Mary Magdelene the film

Appledreams15

There is a new film in the cinema this week: Mary Magdelene.

At the end it stated that:
Mary Magdelene was incorrectly called a prostitute, and that the vatican have officially uplifted her status to 'apostle' in 2016, and given her a feast day.


Why was this not bigger news? I think that alot of the appalling treatment of women in Ireland, resulted from the Catholic Church incorrectly referring to women as prostitutes, evil, worthless etc.

The Catholic Church themselves have now said that this was incorrect and twisted, and have agreed that most accounts of Mary Magdelene say that she was a close advisor of Jesus, and they have officially upgraded her status to 'apostle of apostles'.
The vatican have released a press release on this.

I just spoke to yet another Irish woman who spoke of being sexually abused as a child. She described Ireland as 'a country of serial sex abuse'. Many Irish women of my generation had abusive childhoods.

I think one day Ireland will look back and be greatly shamed of its treatment of thousands of women.
Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

Galwayguy35

Why would it be big news that someone who is dead for 2 thousand years was given a feast day?

The_Valeyard

This is old news?


Wasnt 'Mary at the well' the lady of the night, while Mary Mags was the 'Apostle of Apostles'


She was seen as better than all of Jesus's apostles (most of the women were).


She does seem to have suffered a fair bit of character assassination though.

Pherekydes

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

Not if the traditionalists have anything to say about it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Because people don't give a **** about religion any more.

Also, the Catholic church don't like highlighting having to make changes to things when it's akin to admitting being wrong.

Sidebaro

Appledreams15 wrote:

I think one day Ireland will look back and be greatly shamed of its treatment of thousands of women. Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

I doubt it'd be only Ireland looking back with shame.

I think things have improved but it will never be the end, sadly.

Discodog

Ask the Pope if you can see Mary Magdelene's gospel. It one of several apparently locked in the Vatican vaults.

Antifa

Why is prostitution viewed so badly anyway? Especially by a Church which styles itself as charitable? Surely as long as the price isn't too high, it's sort of a form of charity work for the hideously ugly?

suicide_circus

The Passion of Saint Tibulus 2: Mary Magdalene's Revenge. Now in 3D !!

The_Valeyard

suicide_circus wrote: »

The Passion of Saint Tibulus 2: Mary Magdalene's Revenge. Now in 3D !!

I prefer Sister Act 2 myself

Antifa

I prefer Magdy Does Dallas but how and ever!

Ulysses Gaze

Antifa wrote: »

Why is prostitution viewed so badly anyway? Especially by a Church which styles itself as charitable? Surely as long as the price isn't too high, it's sort of a form of charity work for the hideously ugly?

Probably because married men indulge in hiring prostitutes therefore breaking the sixth commandment.

Antifa

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Probably because married men indulge in hiring prostitutes therefore breaking the sixth commandment.

All married men?

_Whimsical_

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Probably because married men indulge in hiring prostitutes therefore breaking the sixth commandment.

And ultimately destabilising the marriage and the basic unit of society which is the family. Back then there was no social welfare, no enforced child support, no means for a woman to take care of children of a marriage if it didn't work out and a father left. Forming a relationship with another woman was probably a huge threat. It had to be socially frowned upon in order to keep everything running ok.

Considering they had no contraception back then I wonder if prostitutes got pregnant alot and how all that worked.

kneemos

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

And ultimately destabilising the marriage and the basic unit of society which is the family. Back then there was no social welfare, no enforced child support, no means for a woman to take care of children of a marriage if it didn't work out and a father left. Forming a relationship with another woman was probably a huge threat. It had to be socially frowned upon in order to keep everything running ok.

Considering they had no contraception back then I wonder if prostitutes got pregnant alot and how all that worked.

I thought they were free and easy around that time.
Bisexuality was the norm.

suicide_circus

kneemos wrote: »

I thought they were free and easy around that time.
Bisexuality was the norm.

As it says in Matthew 2:14...
"Any hole be-eth a goal"

Danny Donut

Her laundries were great though. Never got stuff so clean.

Your Face

Clem Fandango

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Lord's partner.

Something was definitely going on between those two.

facehugger99

Appledreams15 wrote: »

The Catholic Church themselves have now said that this was incorrect and twisted, and have agreed that most accounts of Mary Magdelene say that she was a close advisor of Jesus, and they have officially upgraded her status to 'apostle of apostles'.
The vatican have released a press release on this.

It's almost as if they're making it up as they go along.

oceanman

its going to be huge at the box office..

the purple tin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This is old news?


Wasnt 'Mary at the well' the lady of the night, while Mary Mags was the 'Apostle of Apostles'


She was seen as better than all of Jesus's apostles (most of the women were).


She does seem to have suffered a fair bit of character assassination though.

She was also the only apostle to be present at the crucifixion, the lads all being too chicken to show up (or rooster, in Peter's case ).
Not to mention that the apostles were ready to jack it all in and go back to the day jobs after Jesus was killed until she gave them a good kick up the arse.

gozunda

Ok so they got it wrong - MM was considered by Christ as an apostle....

Here's the official blurb on it ...

Mary Magdalene, apostle of the apostles,

Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”—and that he had said these things to her'. In this way she becomes, as is already known, an evangelist, or rather a messenger who announces the good news of the resurrection of the Lord; or, as Rabano Mauro and St. Thomas Aquinas said, 'apostolorum apostola', as she announces to the apostles what they in turn will announce to all the world

...It is right that the liturgical celebration of this woman should have the same level of festivity given to the apostles in the General Roman Calendar,

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2016/06/10/160610c.html



Kind blows this out of the water then

Why can only men be ordained as priests?

Pope John Paul II in his apostolic letter Mulieris Dignitatemstated, “In calling only men as his apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. ...” 

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/why-can-only-men-be-ordained-as-priests/

....

fortwilliam

Right so...

Somebody who didn't exist, who was pally with another makey-up fella, who had "Super-powers" and was the Son Of God but his mother was a virgin because sex is nasty... Is now NOT a prostitute because the men in dresses decided that the other men in dresses who made this whole thing up, made it up wrongly.. so the current spoofers are remaking it all up and she is now a lovley lady...NOT a prostitute... because that is bad,


All clear now?


Religion started when the first liar met the first fool

razorblunt

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Lord's partner.

Something was definitely going on between those two.

My friend's Dad was in the Navy and not really into religion, his family were so he read as many books of the Bible as he could his summary was always:

"Lads he was either shagging Mary Magdalene or the lads"

sbsquarepants

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

Yea, I'd say so.:rolleyes:

marcbrophy

fortwilliam wrote: »

Right so...

All clear now?

Graces7

gozunda wrote: »

Ok so they got it wrong - MM was considered by Christ as an apostle....

No. Not an apostle but more than was attributed at the start. And read Acts.

Jesus consistently treated women very differentlly from men. As is right as we are different. Just as vital and important but yes different.

By the way all the "forbidden gospels" are online; google?

kneemos

fortwilliam wrote: »

Right so...

Somebody who didn't exist, who was pally with another makey-up fella, who had "Super-powers" and was the Son Of God but his mother was a virgin because sex is nasty... Is now NOT a prostitute because the men in dresses decided that the other men in dresses who made this whole thing up, made it up wrongly.. so the current spoofers are remaking it all up and she is now a lovley lady...NOT a prostitute... because that is bad,


All clear now?


Religion started when the first liar met the first fool

Missing the point by several miles.

It's about how women are treated by the church.
It being real or not is irrelevant.

the purple tin

razorblunt wrote: »

My friend's Dad was in the Navy and not really into religion, his family were so he read as many books of the Bible as he could his summary was always:

"Lads he was either shagging Mary Magdalene or the lads"

The male apostles didn't like her (especially Peter, who was a thick bully by all accounts) for basically two reasons.
1 She was much smarter than them and used to show them up at question time with Jesus.
2 The fact that Jesus spent more time with her than them, and used to kiss her on the mouth in front of them (wahey!)

gozunda

Graces7 wrote: »

gozunda wrote: »

Ok so they got it wrong - MM was considered by Christ as an apostle....

No. Not an apostle but more than was attributed at the start. And read Acts.

Jesus consistently treated women very differentlly from men. As is right as we are different. Just as vital and important but yes different.

By the way all the "forbidden gospels" are online; google?

Fixed quotes above

Yes - as quoted the "Apostles apostle" ...

apostolorum apostola', as she announces to the apostles what they in turn will announce to all the world
Vatican Press release Mary Magdalene 2016

The church created the role of priest - not god or jesus

Many religions have absolutely no problem with women's ministry in religion. Looks like it's going that way here imo ....


The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that only men can receive holy orders because Jesus chose men as his apostles, and the "apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry." Pope John Paul 1994

Graces7

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

And ultimately destabilising the marriage and the basic unit of society which is the family. Back then there was no social welfare, no enforced child support, no means for a woman to take care of children of a marriage if it didn't work out and a father left. Forming a relationship with another woman was probably a huge threat. It had to be socially frowned upon in order to keep everything running ok.

Considering they had no contraception back then I wonder if prostitutes got pregnant alot and how all that worked.

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_contraception

Goes back as far as ancient Egyptians

Graces7

gozunda wrote: »

Fixed quotes above

Yes - as quoted the "Apostles apostle" ...




The church made priest's - not god or jesus
Many religions have absolutely no problem with women's ministry in religion. Looks like it's going that way here imo ....

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that only men can receive holy orders because Jesus chose men as his apostles, and the "apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry." Pope John Paul 1994

Pope Francis has just reaffimed no women priests and he is right; not going down that road again thankyou . And please reestablish that quote? Thank you"

gozunda

Graces7 wrote: »

Pope Francis has just reaffimed no women priests and he is right; not going down that road again thankyou . And please reestablish that quote? Thank you"

Fixed the first reply as everything appearing in a single quote from me. End / quote parenthes missing.

Ok pope Francis might not but he appears to be setting it up the groundwork for it at a future point in time imo

Defunkd

The film will prob have the "based on actual events" tag but aside from her name, very little is known. In other words, it's fiction and sounds boring to me.

biko

I read in Da Vinci Code (2003) Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute.
That's truth enough for me.

the purple tin

Graces7 wrote: »

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_contraception

Goes back as far as ancient Egyptians

I read in a book about Jack the Ripper that a lot of victorian prostitutes would only use the back door so that they wouldn't get pregnant.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Graces7 wrote: »

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_contraception

Goes back as far as ancient Egyptians

It was hardly effective and certainly unreliable.

lawred2

Appledreams15 wrote: »

There is a new film in the cinema this week: Mary Magdelene.

At the end it stated that:
Mary Magdelene was incorrectly called a prostitute, and that the vatican have officially uplifted her status to 'apostle' in 2016, and given her a feast day.


Why was this not bigger news? I think that alot of the appalling treatment of women in Ireland, resulted from the Catholic Church incorrectly referring to women as prostitutes, evil, worthless etc.

The Catholic Church themselves have now said that this was incorrect and twisted, and have agreed that most accounts of Mary Magdelene say that she was a close advisor of Jesus, and they have officially upgraded her status to 'apostle of apostles'.
The vatican have released a press release on this.

I just spoke to yet another Irish woman who spoke of being sexually abused as a child. She described Ireland as 'a country of serial sex abuse'. Many Irish women of my generation had abusive childhoods.

I think one day Ireland will look back and be greatly shamed of its treatment of thousands of women.
Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

because nobody gives even the slightest sh*t

seamus

The move is getting pretty slated online. General gist I'm getting from both the professional critics and joe soap reviews is that it's an inoffensive and unremarkable movie about Jesus, cynically marketed under Mary Mags's name to make it look like a feminist or controversial retelling, of which it is neither.

houseplant

I knew a Fr. Clint Power, maybe she's having a go at him?

Grayson

seamus wrote: »

The move is getting pretty slated online. General gist I'm getting from both the professional critics and joe soap reviews is that it's an inoffensive and unremarkable movie about Jesus, cynically marketed under Mary Mags's name to make it look like a feminist or controversial retelling, of which it is neither.

I'd heard the same. Supposed to bring really dull. Which is a pity. She's an interesting character.

It's nuts that nearly two thousand years ago some guy decided he didn't like women and so she was called a prostitute.

Wibbs

biko wrote: »

I read in Da Vinci Code (2003) Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute.
That's truth enough for me.

Well according to the original gospel texts she wasn't. The problem was that back then Mary/Maryam was a very common name. Shout "Mary!" in a crowd in Jerusalem and a lot of heads would turn. To mark her out in the texts they add the Magdalene name. The prostitute/adulterer who is saved by Jesus(cast the first stone...) goes unnamed as does the "sinning woman" who anoints his feet. Neither of them are Mary Magdalene, but later stories lumped them all together. You see that in the various films of the life of Jesus. Magdalene becomes the archetypal "fallen woman" he saves. Of her backstory little is revealed, beyond he cured her and a few other women of "evil spirits" and that she traveled with the group(along with other women it seems).

In the original texts she's mentioned a lot, more than most figures and is present for the more important events and seems to have held high office within the group in the early days. She is close to his mother and looks after her and is the primary witness of the resurrection narrative. Given women weren't considered as reliable witnesses compared to men(we see a holdover of that within even current Islamic law) that stands out as unusual in itself. That she was there attending his grave another interesting angle. Never mind that all his bloke mates had run away in fear, yet the women and especially her didn't. They remained loyal to the him and the cause. That itself is unusual in the narrative as if it was being dreamed up as a story for the cultures of the time the men would have been the loyal ones and the witnesses*. The idea that she might have been his wife sounds pretty plausible as she certainly acts like "family".



*which for me suggests that quite a bit of the story has some basis in actual happenings. I'm not talking miracles or any of that, I mean the general stuff that is realistic. Finding the tomb empty for example. That could have many explanations that don't require the magical.

jiltloop

Appledreams15 wrote: »

There is a new film in the cinema this week: Mary Magdelene.

At the end it stated that:
Mary Magdelene was incorrectly called a prostitute, and that the vatican have officially uplifted her status to 'apostle' in 2016, and given her a feast day.


Why was this not bigger news? I think that alot of the appalling treatment of women in Ireland, resulted from the Catholic Church incorrectly referring to women as prostitutes, evil, worthless etc.

The Catholic Church themselves have now said that this was incorrect and twisted, and have agreed that most accounts of Mary Magdelene say that she was a close advisor of Jesus, and they have officially upgraded her status to 'apostle of apostles'.
The vatican have released a press release on this.

I just spoke to yet another Irish woman who spoke of being sexually abused as a child. She described Ireland as 'a country of serial sex abuse'. Many Irish women of my generation had abusive childhoods.

I think one day Ireland will look back and be greatly shamed of its treatment of thousands of women.
Is this the end of the abuse of women in Ireland?

I have to take issue with the last line of your op, I think the day has already arrived where there is shame in what went on in Ireland over the years through the Catholic church. However what really bothers me is that you seem to claim it was just women who suffered abuse, many many poor young boys also suffered abuse as well.