2019 Leaf

Soarer · 21-03-2018 11:10am #1

Thought I may as well start this thread, seeing as Nissan appear to have played silly buggers with the 2018 version.

Obviously nothing is "official" yet, but there seems to be a bit of info out there that the 2019 Leaf will be a serious bit of kit.

Couple of threads about the same thing.

This one.

And this one.

There might be more, but I haven't stumbled across it yet.

unkel · 21-03-2018 11:20am

So it will get the same 64kWh battery pack from LG Chem as the 2018 Hyundai Kona EV?

Presumably with active cooling this time?

Soarer · 21-03-2018 11:29am

Looks that way.

Wonder who has a bigger order put in?!

ELM327 · 21-03-2018 12:26pm

Hopefully they include active cooling.
I think they will end up not selling many of the 2018 leaf in the end.

Soarer · 21-03-2018 12:36pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Hopefully they include active cooling.
I think they will end up not selling many of the 2018 leaf in the end.

Hopefully it'll lead to big discounts of the 2018 Leaf!

thierry14 · 21-03-2018 12:55pm

Soarer wrote: »

Hopefully it'll lead to big discounts of the 2018 Leaf!

For 20k new they wouldn't be a bad buy

19 Leaf is just about the perfect car

200bhp/400km range is something I didn't expect for a long time

Would be great fun to drive

I would buy one

JackieChan · 21-03-2018 1:04pm

Any chance they ditch Chademo for CCS?

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2018 1:06pm

JackieChan wrote: »

Any chance they ditch Chademo for CCS?

They should but can't see it happening.....

Really the EU should make them....

ELM327 · 21-03-2018 1:07pm

JackieChan wrote: »

Any chance they ditch Chademo for CCS?

I would rate that as highly unlikely, considering they are not part of the CCS working group (even Tesla are), and they spent money installing chademo FCP

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2018 8:00pm

What happens when the 2019 model is about to be released? will Nissan start selling off the 2018 model at cheap prices like they done with Leaf 1.5 and Leaf 1 before that?

[Deleted User] · 22-03-2018 6:55am

Nissan will have to adopt CCS as there are unlikely to be many 100 + Kw chargers installed in Europe. The Ionity chargers will be CCS only.

Thermal management will be dictated by LG Chem.

ELM327 · 22-03-2018 8:43am

Deleted User wrote: »

Nissan will have to adopt CCS as there are unlikely to be many 100 + Kw chargers installed in Europe. The Ionity chargers will be CCS only.

Thermal management will be dictated by LG Chem.

There are already 100kW chademo chargers in Norway. The Kia Soul can charge at 100kW already.

Chademo is the standard in Asia and widespread in NA, it's not going to "go away" just because some bureaucrats in the EU want it to.

Nissan will not adapt CCS

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2018 11:09am

ELM327 wrote: »

There are already 100kW chademo chargers in Norway. The Kia Soul can charge at 100kW already.

Chademo is the standard in Asia and widespread in NA, it's not going to "go away" just because some bureaucrats in the EU want it to.

Nissan will not adapt CCS

They should be made to......or everyone else move to chademo

If they want to sell cars in Europe then all manufacturers should be made to pick one type of charger connections and as consumers, we should demand it.

If it is CCS or Chademo I don't care.

What is the point in having loads of chargers but some of them you can't use??????

ELM327 · 22-03-2018 12:17pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They should be made to......or everyone else move to chademo

If they want to sell cars in Europe then all manufacturers should be made to pick one type of charger connections and as consumers, we should demand it.

If it is CCS or Chademo I don't care.

What is the point in having loads of chargers but some of them you can't use??????

Like diesel or LPG if you drive a petrol car?

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2018 12:23pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Like diesel or LPG if you drive a petrol car?

I don't understand your point?

KCross · 22-03-2018 12:36pm

They should just enforce that every charge point is dual head and then let the market decide which standard prevails.

If you get 50kW from Chademo and 150kW from CCS the market will decide the future pretty quick.

Mandating one over the other is an issue as there are licensing issues at present with both sides screwing each other for licensing fees. So, let them both exist and the market will decide which one is better.

Gumbo · 22-03-2018 12:52pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They should be made to......or everyone else move to chademo

If they want to sell cars in Europe then all manufacturers should be made to pick one type of charger connections and as consumers, we should demand it.

If it is CCS or Chademo I don't care.

What is the point in having loads of chargers but some of them you can't use??????

Same for mobile phones. They tried to enforce this years ago and we still have a mix of USB, micro usb, mini usb and lightening and then all the associated adaptors to make each one work.

zilog_jones · 22-03-2018 12:57pm

KCross wrote: »

Mandating one over the other is an issue as there are licensing issues at present with both sides screwing each other for licensing fees.

What licensing fees are there for CCS? It's all based on IEC standards, isn't it?

KCross · 22-03-2018 1:23pm

zilog_jones wrote: »

What licensing fees are there for CCS? It's all based on IEC standards, isn't it?

I stand to be corrected on CCS.... Chademo charge for the use of the connector... I assumed CCS would not offer theirs for free?

ELM327 · 22-03-2018 2:06pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't understand your point?

What's the point of having multiple refuelling pumps you can't use?
Really?

Are you serious?

ELM327 · 22-03-2018 2:08pm

kceire wrote: »

Same for mobile phones. They tried to enforce this years ago and we still have a mix of USB, micro usb, mini usb and lightening and then all the associated adaptors to make each one work.

That's the problem
You can buy a "Phone charger" plug which will have USB at the top, then you connect the propriertary cable.
CCS prohibits the use of an adapter

My kingdom for the man who designs a 150kW CCS to Chademo adapter

Soarer · 09-07-2018 11:31pm

Thought I'd resurrect this thread for the following link that seems to have been overlooked.

Nissan Leaf prototype with new 60 kWh battery pack leaked fast-charging at 102 kW

Should make things a bit more interesting, as long as the price is right.

But if Hyundai and Kia are coming out with compact SUVs for less than €40k, surely Nissan will have to do better?

Shefwedfan · 10-07-2018 8:46am

Soarer wrote: »

Thought I'd resurrect this thread for the following link that seems to have been overlooked.

Nissan Leaf prototype with new 60 kWh battery pack leaked fast-charging at 102 kW

Should make things a bit more interesting, as long as the price is right.

But if Hyundai and Kia are coming out with compact SUVs for less than €40k, surely Nissan will have to do better?

When will it arrive into a dealer to purchase is more important question. It looks to have gone the way of the 2018 Ioniq which was promised.......

I don't expect to see in any great numbers till 2020 2H/2021 at this rate

The current Leaf is selling great so why pull it from market at it's peak

Padraig Mor · 10-07-2018 9:43am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When will it arrive into a dealer to purchase is more important question. It looks to have gone the way of the 2018 Ioniq which was promised.......

I don't expect to see in any great numbers till 2020 2H/2021 at this rate

The current Leaf is selling great so why pull it from market at it's peak

Possible problem for Nissan is that they may then be competing against the Tesla Model 3.

Soarer · 10-07-2018 10:15am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When will it arrive into a dealer to purchase is more important question. It looks to have gone the way of the 2018 Ioniq which was promised.......

I don't expect to see in any great numbers till 2020 2H/2021 at this rate

The current Leaf is selling great so why pull it from market at it's peak

I don't think they'll pull the L40. There'll be 2 cars for 2 markets.

ELM327 · 10-07-2018 10:18am

Soarer wrote: »

I don't think they'll pull the L40. There'll be 2 cars for 2 markets.

They will probably offer the 40 and have the 60 as the premium/upgrade model. Like the 24 and 30.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Possible problem for Nissan is that they may then be competing against the Tesla Model 3.

+1
This is why they need to get the 60 out before 2020-21 as the model 3 will be here at that stage. The L40 won't be competing with it, but, depending on the price point of the L60, it might

Shefwedfan · 10-07-2018 11:46am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Possible problem for Nissan is that they may then be competing against the Tesla Model 3.

If you are buying a 3/5 series do you test drive a Pulsar?

Apart from both been electric I don't see how a Leaf would compete with a Tesla 3?

You would hope the Nissan Leaf is a lot cheaper than a Tesla....

Round Cable · 10-07-2018 12:01pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Apart from both been electric I don't see how a Leaf would compete with a Tesla 3?

You would hope the Nissan Leaf is a lot cheaper than a Tesla....

Why would it be? The 2019 60kWh Leaf will have the same performance and better range than the base model 3, higher seating position, a hatchback, and likely better build quality too.

samih · 10-07-2018 12:05pm

Tesla are trying to bring the cost of cars down by being efficient in manufacturing. Nissan however have been volume manufacturing cars for ages but it will anybody's guess if Tesla can bring the price down to compete in volume market.

There is nothing inherently expensive on Model 3. Suspension is slightly more complex but Ford etc. have been able to offer multillink suspension on Focus since '98. Model 3 has been desingned from ground up to be cost effective to make. For example the charger and many other EV components have been integrated with the battery pack.

Tesla charges much more for extras at the moment which is their way of raising the average sale price to way above LEAF but the basic car is really good value at only 5k over the price of basic LEAF. Just that you can't purchase one until who knows when. I wouldn't be surprised if fully kitted L60 and Model 3 had exactly the same price.

Shefwedfan · 10-07-2018 12:31pm

samih wrote: »

Tesla are trying to bring the cost of cars down by being efficient in manufacturing. Nissan however have been volume manufacturing cars for ages but it will anybody's guess if Tesla can bring the price down to compete in volume market.

There is nothing inherently expensive on Model 3. Suspension is slightly more complex but Ford etc. have been able to offer multillink suspension on Focus since '98. Model 3 has been desingned from ground up to be cost effective to make. For example the charger and many other EV components have been integrated with the battery pack.

Tesla charges much more for extras at the moment which is their way of raising the average sale price to way above LEAF but the basic car is really good value at only 5k over the price of basic LEAF. Just that you can't purchase one until who knows when. I wouldn't be surprised if fully kitted L60 and Model 3 had exactly the same price.

If that is true then Nissan Leaf will be end of life very very quickly.....

Why would anyone(under 60) purchase a Leaf when a Model 3 is the same price?

liamog · 10-07-2018 12:49pm

A basic Model 3 is $5,000 over the full spec Leaf40.
Based on battery price projections, the 60kWh of battery in 2019 should only add around $1,300 to the base price compared to the 2018 40kWh.

When the Leaf60 comes out I'd expect it to replace the Leaf40 with a minimum increase in price.

Plus the Leaf can fit a dog in the boot without it being animal cruelty

2019 Leaf

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