The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

robarmstrong

horseburger wrote: »

In other words you can't answer what I asked you.

Running off crying to a moderator.

You can't answer what we've asked you...

PLOT TWIST

horseburger

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

horseburger, what's your opinion on the 8th amendment and how it impacts women, as opposed to your opinion on abortion?

Obviously impacts on women, That is why is mentioned that abortion should be available in cases of a risk to life of the mother that are not currently covered by legislation.

robarmstrong

dudara wrote: »

I really hate this this judgemental and holier-than-thou position. Contraceptives don't 100% prevent pregnancy and this kind of statement implies that women who fall pregnant should suffer the consequences. It's a position that lacks understanding of the realities and that lacks humanity.

To be honest, although views like that should obviously be completely disregarded as they are ridiculously uninformed and are subtly shaming those who contraception has failed, they're always gonna be there. In time though I hope people will disregard them as we have, as we all know and understand as mature adults with fully functioning brains capable of interpreting logic, that no contraception is 100%

horseburger

robarmstrong wrote: »

You can't answer what we've asked you...

PLOT TWIST

I answered what I was asked as to what I think should be available.

Triceratops Ballet

horseburger wrote: »

Obviously impacts on women, That is why is mentioned that abortion should be available in cases of a risk to life of the mother that are not currently covered by legislation.

But I didn't ask about abortion, I asked about the 8th amendment, you know, the thing we're actually voting on?

captbarnacles

horseburger wrote: »

Obviously impacts on women, That is why is mentioned that abortion should be available in cases of a risk to life of the mother that are not currently covered by legislation.

And disability of the woman?

horseburger

dudara wrote: »

I really hate this this judgemental and holier-than-thou position. Contraceptives don't 100% prevent pregnancy and this kind of statement implies that women who fall pregnant should suffer the consequences. It's a position that lacks understanding of the realities and that lacks humanity.

Dude, I wasn't endorsing what Regina Doherty said. I was criticizing her.

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Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

horseburger

captbarnacles wrote: »

And disability of the woman?

what do you reckon yourself?

dudara

robarmstrong wrote: »

To be honest, although views like that should obviously be completely disregarded as they are ridiculously uninformed and are subtly shaming those who contraception has failed, they're always gonna be there. In time though I hope people will disregard them as we have, as we all know and understand as mature adults with fully functioning brains capable of interpreting logic, that no contraception is 100%

As human beings, we all have a natural tendency to be judgemental or feel superior. We all have it to some degree. It's hard to step back from our inbuilt tendencies to judge others. When you have a very black and white view of the world, you fail to see the greys.

horseburger

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

I started off by asking genuine questions too!:)

dudara

horseburger wrote: »

Dude, I wasn't endorsing what Regina Doherty said. I was criticizing her.

Not Dude, dudara

horseburger

dudara wrote: »

Not Dude, dudara

Could you at least edit your post to clearly indicate that the text you quoted is from the newspaper I referenced.

captbarnacles

horseburger wrote: »

what do you reckon yourself?

lol just answer the question

It's not relevant to me - I am completely pro-choice.

Triceratops Ballet

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

because due to the 8th amendment pregnant women are excluded from the HSE policy on consent, they don't have a right to consent to or refuse treatment during their pregnancy, there have been instances where the HSE has taken a case to the courts to try and compel a woman to undergo treatment she doesn't want.
For context all other patients can refuse treatment at any time, cancer patients can at any time refuse medical intervention even if it is advised by doctors and will prolong their lives

January

horseburger wrote: »

Dude, I wasn't endorsing what Regina Doherty said. I was criticizing her.

So, in the case where contraception fails, and the mother can't (or doesn't want to) have a child, what are the options there?

ohnonotgmail

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

because threats to the health of a pregnant woman are not the basis for an abortion. a woman could have a condition that leaves her crippled but she still wont be allowed have an abortion. a pregnant woman with cancer will have all cancer treatment stopped in case it hurts the child. stuff like that.

baylah17

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

Read the numerous reports into the death of Savita Hallapanaver for your answer

Zubeneschamali

horseburger wrote: »

what do you reckon yourself?

I reckon you are trying hard to get yourself thread banned so that you can paint the thread, the pro-choice posters or maybe the mods in an unflattering light somewhere.

"I was all, like, neutral! Just askin' questions!"

SusieBlue

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

Because traveling to procure an abortion or taking abortion pills at home is unsafe for the woman in question. She has no medical supervision or aftercare while recovering and its extremely dangerous for her health.

And as roughly 4k women avail of abortion services each year, that's a huge amount of women that we're letting down by denying them healthcare.

This isn't even touching on the women with wanted pregnancies having crisis's that require terminations, only to be denied on the grounds of a very faint fetal heartbeat.

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gctest50

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Genuine question. Why is access to abortion considered a health care issue by repeal advocates?

One of the difficulties with travelling abroad is the frequent lack of a post-mortem.

Thus it is not possible in a number of cases to pinpoint the diagnosis and thus give appropriate counselling for a future pregnancy.



The most commonly used referral hospital is in Liverpool where a sensitive caring service is provided with excellent feedback from
patients.

Just travelling on a ferry/plane for any medical procedure isn't as good as doing it locally if the same skills/care are available

stress, care in the future, additional cost, break in the chain of care

robarmstrong

horseburger wrote: »

I started off by asking genuine questions too!:)

That's debatable.

I'm so sick of people (well, pro-lifers) going on about how women should just use contraception. Is it so hard to grasp that it doesn't always work.

Zubeneschamali

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Someday the AG's office is going to be obliged to prosecute someone for this, and they'll pick a slam dunk case, and the woman will get 10 years in jail.

As bertie would say when he wasn't banned: Don't vote No unless you are prepared to see a woman go to jail for 10 years for buying pills on the internet.

robarmstrong

Lia_lia wrote: »

I'm so sick of people (well, pro-lifers) going on about how women should just use contraception. Is it so hard to grasp that it doesn't always work.

Shut up and take this contraceptive pill I'm going to give you that isn't 100% effective.

While we're at it I'll say that it was your choice to take that pill and it's your own fault you're pregnant.

Wait you want an abortion? How dare you!!!

The Legend Of Kira

gctest50 wrote: »

this lad  tearing down posters and assaulting the camera guy  who was giving him a chance to air his views

Interesting it's a poster without graphic medical pictures

I condemn the actions of this guy,, I condemn anyone removing posters or engaging in any sort of vandalism- just a pity quite a few on the repeal side can,t do likewise .


https://twitter.com/brianymoran/status/985984854708940800

robarmstrong

There's a difference, person in the first video was removing a poster that was legally placed there.

The pro-life posters are in breach of an act and are therefore illegal, fair game.

January

What are you on about? People have come out who are pro-repeal and said that tearing down posters is wrong. There are bad eggs on both sides of the debate.