completely.

allybhoy

I would imagine the Transformers series firmly falls into this category... all 5 movies received extremely poor reviews (and rightly so) and yet its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time... 4.5 billion dollars in box office sales....

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Transformers#tab=summary

BuilderPlumber

allybhoy wrote: »

I would imagine the Transformers series firmly falls into this category... all 5 movies received extremely poor reviews (and rightly so) and yet its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time... 4.5 billion dollars in box office sales....

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Transformers#tab=summary

I attempted to watch one of these Transformers films a while back. Only got 15 minutes into it and I had to turn it off. Useless.

Herlihy82

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Forgot to mention John Carpenters The Thing previously

Has been reappraised since and I consider it to be the greatest horror film made.

Glad to see The Thing mentioned. Rewatched again recently. Really stands up well. Characters in extreme conditions very well portrayed and non-digital special effects still amazing.

Hurrache

Scarface came up in the thread a while ago, this related story was published recently
http://amp.vulture.com/2018/04/revisiting-the-controversy-surrounding-scarface.html

RabbleRouser2k

allybhoy wrote: »

I would imagine the Transformers series firmly falls into this category... all 5 movies received extremely poor reviews (and rightly so) and yet its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time... 4.5 billion dollars in box office sales....

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Transformers#tab=summary

I've only met one person who liked those movies-One.

J Mysterio

Hudson Hawk. Huge flop, Box Office disaster, panned by critics. Strangely good.

Tar.Aldarion

Waterworld is the epitome of this.


Fro me personally it would be Mortal Kombat.

RabbleRouser2k

J Mysterio wrote: »

Hudson Hawk. Huge flop, Box Office disaster, panned by critics. Strangely good.

Mark Kermode, who's a really fun film critic, loves that film. He gives a great rundown of the best box office flops-Big Budget Catastrophes of Pure Joy, on youtube. He also loves Howard the Duck.

I watched Dune about two years ago, and it's really visually interesting, but also equally terrible. If you can see that film, give it a look. But afterwards see Alexander Jodorowsky's Dune, a documentary about his abandoned Dune film. It would have been impossible to make for anything other than a huge budget (At the time, now it could be made for a reasonable amount).

Apparently Showgirls is treated like Rocky Horror Picture Show, or the Room-plays to packed cinemas at cult showings.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Waterworld is the epitome of this.


Fro me personally it would be Mortal Kombat.

Which MK? The first one, which S and E liked, or the second one, which is so bad but you can't look away?

BailMeOut

Has Caddyshack being mentioned? Huge cult following but hated by critics.

Stone Deaf 4evr

J Mysterio wrote: »

Hudson Hawk. Huge flop, Box Office disaster, panned by critics. Strangely good.

hudson hawk is awesome! "woudl you like to swing on a star, carry moonbeams home in a jar"

BuilderPlumber

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Waterworld is the epitome of this.

My main problem with Waterworld is that it has one of the least interesting post apocalypse worlds. Compared to Mad Max's Wasteland, The Handmaid's Tale's Gilead or even Costner's The Postman's 'Gilead'-like America, Waterworld just is not interesting as an environment. There is good action and the film perhaps didn't deserve all the negative publicity but one cannot help feeling it was a ripoff of land-based post apocalyptic and dystopian films set on a less interesting water based world.

RabbleRouser2k

LoonyLovegood wrote: »

I remember that Juno was 12s in the UK and 15s here. (Shock, Ireland overreacting to teen pregnancy whut?)

Back on topic, Con Air is a film I can watch over and over again, without fail.

It wasn't the teen pregnancy-it was the swearing. When the movie hit DVD in the UK, it got bumped up to a 15s.

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

My main problem with Waterworld is that it has one of the least interesting post apocalypse worlds. Compared to Mad Max's Wasteland, The Handmaid's Tale's Gilead or even Costner's The Postman's 'Gilead'-like America, Waterworld just is not interesting as an environment. There is good action and the film perhaps didn't deserve all the negative publicity but one cannot help feeling it was a ripoff of land-based post apocalyptic and dystopian films set on a less interesting water based world.

That's sort of a similar problem I have with it too-it's too 'clean'. Go watch any other post-apocalyptic movie, and they're more downtrodden and dirty. You get no real sense of despair in WW either, which sort of makes the whole 'mission' boring. Waterworld looks too fun to be a doom filled place.

restive

Although not critically panned. I always liked men in black 3. By far the best in the series. It seems to have a bad rap in some quarters.

RabbleRouser2k

restive wrote: »

Although not critically panned. I always liked men in black 3. By far the best in the series. It seems to have a bad rap in some quarters.

A lot of problems behind the set apparently-Will Smith was being a jerk, everything from the size of his trailer, to demanding rewrites including the ending. He also wanted Jaden to play young him, and the latter Barry Sonnenfeld wouldn't cave to.

It's the only film that he doesn't sing on-Pitbull does the movie's main track, rather than him.

I like it too, I think Josh Brolin is great in it, I like Alice Eve even though she's not in it much. I miss Rip Torn, tho.

BuilderPlumber

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

That's sort of a similar problem I have with it too-it's too 'clean'. Go watch any other post-apocalyptic movie, and they're more downtrodden and dirty. You get no real sense of despair in WW either, which sort of makes the whole 'mission' boring. Waterworld looks too fun to be a doom filled place.

That is true. Waterworld was really a pirate movie more than anything else but set in the future. Unlike the wasteland depicted in say Mad Max or Gilead in The Handmaid's Tale, the waterworld is not something one would be fascinated about. It is true there is no despair and it looks like all enjoy this watery home. Kevin Costner's half man half fish character does not convince as an aquatic Mad Max either.

My main fault with Costner's other 1990s apocalyptic film The Postman was the lack of explanation of how America became fascist. The Handmaid's Tale series has filled that gap in for me and one of the many strengths of this series is how well it explains Gilead's formation.

RabbleRouser2k

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

That is true. Waterworld was really a pirate movie more than anything else but set in the future. Unlike the wasteland depicted in say Mad Max or Gilead in The Handmaid's Tale, the waterworld is not something one would be fascinated about. It is true there is no despair and it looks like all enjoy this watery home. Kevin Costner's half man half fish character does not convince as an aquatic Mad Max either.

My main fault with Costner's other 1990s apocalyptic film The Postman was the lack of explanation of how America became fascist. The Handmaid's Tale series has filled that gap in for me and one of the many strengths of this series is how well it explains Gilead's formation.

It's sort of the same problem that Cutthroat Island has-everyone's coiffed and groomed to within an inch of their life. The story is a problem from the get go, as is pretty much all the cast, but the first scene where these 'pirates' look like they've stepped out of a L'oreal/ Calvin Klein commercial is a sign somethings' wrong.

Has anyone mentioned Xanadu-has some wonderful music, and the animated 'Don't Walk Away' is a really great sequence. The rest of the film is a bit 'meh'.

Waternotsoda

I saw xmen dark phoenix last night. I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. I actually found the villains quite good. Mistique dying early was satisfying. Far superior to previous outing apocalypse.

Surprised it was panned.

Mad_maxx

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Anyone watch Forrest Gump recently its the most atrocious movie i have ever seen yet won Best Picture etc. I know I'm reversing the thread topic but what a stinker in every respect and Tom Hanks performance is puke inducing.

Only a left winger would say such a thing

Mad_maxx

Transformers

Mad_maxx

Commando

starlit

PS I love you was such a let down of a film while the book itself was a way better and more enjoyable to read. They changed the story of the film too much from the book. Some films have turned out better than the what the critics and reviews out there. Can't stand the '50 shades' movies I don't see what the hype is all about. They just silly. Could only watch one of them and was bored and wanted to leave after the first hour was pure utter rubbish. I'd rather watch the twilight movies or a scary movie! Romantic comedies or something funny is more worth watching. Movies with a good story is what I prefer and that keep me interested for the full time film is on. Suppose everyone has different tastes.

RabbleRouser2k

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Only a left winger would say such a thing

I can't watch that movie-well, I can watch the effects work that's 'mostly' aged pretty well.

The rest of the movie... it's TV movie of the week. On the other hand, its competition, Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction, I've watched more than I care to admit-they're masterclasses in film making. (Surprising, because one was made by a first time director, and the second was only the third directorial effort from that director).

The thing about Forest Gump is, I LOVE the director's other movies-Back to the Future trilogy, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, even Cast Away I've learned to appreciate as time went on (I used to think the Epilogue wasn't needed-I was wrong).

mikemac2

Simone

Got terrible reviews. A little known Al Pacino film.

I loved it and watched it 3 times

Ash.J.Williams

Freddie got fingered is the greatest movie ever made hands down second to none

TheIrishGrover

I love "The Rock". It's a strange movie: You have all the typical offensiveness of a typical Michael Bay movie: Misogyny, homophobia, racism, inability-to-have-a-shot-last-more-than-2-seconds, terrible TERRIBLE dialogue, incoherent editing and plot loop-holes (Why did Sean Connery spend so much time memorising the sequence of the flames from the still-working boiler when there was a door beside it which he opened for the rest of the team - He memorised the sequence to break IN?)..... All the usual Bay trash.

But for some reason, I do enjoy The Rock. You have Cage going full-on-mainstream-Cage (As opposed to totally unhinged Cage); you have Kyle Reece/Hicks... I mean Michael Biehn. You have Ed Harris giving a thoughtful performance (Well, for a Bay-movie anyway. I wonder if he knew he was in a Bay movie ) and you have Sean Connery.

I mean I also enjoy Armageddon to a lesser degree. Still fun but the silliness overwhelms it. But, like any sentient being, I find the rest of his movies to be an offense to the senses and generally just offensive.

So yeah, The Rock. Stupid STUPID fun

chalkitdown1

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I love "The Rock". It's a strange movie: You have all the typical offensiveness of a typical Michael Bay movie: Misogyny, homophobia, racism, inability-to-have-a-shot-last-more-than-2-seconds, terrible TERRIBLE dialogue, incoherent editing and plot loop-holes (Why did Sean Connery spend so much time memorising the sequence of the flames from the still-working boiler when there was a door beside it which he opened for the rest of the team - He memorised the sequence to break IN?)..... All the usual Bay trash.

But for some reason, I do enjoy The Rock. You have Cage going full-on-mainstream-Cage (As opposed to totally unhinged Cage); you have Kyle Reece/Hicks... I mean Michael Biehn. You have Ed Harris giving a thoughtful performance (Well, for a Bay-movie anyway. I wonder if he knew he was in a Bay movie ) and you have Sean Connery.

The Rock is a legitimately great action movie, IMO. Even critics at the time liked it. I disagree about the dialogue being terrible. Sure, there's some cheesy stuff (fúck the prom queen etc) but there's some genuinely great lines also. All the stuff with Ed Harris and his team is fantastic. The shower room scene is one of the highlights of the movie and it's just Ed Harris and Michael Biehn shouting at each other. I do agree however that Ed Harris didn't realize what kind of movie he was in. :pac: He goes ALL IN on this perfomance which is probably why he's so good and one of the best villians of the 90's.

Speaking of which, I miss the days when action movies had memorable or well-written bad guys; The Rock, Die Hard, Robocop, Leon, Face/Off, Con-Air etc. The 80's & 90's had LOADS.

Nowadays, bad guys are so bland and forgettable, particularly in all these comic book movies. Thanos & Loki are probably the only good ones out of 20+ movies. How can you have a hit rate that bad?

Dades

The Rock and Armageddon are pure Michael Bay. Fantastic fun, both of 'em.

Two of those movies that when they appear on TV, cancel your plans for the next two hours.

Ash.J.Williams

for the people who like a good action movie, i really enjoyed Angel has fallen even though i expected nothing!

PressRun

Tony EH wrote: »

Always astounded at the critical "appraisal" of 'The Thing' in its day. So remarkable. I mean there are movies that are loved by audiences that critics hated, and to be honest most of them are actually shite. But 'The Thing' was a damn classic. Even as a child I knew I was watching something special. Bizzarre, to say the least and the negative reaction did a lot to damage Carpenter's steering of his own career. It really did have a very bad influence on him.

I remember reading a quote from him where someone was saying that it's great that the movie has become such a cult classic and Carpenter just replied "cult classics don't put food on the table" or something to that effect.

He thought his career would have been very different if The Thing hadn't been so poorly understood at the time, and he's probably right. I believe he lost a deal with a big studio over it?

Oasis1974

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Has anyone watched the Untouchables more recently? It's pretty bad.

The music is overblown, the acting is a mixed bag, the lesser knowns doing a better job than the big names. Costner is wooden, and Sean Connery's Irish accent is appalling. (he won an Oscar that year-which is shocking in retrospect).
Btw, Ennio Morricone is a great composer, but someone was messing with his music in the 80s-the sound editor or something-because in the Untouchables,it's often far too loud-the mix is all wrong.

Damn I could watch that movie a hundred times really love it. Think it stood the test of time well Costner was always a bit monotone like Keanu Reeves.

El Duda

Romero's dawn of the Dead was slated at the time I think. 5 star classic now.

Twin Peaks FWWM as well. Boo'd at cannes. I've seen it twice and it is a masterpiece.