The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

but what difference does it make what the foetus looks like?

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

Wrong.

The picture you posted was essentially a fully developed miniature baby with all limbs and appendages with appropriate size ratio applied.

An actual 12 week fetus does not have that.

Try again.

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

Which a foetus at that stage of development can't do because they can't bend their elbows and knees yet.

pleas advice

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That's not a denial that it's human though

not just 'human', like human hair or human skin, but A human, as in a member of the genus Homo Sapiens.

circadian

RobertKK wrote: »

I don’t want to get into your personal life and what happened to your and your wife/partner.
The unborn is opague but it is still a unique human life and of human form at that stage.

So it's ok for you to reference your life experiences in relation to graphic images and "the reality" but not for others to do so when it doesn't suit you?

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Here is what an unborn looks like at 12 weeks, you see no humanity in this...

robarmstrong wrote: »

Wrong.

The picture you posted was essentially a fully developed miniature baby with all limbs and appendages with appropriate size ratio applied.

An actual 12 week fetus does not have that.

Try again.

So you are saying your head is this proportion to your own body?

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robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

So you are saying your head is this proportion to your own body?

That plastic doll is correctly proportionate.

An actual 12 week fetus, is not.

ELM327

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See that's a logical question which cannot be answered by a pro lifer without lying, obfuscating, or ignoring the question.
That's why you have no answer from him.

NuMarvel

pleas advice wrote: »

not just 'human', like human hair or human skin, but A human, as in a member of the genus Homo Sapiens.

For argument's sake, lets say you're right; the unborn is a human.

What do No voters and supporters want to see happen if the referendum is rejected?

RobertKK

robarmstrong wrote: »

That plastic doll is correctly proportionate.

An actual 12 week fetus, is not.

So are you saying a baby or other humans have heads as wide as their shoulders?

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Zubeneschamali

Ush1 wrote: »

Re-read what the poster actually posted. Pay attention to the first line.

I bleedin' quoted it in my explanation!

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

So are you saying a baby or other humans have heads as wide as their shoulders?

Are you saying what you posted is what an unborn 12 week fetus looks like despite being proven wrong numerous times?

Ush1

NuMarvel wrote: »

For argument's sake, lets say you're right; the unborn is a human.

What do No voters and supporters want to see happen if the referendum is rejected?

I'm voting yes but I personally find the human/a human argument disingenuous. You can call it what you like the fact that you can't dispute is that it will become a human. It's not a liver or toenail cell or whatever else.

circadian

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Why don't you answer my questions Robert?

Too difficult for you?

No, it just keeps the thread on track. I believe semantics and derailment is the name of the game and today's round is about a plastic yoke.

RobertKK

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No, I am doing other stuff and can only answer so much.

Ush1

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I bleedin' quoted it in my explanation!

No you didn't.

kylith

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm voting yes but I personally find the human/a human argument disingenuous. You can call it what you like the fact that you can't dispute is that it will become a human. It's not a liver or toenail cell or whatever else.

Do you agree that it should not be considered equal in rights to the woman carrying it?

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

No, I am doing other stuff and can only answer so much.

Like telling lies and posting up false images proclaiming them to be fact only to be bounced around by how incorrect you've shown to be?

RobertKK

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What rights are you talking about?

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Ush1

kylith wrote: »

Do you agree that it should not be considered equal in rights to the woman carrying it?

Yes.

RobertKK

robarmstrong wrote: »

Like telling lies and posting up false images proclaiming them to be fact only to be bounced around by how incorrect you've shown to be?

I am not the one who believes a plastic image with an oversized head is proportionate to a born baby.

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robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

I am not the one who believes a plastic image with an oversized head is proportionate to a born baby.

I am not the one who believes a plastic doll to fully resemble a 12 week unborn fetus.

BarleySweets

RobertKK wrote: »

Can you tell the repealers to talk about the unborn too as they seem to forget what an abortion is about.
Most just talk about women and compassion and trust women, God forbid if they mention the unborn life.

Why don’t you trust women, Robert?

Zubeneschamali

Ush1 wrote: »

No you didn't.

An argument isn't just contradiction, an argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

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RobertKK

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A toenail cell would show it belonged to the foot that the toenail is from. An unborn life dna from the cell would only be linked to that life.