Is it possible to actually buy a new EV in Ireland!!??

zilog_jones

There are ZZ plates available in the Republic for this situation (exporting an unregistered car out of Ireland): https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/vehicle-registration-tax/zz-registrations-vintage-vehicles-and-zv-plates.aspx

But I don't know if there's a UK equivalent...

Mr_Man

In my case the dealer was going to drive the car to the nearest NCT centre on their plates, see the car was registered, and the VAT paid. I guess this would only work for dealers who operate close to the border.

jusmeig

Mr_Man wrote: »

If you are looking across the entire island then you should be able to find the car (apart from the Tesla) you want up north. I had been looking at the new leaf and the dealer assured me that I could have the acenta model I was looking at within a month from order.

You ensure that they know you are paying the VAT down here and there is a simple form to fill in. The dealer will want assurance that you are buying for export. Then you pay the VAT at the same time as any VRT and bob's your uncle.

Does the above work out cheaper than waiting and buying here?

Mr_Man

It can do, especially if you have less than €5,000 to pay on VRT as the current 'grant' covers that.

The VAT is 2% higher here but the UK car prices are lower and you tend to get a better spec and more choice. In the example that I was looking at I was potentially saving €3-4k.

ei9go

Suspect, you don't get either the UK government EV grant or ours if you try this in an EV.

cros13

ei9go wrote: »

Suspect, you don't get either the UK government EV grant or ours if you try this in an EV.

Yes, to get the UK grant it needs to be registered there. To get our grant the dealer and model need to be registered with SEAI.

Patser

Right EV basics 101 continues:

Of you've a heavy duty type 2 to type 2 cable, that's not the same as a dc ready cable unless it as that little extra 2 pin bit? Or is it actually dc ok with just standard connection.

Looking at cables online they all seem just normal, unless I go off looking for 3rd level charging, which show chunkier connectors that I can't find for sale anywhere

KCross

Patser wrote: »

Right EV basics 101 continues:

Of you've a heavy duty type 2 to type 2 cable, that's not the same as a dc ready cable unless it as that little extra 2 pin bit? Or is it actually dc ok with just standard connection.

Looking at cables online they all seem just normal, unless I go off looking for 3rd level charging, which show chunkier connectors that I can't find for sale anywhere

You only charge with DC at a rapid charger and they have the cable attached to them. i.e. you don't buy a cable for DC charging.


You only need an AC cable and every car comes with one.

Patser

Brilliant, and sorry posted this on wrong thread.

micherly

Surprised more people aren't going for the eGolf with the scrappage offer and so many have gone for other models like Leaf and Ioniq - the 5000 euro I got off brought the price down to under 31000 and then I added a couple of extras like the digital dash which brought it up to 32,500.

The boot with the seats down is pretty decent and very accessible - almost a flat floor with very little lip - I use it on a regular basis for sports equipment... so if thats an issue for the OP they should check it out and take it for an extended test drive - I did this for the old 30kwh LEAF and eGolf and the eGolf just worked much better for lifting stuff in and out.

Also the interior finish of the dash is the same spec as the GOLF R afaik. With the digital dash and 9 inch infotainment console - it just puts it at a different level from that in the LEAF. The ease of use of the software, etc. especially the Sat Nav is very useful when range is a daily issue like for me. Its useful to get a good idea of what distance your journey is and see it so clearly displayed on the Sat Nav. I found the LEAF display just a bit too clunky.

The car you are trading in can belong to anyone in your family so it might be useful for someone else... who might be able to do a deal with a mother or brother to trade in their banger?

unkel

micherly wrote: »

Surprised more people aren't going for the eGolf with the scrappage offer and so many have gone for other models like Leaf and Ioniq - the 5000 euro I got off brought the price down to under 31000

So you could have got the car on the road with metallic paint but no other options for about €31k?

More people aren't going for it, simply because they don't know about it. It's a lot of EV for the money, for a car that's clearly a level up from Leaf / Ioniq in both build quality and driving ability.

Donnelly117

unkel wrote: »

So you could have got the car on the road with metallic paint but no other options for about €31k?

More people aren't going for it, simply because they don't know about it. It's a lot of EV for the money, for a car that's clearly a level up from Leaf / Ioniq in both build quality and driving ability.

I assume without scrappage you'd be talking mid to late 30s though?

micherly

yes but with Accelerated capital allowance I'll be able to knock off another 6000 euro from my tax bill this year because of this purchase https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/energy/topics/Energy-Efficiency/business/business-support-programmes/Pages/Accelerated-Capital-Allowances.aspx

but you can do this with any electric car purchase if you are a business owner or sole trader.... so it really knocks the sting out of the first years cost of ownership.

KrustyBurger

Morning folks. I was on here a couple of years back seeking advice on buying an ev. Didn't do it then but happy to say I've put a deposit down on an ioniq.

From reading the threads I thought that I'd be waiting 6-8 months so I rang a garage to ask about lead in times. They had one in stock so I went for it.

Can't wait now! Thanks to everyone who posts here. Your insights and knowledge are extremely helpful. I had thought about the new leaf as an alternative if I couldnt get my hands on the ioniq but from reading the threads I had a nagging doubt. Just have to find a name for it now!

Donnelly117

Is pcp the way everyone is going with the current crop of evs? I'm starting to put a bit of a plan I'm place to go ev by the end of the year but I've always just bought cars outright as the complexities of finance are beyond me 😂

Given the rate of change of the range/charging times and the relatively high depreciation (which seems to be slowing) are these cars not something to want to end up owning in 3/4 years time? Does pcp take the risk out as you can hand the car back at the end? Would buying a new leaf/current gen ionic/new egolf outright be a mad investment?

goz83

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Is pcp the way everyone is going with the current crop of evs? I'm starting to put a bit of a plan I'm place to go ev by the end of the year but I've always just bought cars outright as the complexities of finance are beyond me ��

Given the rate of change of the range/charging times and the relatively high depreciation (which seems to be slowing) are these cars not something to want to end up owning in 3/4 years time? Does pcp take the risk out as you can hand the car back at the end? Would buying a new leaf/current gen ionic/new egolf outright be a mad investment?

I'm all for PCP....but I wouldn't use it if I was changing in 2/3 years, because I would have taken the biggest depreciation hit of around 50%.

If there is an EV which has sufficient range to cover 99% of your driving needs, then go for it and don't be worrying about cars with more range in the future.

I wouldn't recommend getting an EV if you have to rely on public chargers every day.

Donnelly117

goz83 wrote: »

I'm all for PCP....but I wouldn't use it if I was changing in 2/3 years, because I would have taken the biggest depreciation hit of around 50%.

If there is an EV which has sufficient range to cover 99% of your driving needs, then go for it and don't be worrying about cars with more range in the future.

I wouldn't recommend getting an EV if you have to rely on public chargers every day.

Im kind of in the opposite situation where id rarely have to rely on the network but not doing enough milage to see big savings. I only do 12k km a year. Saying that I wouldnt be buying EV to save money but rather cause I find them quite interesting (with the byproduct of savings obviously).

My daily round trip is only 50km and weekend driving is minimal tbh. If it wasnt for my current car Id just go out and buy a 24kw leaf but the though of selling it myself is painful

goz83

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Im kind of in the opposite situation where id rarely have to rely on the network but not doing enough milage to see big savings. I only do 12k km a year. Saying that I wouldnt be buying EV to save money but rather cause I find them quite interesting (with the byproduct of savings obviously).

My daily round trip is only 50km and weekend driving is minimal tbh. If it wasnt for my current car Id just go out and buy a 24kw leaf but the though of selling it myself is painful

We do around 8k klms per year per car. The idea of not pumping petrol, or diesel into the tank every week was enough for me to make the move.

H.E. Pennypacker

Donnelly117 wrote: »

If it wasnt for my current car Id just go out and buy a 24kw leaf but the though of selling it myself is painful

Talk to Phil in Electric Autos in Naas. I know someone who bought a Leaf from him. Phil was able to facilitate the sale of the old car (I think to a trade buyer)

Shefwedfan

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Im kind of in the opposite situation where id rarely have to rely on the network but not doing enough milage to see big savings. I only do 12k km a year. Saying that I wouldnt be buying EV to save money but rather cause I find them quite interesting (with the byproduct of savings obviously).

My daily round trip is only 50km and weekend driving is minimal tbh. If it wasnt for my current car Id just go out and buy a 24kw leaf but the though of selling it myself is painful

Phil in electric autos will trade it in. He justs sells them into trade buyers. My A6 ended up with Rightpricecars.

Donnelly117

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Phil in electric autos will trade it in. He justs sells them into trade buyers. My A6 ended up with Rightpricecars.

My car is only 2 years old (fiesta ST) so I had thought it would only be tradable against something 20+ Would Phil take something like that as a trade do ye reckon? Might give him a shout either way, I see his name come up here often!

ELM327

Donnelly117 wrote: »

My car is only 2 years old (fiesta ST) so I had thought it would only be tradable against something 20+ Would Phil take something like that as a trade do ye reckon? Might give him a shout either way, I see his name come up here often!

Only 1 way to know, and that's to ask him.
I bought my leaf there and also some cables and both he and his wife were very helpful on both occasions.

A 2 year old ST might indeed be too expensive for a tradein against a leaf.

Donnelly117

ELM327 wrote: »

Only 1 way to know, and that's to ask him.
I bought my leaf there and also some cables and both he and his wife were very helpful on both occasions.

A 2 year old ST might indeed be too expensive for a tradein against a leaf.

My thoughts exactly... I reckon my best route would be trade it in to buy something new like the leaf 40 or an ionic. Probably best to see pricing and range it's of the kona seeing as it's along before the end of the year! That or what the first up on donedeal and see if anyone bites

mad m

micherly wrote: »

Surprised more people aren't going for the eGolf with the scrappage offer and so many have gone for other models like Leaf and Ioniq - the 5000 euro I got off brought the price down to under 31000 and then I added a couple of extras like the digital dash which brought it up to 32,500.

The boot with the seats down is pretty decent and very accessible - almost a flat floor with very little lip - I use it on a regular basis for sports equipment... so if thats an issue for the OP they should check it out and take it for an extended test drive - I did this for the old 30kwh LEAF and eGolf and the eGolf just worked much better for lifting stuff in and out.

Also the interior finish of the dash is the same spec as the GOLF R afaik. With the digital dash and 9 inch infotainment console - it just puts it at a different level from that in the LEAF. The ease of use of the software, etc. especially the Sat Nav is very useful when range is a daily issue like for me. Its useful to get a good idea of what distance your journey is and see it so clearly displayed on the Sat Nav. I found the LEAF display just a bit too clunky.

The car you are trading in can belong to anyone in your family so it might be useful for someone else... who might be able to do a deal with a mother or brother to trade in their banger?

Real world driving what klm are you getting between charges on the eGolf.

unkel

EPA range of eGolf is 200km. That's a realistic estimate, less if you do a lot of motorway driving and / or in winter

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

EPA range of eGolf is 200km. That's a realistic estimate, less if you do a lot of motorway driving and / or in winter

Correct me if wrong but on that "review" they done 109miles at 70MPH. That would suggest 175km in the winter at full motorway speed.

I would expect in summer that would increase to at least 200km with full motorway speed.

If not on motorway I would expect at least 220-240km without breaking a sweat. If you use Eco mode etc then I would see that increase to 260km and not fair off the 300km.....

unkel

70mph (indicated) is not really motorway speed for me

EPA is about the same in eGolf and Ioniq. I'd say in practice too, they'd be very close in range. And yeah, hypermile your EV and you get more. There's a dude in Germany who got 370km in Ioniq :eek:

jusmeig

KrustyBurger wrote: »

Morning folks. I was on here a couple of years back seeking advice on buying an ev. Didn't do it then but happy to say I've put a deposit down on an ioniq.

From reading the threads I thought that I'd be waiting 6-8 months so I rang a garage to ask about lead in times. They had one in stock so I went for it.

Can't wait now! Thanks to everyone who posts here. Your insights and knowledge are extremely helpful. I had thought about the new leaf as an alternative if I couldnt get my hands on the ioniq but from reading the threads I had a nagging doubt. Just have to find a name for it now!

Good man! Only inventory seems to be white I dont want a white car Very impressed after the test drive I did, and a few videos online seems to who the Ioniq getting more range then the new Leaf due to being lighter and more efficient!!

jusmeig

jusmeig wrote: »

Good man! Only inventory seems to be white I dont want a white car Very impressed after the test drive I did, and a few videos online seems to who the Ioniq getting more range then the new Leaf due to being lighter and more efficient!!

Yup. White car screams "can't afford paint"

unkel

White is for vans