2019 Leaf

samih

Model 3 is not a hatch for a start so I wouldn't buy one. Why would you buy a Hyundai Kona 64 when you can buy a Model 3 for the same money?

It's a same thing than any cars. You can buy a C Class Merc and Ford Focus for the same money and both will sell. One will be fully kitted and other one will be the base model with windy windows.

Edit: Liamog beat me by 1 minute.

Round Cable

Nissan have also axed the bottom spec XE model in the UK and Ireland, likely due to low demand. Tesla saw the same trend with its 60kWh Model S, which was quickly dropped.

Padraig Mor

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you are buying a 3/5 series do you test drive a Pulsar?

I very much considered buying a 5 series rather than a Leaf 40 last week.

Shefwedfan

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I very much considered buying a 5 series rather than a Leaf 40 last week.

Not new....the 5 series will cost you a few more quid.....

I reckon the 2019 60 Kwh Leaf will be delivered in 2020 , perhaps a few delivered to dealers late 2019 ?

FriendsEV

Round Cable wrote: »

Why would it be? The 2019 60kWh Leaf will have the same performance and better range than the base model 3, higher seating position, a hatchback, and likely better build quality too.

It won't have the same performance

Even a base model 3 will leave the Leaf for dust

RobAMerc

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I very much considered buying a 5 series rather than a Leaf 40 last week.

I am going the other way !
I have a 2013 5 series and am considering buying a new 40kw Leaf.

I might wait for a 64kw, but I would need to be guarenteed it would be delivered in very early 2019.

Leaf 60 will 11-22 Kw AC charger, it's been shown to charge at 102 Kw and it will have 215 HP, this is a game changer and I guarantee, if the price is right they will sell very many of these cars and will have no problem meeting demand like Hyundai ( my opinion ) .

Nissan made a very good business decision to sell their battery business to LG Chem, Nissan should concentrate on building cars, drive trains etc and buy the batteries from the experts. I'm expecting this sale gave Nissan an advantage over Hyundai and maybe other manufacturers who might struggle to meet demand.

So the charging of 102 Kw has a clear advantage over the Kona and also the AC charging if 22 Kw would be a major advantage especially to people here in Ireland , Nissan and Renault failed in their Promise to the ESB to offer faster charging AC cars which is why the ESB installed so many 22 Kw AC points so hopefully the ESB will not give up on AC because while Unkle for instance completely dismisses the value of AC I on the other hand know all to well the value of AC not having DC point on my door step like him. DC charger in use , I can still get 22 Kwh in 2 hrs on 3 phase AC point.

I got to tell you that in order for me to give up the joy of driving the i3 the Leaf 60 ( sounds) very, very tempting. The Model 3 will no doubt offer more driver enjoyment, being RWD will give it a good advantage for grip, I hope Nissan offer a RWD option because the current Leaf is a joke not helped by the tyres and 215 HP will make it worse again.

The Leaf will also be larger than the Kona.

The Model 3 will end up costing a lot more than the Leaf or Kona after some options are applied but I would take more power than gadgets.

The i3 is a very fun car to drive and I would be looking for the same or more level of fun , more power etc. What the i3 and Leaf 60 will handle like is anyone's guess.

I doubt the Model 3 will be available in 2020 anyway and my lease is up in November 2020 so it will be interesting to see what's available.

i3 will be gone or close to being cancelled
i3 becomes ix1 with 350 hp and possibly more but probably 50+k basic. Possibly 2020-2021.
Kona, maybe
Leaf 60 Maybe
Model 3 , Unlikely.
I could perhaps go for another i3 but get the S version.

I would like not to need the Rex but this depends on the network , for now, for me Rex is absolutely essential, the last 5 times I went to fast charge the chargers were busy and there is only the first Ionity chargers likely to come online by the end of this year.

If the ESB roll out new 45 Kw chargers I'll freak out , this will prove they're taking the p1ss !

Round Cable

FriendsEV wrote: »

It won't have the same performance

Even a base model 3 will leave the Leaf for dust

It won't really for the average driver, the 60kWh Leaf 0-100kph will be 6.5 seconds, base Model 3 0-97kph is at 5.6 seconds.

DrPhilG

[Deleted User] wrote: »

it's been shown to charge at 102 Kw

Has it?

highdef

DrPhilG wrote: »

Has it?

Yes.

DrPhilG

highdef wrote: »

Yes.

Link?

And by link I mean confirmation from Nissan that the car shown charging at 102kw was the new 60kwh Leaf?

unkel

It will never charge in Ireland at more than 45kW unless someone is willing to install new generation CHAdeMO chargers (a system that is already obsolete). Who would be interested in doing that? I doubt Nissan (or the dealers) will.

RobAMerc wrote: »

am considering buying a new 40kw Leaf.
I might wait for a 64kw, but I would need to be guarenteed it would be delivered in very early 2019.

That is not going to happen.

catharsis

Round Cable wrote: »

Why would it be? The 2019 60kWh Leaf will have the same performance and better range than the base model 3, higher seating position, a hatchback, and likely better build quality too.

This... the Model 3 is not a luxury car, and really the only distinction will be RWD. it will be substantially more expensive - particularly by the time you add all of the features which are standard on the leaf, and a Kona, Leaf64KWh and possibly other options will be as good or a better buy if available in Europe by mid 2020

On the other hand, an EQC, e-Tron or iPace will be massively superior to the tesla in every way at the top end and Tesla's brief existence as a luxury brand will evaporate in the presence of actual luxury high-quality cars.

I expect major manufacturers to have exactly the same issues Tesla did with ramping up massive production of cheap cars - but equally I expect that they (like Jaguar) will be able to dominate Tesla at the high end where there are no volume issues and their ability to build high quality cars will be a differentiator.

I wonder how many etrons hae been ordered in Norway? - how Many iPaces? - compared to current order books for Tesla - anyone have these figures?

I know that across Europe IPace has already outsold Model X this year

Padraig Mor

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not new....the 5 series will cost you a few more quid.....

Yeah, a good few more! Was looking at a 2015 5er.

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am going the other way !
I have a 2013 5 series and am considering buying a new 40kw Leaf.
.

You're like me three years ago - I came from a 250bhp 3 litre petrol rear wheel drive Lexus to my Leaf 24. I don't feel short changed (although I do wish the Nissan sound system was even 50% as good!).

unkel

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Yeah, a good few more! Was looking at a 2015 5er.


You're like me three years ago - I came from a 250bhp 3 litre petrol rear wheel drive Lexus to my Leaf 24.

And myself. Scrapped my 3l petrol RWD Jaguar for Ioniq

FriendsEV

catharsis wrote: »

On the other hand, an EQC, e-Tron or iPace will be massively superior to the tesla in every way at the top end and Tesla's brief existence as a luxury brand will evaporate in the presence of actual luxury high-quality cars.

I expect major manufacturers to have exactly the same issues Tesla did with ramping up massive production of cheap cars - but equally I expect that they (like Jaguar) will be able to dominate Tesla at the high end where there are no volume issues and their ability to build high quality cars will be a differentiator.

I wonder how many etrons hae been ordered in Norway? - how Many iPaces? - compared to current order books for Tesla - anyone have these figures?

I know that across Europe IPace has already outsold Model X this year

You make some good points to be fair

As much as I like Tesla

The Model S and X is no where near the quality of a high end Mercedes, Jaguar etc

I think Elon knows this and the model 3 will be the bréad and butter for the foreseeable

Tesla won't be able to complete with luxury brands

Once battery production from battery giants is up and running, Tesla will be screwed

Thats the only ace they have

They have already been surpassed with regard autopilot tech

FriendsEV

FriendsEV wrote: »

They have already been surpassed with regard autopilot tech

Have they ?

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Have they ?

IN the head of a mass raving looney perhaps.

FriendsEV

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have they ?

Waymo looks alot better

FriendsEV

ELM327 wrote: »

IN the head of a mass raving looney perhaps.

No need for that

samih

FriendsEV wrote: »

Waymo looks alot better

How many kWh do Waymo have in their cars?

FriendsEV

samih wrote: »

How many kWh do Waymo have in their cars?

Partnerships will be setup

ELM327

FriendsEV wrote: »

No need for that

Wasnt saying about you in general... just in fairness anyone looking at this objectively can see that no company is ahead of Tesla when it comes to autopilot.


Cases can be suggested for waymo, but how many cars have they made/sold?

samih

FriendsEV wrote: »

Partnerships will be setup

It's a different kettle of fish having an actual real product in the hands of the customers for years and "will be setup".

cros13

samih wrote: »

How many kWh do Waymo have in their cars?

92kWh.... Waymo has signed options on 20,000 Jaguar I-Pace.
Not that JLR can make 20,000 anytime soon.

samih

Thats good news for both parties.