Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Dyr

Any chance that Aoidhan O'Riordain will wind up spending some time in Mountjoy? Silver lining and all that?

LynnGrace

Deleted User wrote: »

She sat in a separate room viewing the trial on a video screen after she gave testimony. Throughout her testimony however, while she was screened from the general public, she was on a video screen displayed to all. Only the judge, the jury and the barristers could see her, but she was displayed on video screen to the public when providing testimony.

(I think the above was documented in the Irish Times but can't locate the actual article right now)

That was my understanding also from the Times article. It was linked on here yesterday. It is worth reading, I will see if I can find it again.

Church on Tuesday

It's a murky and lurid mess.

None of us here will ever truly know what went on that night.

And yeah lads, not all lads, tend to be pretty cavalier about their sexual exploits and general attitude toward women in general.

At the end of the day it really is a question of respect. But, and lets be honest here, once you add copious amounts of alcohol into a situation like this, common sense, respect etc tends to go out the window a bit. It can lead to a lot of confusion.

That goes for both genders BTW.

hill16bhoy

Uncharted wrote: »

This thread is proving to be a microcosm of the 'new woke female' attitude.

Full of vitriol and bile. Offended for the sake of being offended. Spinning lies and falsehoods to bolster any case,even ones that have been resolved in a court of law.

Imagine some of these will go on to be parents to young kids. Imagine the endless gender neutral,entitled sjw,perma-offended,hateful brainwashing that will take place. It's truly grim. It's gonna be a very scary world to be a man.

Yeah, as a man myself, I'm desperately, desperately scared.

Sure I can't even walk down to the shop for a newspaper and 20 cigarettes and the "libtard patrol" want to put me in jail because I'm not transgender.

"Offended for the sake of being offended" is a real good one.

Depp

Depp wrote: »

Yeah it seems very unfair that the public would have access at all, definitely not the right way to go about it. Just seems perverse to have a gallery of gawkers in for such a sensitive issue. Anonymity for both parties like here is a much better way of doing it aswel the way the case was dragged through social/conventional media has been disgusting at times.

Justice can still be "seen" to be done in public- i.e. the Jury has full view/access to everything, and of course, the journalists. Maybe they'll reconsider after this trial and amend their laws relating to such trials.

There were reports in the papers of people fighting over seats- a true "circus" for such a serious and grave case- pure public voyeurism.

LynnGrace

LynnGrace wrote: »

That was my understanding also from the Times article. It was linked on here yesterday. It is worth reading, I will see if I can find it again.

If it's the same article, it was actually very good- it outlined all of the key facts of the case throughout- a good piece of journalism

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When I read that in the papers, it really brought home to me the difference between ROI and NI trials.

Public (excepting journalists) aren't allowed in ROI rape trials- I never knew that. And I don't see why they needed the video link on her throughout testimony for the public to see in the NI trial- obviously it's their legal system.

I can understand why the jury need to be able to read the body language etc of ANYONE giving testimony- but why the public?

Agreed its a bizarre approach especially in a small place like Belfast.

Are the public definitely excluded from rape trials here? I ask as i was at a trial supporting a friend who had been sexually abused as a child and the court was open to the public and they had no annonymity in court but the press were not allowed name the complainants ( there were three)

Sidebaro

Uncharted wrote:

This thread is proving to be a microcosm of the 'new woke female' attitude.

Uncharted wrote:

Full of vitriol and bile. Offended for the sake of being offended. Spinning lies and falsehoods to bolster any case,even ones that have been resolved in a court of law.

Uncharted wrote:

Imagine some of these will go on to be parents to young kids. Imagine the endless gender neutral,entitled sjw,perma-offended,hateful brainwashing that will take place. It's truly grim. It's gonna be a very scary world to be a man.

Thank God the men are behaving so honourable! Take off the blinkers.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Agreed its a bizarre approach especially in a small place like Belfast.

Are the public definitely excluded from rape trials here? I ask as i was at a trial supporting a friend who had been sexually abused as a child and the court was open to the public and they had no annonymity in court but the press were not allowed name the complainants ( there were three)

Well, I stand corrected so, if that's your experience here in ROI. It was either RTE or a newspaper article, I can't remember which one, that said ROI rape trials, public were excluded.

EDIT- here you go.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/how-rape-trials-in-republic-differ-from-those-in-north-1.3443644

Christy42

Mokuba wrote: »

And the likes of the one from 50 pages ago, who said she would have had 4 innocent men locked up?

Bad apples on both sides. Not representative of the majority.

The world and the people in it are never going to be as you want it. Some people will say mean things. Thats life.

Indeed but those individuals can be shown up as utter ****s and let's be fair they are a bit more extreme than I believe her.

Given I have seen more complaining about the I believe her stuff I am pretty sure my own post was bringing more balance to the both sides have bad eggs!

Outlaw Pete

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I just find it odd that people are trying to dictate of what two consenting adults do.

It's all about control....

Esther Vilar wrote about it in her book The Manipulated Man. She predicted pretty much everything we're seeing today. Obviously not with regards to social media and the advent of the Internet (it was 1971, she wasn't Nostradamus :P) but it's scary how accurate she got some of the societal issues we are dealing with today, especially with regards to sexual politics and the seemingly never ending demonization of male sexuality.

I would agree with those who stay steer clear of those who use terms such as toxic masculinity and rape culture. Avoid them like the plague. When I look at how many of that crowd at the Spire were young girls I genuinely fear for young men today. Hopefully that group is not too representative of our youth culture but sadly all signs are that it very well might be.

LynnGrace

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's the same article, it was actually very good- it outlined all of the key facts of the case throughout- a good piece of journalism

Agreed. This is it;

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/inside-court-12-the-complete-story-of-the-belfast-rape-trial-1.3443620

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, I stand corrected so, if that's your experience here in ROI. It was either RTE or a newspaper article, I can't remember which one, that said ROI rape trials, public were excluded.

EDIT- here you go.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/how-rape-trials-in-republic-differ-from-those-in-north-1.3443644

Ill read it later thanks.

It could well be that there are different rules for rape trials versus sexual abuse. The trial i was at was in relation to offences committed in the 80s and open to the public but reporting on the identity of the complainants was not allowed during or after the trial.

The accused was named after he was found guilty

Depp

Stheno wrote: »

Ill read it later thanks.

It could well be that there are different rules for rape trials versus sexual abuse. The trial i was at was in relation to offences committed in the 80s and open to the public but reporting on the identity of the complainants was not allowed during or after the trial.

The accused was named after he was found guilty

It's also new enough legislation I think, 2017 as far as I know but I could be wrong.

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's all about power....

Esther Vilar wrote about it in her book The Manipulated Man. She predicted pretty much everything we're seeing today. Obviously not with regards to social media and the advent of the Internet (it was 1971, she wasn't Nostradamus :P) but it's scary how accurate she got some of the societal issues we are dealing with today, especially with regards to sexual politics and the seemingly never ending demonization of male sexuality.

I would agree with those who stay steer clear of those who use terms such as toxic masculinity and rape culture. Avoid them like the plague. When I look at how many of that crowd at the Spire were young girls I genuinely fear for young men today. Hopefully that group is not too representative of our youth culture today but sadly all signs are that it very well might be.

Some complain about this protesters being perpetual victims and we have stuff like this here. Many in the protest seemed to be annoyed at the

As a young man I am not scared of feminism. I really see nothing to fear. This is just over the top nonsense. Some disagreed with the result, a more sensible amount I saw interviewed were annoyed with how the woman was treated during the trial and I can see how parts of it would be traumatising.

Stheno

Depp wrote: »

It's also new enough legislation I think, 2017 as far as I know but I could be wrong.

Ah that would explain it, i think 2015 was the year of the trial i was at

steddyeddy

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's a murky and lurid mess.

None of us here will ever truly know what went on that night.

And yeah lads, not all lads, tend to be pretty cavalier about their sexual exploits and general attitude toward women in general.

At the end of the day it really is a question of respect. But, and lets be honest here, once you add copious amounts of alcohol into a situation like this, common sense, respect etc tends to go out the window a bit. It can lead to a lot of confusion.

That goes for both genders BTW.

There was nothing confusing about the Whatsap messages these guys sent. What they wrote wouldn't be out of place in a Glasgow back alley on Saturday night. They acted liked low lives, alcohol or not. All this despite having been recipients on a decent education.

tritium

hill16bhoy wrote: »

A lot of the neurotic, women-hating goading post-trial is certainly tied into alt-right thinking.

I can accept a verdict and I think most people can. I can accept that the defendants have the right to resume their careers.

It seems others can't accept entirely legitimate democratic protests they disagree with, or that some people still believe the complainant.

What sort of thinking is the considerable amount of neurotic man hating thinking we’ve seen post trial linked to?

Heres Johnny

steddyeddy wrote: »

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's a murky and lurid mess.

None of us here will ever truly know what went on that night.

And yeah lads, not all lads, tend to be pretty cavalier about their sexual exploits and general attitude toward women in general.

At the end of the day it really is a question of respect. But, and lets be honest here, once you add copious amounts of alcohol into a situation like this, common sense, respect etc tends to go out the window a bit. It can lead to a lot of confusion.

That goes for both genders BTW.

There was nothing confusing about the Whatsap messages these guys sent. What they wrote wouldn't be out of place in a Glasgow back alley on Saturday night. They acted liked low lives, alcohol or not. All this despite having been recipients on a decent education.

Careful now, there could be someone from Glasgow reading this.

#Glasgowlivesmatter

dark crystal

Uncharted wrote: »

This thread is proving to be a microcosm of the 'new woke female' attitude.

Full of vitriol and bile. Offended for the sake of being offended. Spinning lies and falsehoods to bolster any case,even ones that have been resolved in a court of law.

Imagine some of these will go on to be parents to young kids. Imagine the endless gender neutral,entitled sjw,perma-offended,hateful brainwashing that will take place. It's truly grim. It's gonna be a very scary world to be a man.

Seriously, take a break from the internet for a while. I honestly don't know anyone in my social circle, workplace or family who holds these hateful views on men. Not one. If you know one or more who does, keep your distance and get on with your life.

What's scary is this divide that's growing between the genders and it's going on on both sides. I've only ever encountered it on the internet which would make you wonder, who's driving it?

The paranoia this gender war crap stirs up is what's grim; we're not all out to get you jailed and castrated and you're not all out to rape us and keep us downtrodden. open your eyes and take a look around the real world and don't get so carried away getting nosebleeds about some fictional dystopian future the internet loons have you believing in.

pumpkin4life

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's all about control....

Esther Vilar wrote about it in her book The Manipulated Man. She predicted pretty much everything we're seeing today. Obviously not with regards to social media and the advent of the Internet (it was 1971, she wasn't Nostradamus :P) but it's scary how accurate she got some of the societal issues we are dealing with today, especially with regards to sexual politics and the seemingly never ending demonization of male sexuality.

I would agree with those who stay steer clear of those who use terms such as toxic masculinity and rape culture. Avoid them like the plague. When I look at how many of that crowd at the Spire were young girls I genuinely fear for young men today. Hopefully that group is not too representative of our youth culture today but sadly all signs are that it very well might be.

I think one of the things that has happened is that these women have been put into these bullshìt leftist liberal arts courses (English in UCD) for example and are coming out of these courses wired to look for issues and victimization that isn't there. I posted about this before: that it's smart but not very smart people that tend to be the easiest to be radicalized (left or right), and people who end up in these courses tend to be that level of intelligence.

There's other problems as well. The technology sector of Dublin (in particular the HR departments) are now getting populated with people like this, and that's going to hurt your company because there will be a mysterious spike in sexual assault, harassment and groping of wans.

Also, avoid any man that calls himself a male feminist or brags on facebook about the rights of women. Everyone knows what that lad is and what he wants: King Schnake.

steddyeddy

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Careful now, there could be someone from Glasgow reading this.

#Glasgowlivesmatter

Apologies, my boss is from Glasgow. It doesn't change the fact that these men behaved like low lives.

Sofiztikated

pumpkin4life wrote: »

I think one of the things that has happened is that these women have been put into these bullshìt leftist liberal arts courses (English in UCD) for example and are coming out of these courses wired to look for issues and victimization that isn't there. I posted about this before: that it's smart but not very smart people that tend to be the easiest to be radicalized (left or right), and people who end up in these courses tend to be that level of intelligence.

There's other problems as well. The technology sector of Dublin (in particular the HR departments) are now getting populated with people like this, and that's going to hurt your company because there will be a mysterious spike in sexual assault, harassment and groping of wans.

Also, avoid any man that calls himself a male feminist or brags on facebook about the rights of women. Everyone knows what that lad is and what he wants: King Schnake.

You're literally telling women they've nothing to fear, and then go on to say except the lads that want in your pants.

Heres Johnny

steddyeddy wrote: »

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Careful now, there could be someone from Glasgow reading this.

#Glasgowlivesmatter

Apologies, my boss is from Glasgow. It doesn't change the fact that these men behaved like low lives.

I'm only messing, work away!!

Franz Von Peppercorn

LynnGrace wrote: »

Agreed. This is it;

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/inside-court-12-the-complete-story-of-the-belfast-rape-trial-1.3443620

Some extraordinary cross examination there. I’m no sjw but I fail to see the reason for the use of the underwear.

I can't believe the stupidity and downright disregard for law of that Moderator-deleted post just now - I hope they'll be reported to PSNI.

FrancieBrady

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Some extraordinary cross examination there. I’m no sjw but I fail to see the reason for the use of the underwear.

There was bleeding, so they would have retained by the prosecution/police I would imagine.

Part of the evidence, just like her jeans would have been.

tritium

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't believe the stupidity and downright disregard for law of that Moderator-deleted post just now - I hope they'll be reported to PSNI.

Scummy thing to do alright, although I’m not sure there’s any legal ramifications given it was done in a different jurisdiction

Church on Tuesday

steddyeddy wrote: »

There was nothing confusing about the Whatsap messages these guys sent. What they wrote wouldn't be out of place in a Glasgow back alley on Saturday night. They acted liked low lives, alcohol or not. All this despite having been recipients on a decent education.

Yeah, it's pretty vile. But lots of lads talk like this amongst their friends.

Laois_Man

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't believe the stupidity and downright disregard for law of that Moderator-deleted post just now - I hope they'll be reported to PSNI.

And the racist undertones and sanctimonious preaching in it!