The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

It wasnt me123

bertieinexile wrote: »

* Chest slap. Wipes away a tear. *

Bertie you do know that only Americans do that chest slap business - you need to refer back to your manual to concentrate on your oirishness

Simi

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Of course there will be TV debates. I think it is naive to think Repeal is going to win by a landslide. Really Really naive.

+1 Marriage equality passed with 62% in favour. Polling showed support in the high 70's in the run up to the referendum.

Support for repeal isn't and has never been as high. The no side will always have a big turn out on the day, so though I firmly believe the majority of Irish people support repeal and will vote to repeal the eight, it could be very close.

Which is why it's so important to have conversions with parents, grand parents, wider family and friends about not just why you are voting for repeal, but why it's so important they do too.

Those face to face conversions had more impact on the final result of the marriage equality referendum than any tv debate, poster or Twitter campaign ever could.

It wasnt me123

Simi wrote: »

Which is why it's so important to have conversions with parents, grand parents, wider family and friends about not just why you are voting for repeal, but why it's so important they do too.

I totally agree, I'm bringing it up in most conversations - even with patients, regardless of age and I had a former Christian brother in yesterday. The secrecy and shame that was part of our lives for many years has to go. Women want and are demanding body autonomy and I will tell everyone I meet exactly this, regardless of whether they want to hear me or not.

Repeal all the way, nobody should tell me what to do with my eggs!

bertieinexile

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Bertie you do know that only Americans do that chest slap business - you need to refer back to your manual to concentrate on your oirishness

Shoot!


If there's one thing that riles me more than a man kickin' my mule it's 'ombre don't appreciate new Golden Maverick. *


*Can you tell I'm running out of this stuff?

swampgas

bertieinexile wrote: »

*Can you tell I'm running out of this stuff?

You certainly seem to be running out of answers to difficult questions.

mikemac2

If you are an Irish citizen living abroad you cannot be added to the Register of Electors. The only exception to this is in the case of Irish officials on duty abroad (and their spouses) who may register on the Postal Voters List.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html

If you are an Irish citizen living abroad, you cannot be entered on the Register of Electors and cannot vote in an election or referendum in Ireland

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/spain/our-services/new-to-spain/voting-for-irish-citizens/

#hometovote on twitter has people showing their flight confirmations and are so proud to be voting

They fact they are not allowed does not seem to bother anyone

January

mikemac2 wrote: »

#hometovote on twitter has people showing their flight confirmations and are so proud to be voting

They fact they are not allowed does not seem to bother anyone

Depends on their circumstances. If they've left in the last 18 months they can or if they plan to return within 18 months they can too.

erica74

applehunter wrote: »

It is 1 in 5 AFAIK.

It's a shocking statistic.

In fairness, I should have elaborated. What I was talking about was claims like that being made without context. Without context it sounds like every abortion is the same and every woman seeking an abortion is the same and that couldn't be further from the truth.

mikemac2

That isn’t anywhere on the Department of Foreign Affairs website or citizens information though

Sure nobody could disprove you intend to return to Ireland within 18 months which would leave a loophole so wide the rule becomes pointless

Edit so it is there but aimed at students and not emigrants who I was reading on twitter

erica74

mikemac2 wrote: »

#hometovote on twitter has people showing their flight confirmations and are so proud to be voting

They fact they are not allowed does not seem to bother anyone

I don't understand why they shouldn't be allowed to vote, all Irish citizens should have a say in something of this importance.

January wrote: »

Depends on their circumstances. If they've left in the last 18 months they can or if they plan to return within 18 months they can too.

Which would probably make up a huge amount of Irish people living abroad.

Annasopra

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Well I disagree with you. I for one would not like to see IONA and their ilk on tv peddaling their nonsence, do you really think anyone has an appetite for that?

And my prediction is that it will be a landslide.

Anyone under 50 hasn't voted on this issue but the stories of Savita and others that are high profile like the Miss P case, together with the child predators in the church, Tuam babies in the laundries and other religious industrial establishments show up the religious for the hypocrites that they are.

Regardless of what people say on the census forms, the churches are empty most Sundays, they can't entice any new recruits - I know teenagers that have never seen a nun (lucky them I say - most of the ones I knew in my youth were quite violent).

I think Ireland has finally grown up and people want to live in a modern, liberal and non judgemental country.

I know that its a question of choice (and I've made it a religious issue in this post) but to some it comes down to this. Do I trust the church - who have shown they can't be trusted - or do I trust my own judgement and the judgement of women in general to deal with their own body autonomy.

Repeal all the way in a landslide

I know you are passionate about this but lets get realistic.

1 It doesnt matter about peoples appetite for debate. David Quinn, Maria Steen, Katie Ascough, John McGuirk will all be on tv debates
2 Repeal is doing a good job upto now but it is not guaranteed to win at all. The polls do not show it to be a landslide.
3 Actually you may or may not have noticed but almost none of the pro life campaign has been religious based. They are trying to distance themself from religion.
4 Lets not pigeon hole people based on age. There are lots of pro life people under 50! They did get a huge crowd out last month.
5 I have just seen something local canvassing data. There is a huge swathe undecided. This really could go either way based on what I have seen!
6 Sorry but no this referendum has to be fought hard for on the doorsteps - Naive complacency like yours will not motivate and will lose it for us!!!!

Annasopra

mikemac2 wrote: »

#hometovote on twitter has people showing their flight confirmations and are so proud to be voting

They fact they are not allowed does not seem to bother anyone

A lot of them can!!!

NuMarvel

mikemac2 wrote: »

That isn’t anywhere on the Department of Foreign Affairs website or citizens information though

Sure nobody could disprove you intend to return to Ireland within 18 months which would leave a loophole so wide the rule becomes pointless

Edit so it is there but aimed at students and not emigrants who I was reading on twitter

The 18 months applies to all registered voters, not just students. From the Electoral Act 1992, Section 11(3)(a):

"a person shall be deemed not to have given up ordinary residence if he intends to resume residence within eighteen months after giving it up"

It wasnt me123

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I know you are passionate about this but lets get realistic......

I'm not niave and I do genuinely believe it will be a landslide victory for repeal.

In relation to the tv debates you mentioned, I first thought like the US presidential debates, pro on oneside, choice on the other but on a second reading of your post I think you mean shows like Pat Kenny, Claire Byrne etc and yes I could see those people you mentioned on shows likes that. I just misunderstood what you meant.

I've never taken part in a poll; noone I know has ever taken part so I'm not sure they represent a proper cross section of society.

I did say that I had made my post religious and that the prolife posters hadn't, but I live in rural Ireland, some people are hedging their bets (don't believe but....... better not say that out loud just in case).

The huge crowd you refer to must have been in Dublin, no such outpouring of worry for my ovaries down here. I just googled it, organisers say 100,000 attended out of approx 1 million in Dublin, about 10%. I've only marched once in my life (I'm not young) and that was for cancer treatment centre in the south east - lots of people don't march, doesn't mean they agree.

I'm not complacent, I'm very realistic, but just maybe due to my age and rural abode, maybe I see things differently. We all want repeal and there's more than one way to get there, lets just agree to disagree and get back to dissing Bertie or is it TheeGlitz now (I'm convinced they are on a roster)

amdublin

I don't think dissing other posters should be a tactic whatsoever. For either side.

It is interesting to hear what the opposite (pro life) side is thinking and being able to tease out why it's bunkum.

No where near 100,000 attended but a good few came up from the country for the march, so not all dubs or based in Dublin.

It might be closer than some think, but as long as it's repealed is what matters.

amdublin

DubInMeath wrote: »

It might be closer than some think, but as long as it's repealed is what matters.

Agree

Don't care if it's 51 to 49. As long as it's repealed

It wasnt me123

amdublin wrote: »

I don't think dissing other posters should be a tactic whatsoever. For either side.

I was joking!!!! I have been joking in posts with Bertie for the last few days, that's what that sentence referred to.

Timberrrrrrrr

mikemac2 wrote: »

#hometovote on twitter has people showing their flight confirmations and are so proud to be voting

They fact they are not allowed does not seem to bother anyone

I live in the UK now, I have booked flights to come back to Dublin for the day to vote.

NuMarvel

I'm not following the entire discussion around British private service providers setting up in Ireland, but just bear in mind that our service delivery model will be different to Britain's.

In the first 12 weeks, when most abortions are carried out, a woman in Ireland would just need to visit a GP of family planning clinic to be prescribed the abortion pill. In Britain, the approval of two doctors is needed, even early on in pregnancy, which in practical terms would mean visiting a dedicated clinic or hospital.

Even if only a quarter of the GPs in Ireland agreed to provide abortion services, that's still over 500 GPs around the country.

As for surgical abortions, I don't think the numbers would justify the investment in infrastructure, technology, and personnel, even if it was the only facility in the country to offer these abortions (which it wouldn't be).

If Marie Stopes or someone else sets up, it'll be most likely as a wider family planning service, where medical abortions up to 12 weeks are one service. I can't see them offering surgical abortions "on demand up to 24 weeks" because a) the law as proposed doesn't allow that, and b) even if it did, a new service provider wouldn't get the number of patients needed to justify the investment.

January

Hundreds of people turned up for a love both rally in drogheda today lol

https://twitter.com/LoveBothDrog/status/980108146134970368?s=19

Annasopra

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm not niave and I do genuinely believe it will be a landslide victory for repeal.

I've never taken part in a poll; noone I know has ever taken part so I'm not sure they represent a proper cross section of society.

You are naive if you dont take polling seriously. Sorry but you are.

I just hate the idea of people being given the impression this is all over when it's not. There are millions of people still to convince.

BabysCoffee

I see from the Together for Yes facebook that they have printed a run of 5,000 posters. We should see lots of Yes posters going up. They will be crowdfunding for further printing runs.

amdublin

January wrote: »

Hundreds of people turned up for a love both rally in drogheda today lol

https://twitter.com/LoveBothDrog/status/980108146134970368?s=19

!!!!!!!!!!

Oh dear god almighty!!!!!

Maybe we will be ok! (The pro repeal side)

amdublin

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I see from the Together for Yes facebook that they have printed a run of 5,000 posters. We should see lots of Yes posters going up. They will be crowdfunding for further printing runs.

Crowd funding will be going live some time next week apparently. I've donated already but I'll be donating again to this I'd like to see more Yes posters up

January

January wrote: »

Hundreds of people turned up for a love both rally in drogheda today lol

https://twitter.com/LoveBothDrog/status/980108146134970368?s=19

Good few out canvassing in Dunshaughlin and I believe Dunboyne yesterday.
Stall set up outside Dunshaughlin Garda station, while two women were marching up and down the main street with a banner and posters. Village is covered with their posters, no sign of any repeal posters yet. Navan the same in terms of posters from what I could see.

whatdoicare

January wrote: »

Hundreds of people turned up for a love both rally in drogheda today lol

https://twitter.com/LoveBothDrog/status/980108146134970368?s=19

Are they counting those paper people and the children too young to vote??:pac::pac:

nice_guy80

Don't underestimate the NO side

They have their posters up
They are out there and are visible
They will be whipping up sentiment using lies and falsehoods (e.g. their posters)

mohawk

January wrote: »

Hundreds of people turned up for a love both rally in drogheda today lol

https://twitter.com/LoveBothDrog/status/980108146134970368?s=19

Thanks for that. Reading the comments below was very entertaining.
The picture of the inauguration crowd had me crying with laughter.

Still very wary about the result. If marriage equality referendum is anything to go by then some of those don't knows are 'shy' no voters.

applehunter

Madscientist30 wrote: »

Why is it so shocking to you? Lets assume that the pattern in Ireland is similar, 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in abortion (excluding miscarraiges).

Now think of the converse if abortion was completely outlawed/unavailable as you seem to favour...12,000 forced pregnancies a year in Ireland, 12,000 unwanted children being born into often very difficult circumstances. That is much more shocking for me to contemplate, the effect that would have on us as a society. Do you really feel that forcing all these pregnancies to continue is the better option? What are your proposals for supporting these extra lives, financially, emotionally, practically?

Where is your humanity?

I think that an abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

An unborn child that without violence would be walking around just like you or I.

The fact that 1/5 children are being killed is a shocking statistic.

It's no wonder there have been mathematicians out today trying to disprove it.