Is it time to build some high capacity Prisons in Ireland?

HONKEY TONK

With Ireland's increasing population and minimal free capacity left in the current prisons. Is it time to build some high capacity prisons in Ireland?

Im sure if we built large state of the art prisons the cost per prisoner will come down.

Trigger Happy

If by 'state of the art' you mean really really secure and functional- then yes, completely agree. And we need a justice system that dishes out proper sentences.

If you mean having more pool tables and sky sports and lots of mod cons for the inmates - no!

Donald Trump

Trigger Happy wrote: »

If you mean having more pool tables and sky sports and lots of mod cons for the inmates - no!

Mod cons for the cons?

wakka12

What is a 'state of the art' prison ??

dxhound2005

They have one in Cork.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/video-pics-new-era-dawns-for-corks-new-42m-state-of-the-art-prison-facility-377551.html

pleas advice

if you build it they will come
it'll be just like the motorways, they'll be running at capacity as soon as they're built

vicwatson

Thornton hall. Some dude got €30,000,000.00 of our money for his field

Mint Sauce

wakka12 wrote: »

What is a 'state of the art' prison ??

One with a revolving door, literally, making it easier for the repeat, and TV Licence offenders, and where Judges are scared or too stupid to give proper terms, so they can enter and exit even quicker.

SEPT 23 1989

the legal system works just fine if you work for the legal system so locking up people long term would be very bad for business

Hande hoche!

Some of the islands could do with an investment.

ancapailldorcha

Or we could just clear the nonsense out of the Irish legal system. For starters, nobody should be doing hard time for taking or selling drugs.

Guy:Incognito

wakka12 wrote: »

What is a 'state of the art' prison ??

Very high, very thick wall in a circle. With 1 door for adding more prisoners.

dxhound2005

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Or we could just clear the nonsense out of the Irish legal system. For starters, nobody should be doing hard time for taking or selling drugs.

I'm very relieved to hear that. I got my monthly supplies in the chemist today.

lifeandtimes

I can imagine the name of the prison documentary about it

tiocfaidh ar law!

Sleeper12

Trigger Happy wrote:

If you mean having more pool tables and sky sports and lots of mod cons for the inmates - no!

I've never heard of Sky Sports in prison. Most prisons provide RTE 1 RTE 2 TG4 & TV 3.

In some prisons you might have 2 pool tables between 100 prisoners & only an hour & a half to use them. You could wait a week for a chance to play.

dxhound2005

I know a quarry business that could supply the rocks for the chain gang.

Mint Sauce

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've never heard of Sky Sports in prison. Most prisons provide RTE 1 RTE 2 TG4 & TV 3.

In some prisons you might have 2 pool tables between 100 prisoners & only an hour & a half to use them. You could wait a week for a chance to play.

I doubt the crims employ a system where you put your euro on the table to mark your turn either.

Capt'n Midnight

We could outsource. Send people out to a prison in Eastern Europe. Sure they have potatoes over there too. They'll be grand.

For habitual offenders we could save even more by forgetting to come and collect them afterwards.

Hitman3000

Trigger Happy wrote:

If by 'state of the art' you mean really really secure and functional- then yes, completely agree. And we need a justice system that dishes out proper sentences.

Do you mean jailing white collar criminals? Prison will be full quite quickly so.

mojesius

For the 30+ conviction Anto brigade, we should make use of our barren uninhabited islands. Ship them off with a bag of seeds to grow their own food and let them learn to fend for themselves. No prison staff necessary.

Ronin247

We should just get Trumps Mexican wall builders, build a big wall round Tallaght and kill two birds with one stone.

Are Am Eye

I would suggest we invest in a State of the Art vat of Hydrochloric Acid.
Big yoke. About two million gallons. Throw convicts into it (Or use a fun slide?)

Markcheese

vicwatson wrote: »

Thornton hall. Some dude got €30,000,000.00 of our money for his field

To be honest....in terms of the bust that was one of the states better deals... Amazingly enough.. (as in after they'd pissed away 30 million they still had a field... That they paid sécurity to guard)

When it comes to the delivery of a prison service I think it's important to realise that one size most definitely does not fit all.There are those who must never see the light of day or any perks of living and others who would be suited to a more rehabilitative environment.

Donald Trump

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Or we could just clear the nonsense out of the Irish legal system. For starters, nobody should be doing hard time for taking or selling drugs.

A1.

Let me know when you get into power.

I want to make sure to bags the best place outside the local primary school for me crack stall. Will do a lunchtime gateway special for the kids. Buy two mars bars and get some free crack

Cee-Jay-Cee

The current shower in government cant even get a children's hospital built, what hope is there getting them to build a prison. It ain't happening on Leo's watch that's for sure.

Donald Trump

mojesius wrote: »

For the 30+ conviction Anto brigade, we should make use of our barren uninhabited islands. Ship them off with a bag of seeds to grow their own food and let them learn to fend for themselves. No prison staff necessary.

You're a few hundred years behind the times.

Although we kinda implemented it again partially in 2008-2009 when we shipped off more of them again to Australia....but unfortunately a good few came back this time

Donald Trump

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The current shower in government cant even get a children's hospital built, what hope is there getting them to build a prison. It ain't happening on Leo's watch that's for sure.

Or even a hybrid. A children's prison. Two for the price of one

Actually, wait, is there not already a children's hospital in Tallaght?
I always assumed that was part-hospital/part-prison due to the name/location

dxhound2005

Donald Trump wrote: »

A1.

Let me know when you get into power.

I want to make sure to bags the best place outside the local primary school for me crack stall. Will do a lunchtime gateway special for the kids. Buy two mars bars and get some free crack

Donald, I think you misunderstand how this would work. Taxpayers money would fund heroin and cocaine to be administered by hundreds of doctors who are not very busy at the moment. Lawyers would be standing by to arrange compensation claims if any of the users happened to suffer some adverse outcome. Very simple really.

4068ac1elhodqr

Cargo ship outfitted in the far-east, with accommodation for a few thousand, cheaper than a fancy new building, park it anywhere you like.
They have one over in the Bronx, NYC is now safer than London for lower level type crimes.

Kimbot

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've never heard of Sky Sports in prison. Most prisons provide RTE 1 RTE 2 TG4 & TV 3.

In some prisons you might have 2 pool tables between 100 prisoners & only an hour & a half to use them. You could wait a week for a chance to play.

Well they have a few sports channels and that's a fact also 2 pool tables between 100 prisoners is underestimating it, there is probably 2 per landing in most cases and depending on the prison there is approx 20 - 30 per landing

Kimbot

Emilee Proud Prodigy wrote: »

Cargo ship outfitted in the far-east, with accommodation for a few thousand, cheaper than a fancy new building, park it anywhere you like.
They have one over in the Bronx, NYC is now safer than London for lower level type crimes.

That system is good but would it be suited to our little country? Access to a ship of the coast would be easy if someone wanted to organise a breakout.

Vladimir Poontang

jonnycivic wrote: »

That system is good but would it be suited to our little country? Access to a ship of the coast would be easy if someone wanted to organise a breakout.

Not if we fill it then let it sink by "accident".

4068ac1elhodqr

jonnycivic wrote: »

That system is good but would it be suited to our little country? Access to a ship of the coast would be easy if someone wanted to organise a breakout.

The big drop down, would be the 1st challenge, then there's the 10oC waters, and the 300m swim, perhaps a few drone sharks could be deployed to swim around the thing. Not pretty, but maybe cheaper than the land alternative.

Pawwed Rig

Ships are fairly expensive. Probably more so than bricks and mortar when you take maintenance into account. Also you would need to evacuate the whole thing everytime there was a bit of wind.

I like the outside the box thinking though.

Getting the jail population to do something constructive should be a priority imo whether that is education or work.

Hitman3000

Donald Trump wrote:

I want to make sure to bags the best place outside the local primary school for me crack stall. Will do a lunchtime gateway special for the kids. Buy two mars bars and get some free crack

I could be wrong but I doubt it's the hard-core drugs the poster meant. Cannabis should be legal, tax it use the money to fight the hard stuff and throw a few bob at a new prison.

4068ac1elhodqr

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ships are fairly expensive. Probably more so than bricks and mortar when you take maintenance into account. Also you would need to evacuate the whole thing everytime there was a bit of wind.

I like the outside the box thinking though.

Getting the jail population to do something constructive should be a priority imo whether that is education or work.

Probably wouldn't notice a strong gale on that anchored barge of 47,326 tonnes.

Wiki says it cost $160m usd (via New Orleans) late and over-budget. China could build it half that, and on time. (they have some excess steel now). Space for just 800 it says, but still the world's largest of that type.

It's a 'correctional facility' so imagine education and psycho-reorientation would be a priority.

Kimbot

Emilee Proud Prodigy wrote: »

The big drop down, would be the 1st challenge, then there's the 10oC waters, and the 300m swim, perhaps a few drone sharks could be deployed to swim around the thing. Not pretty, but maybe cheaper than the land alternative.

Well look at it this way, you will need a crew to run the ship and maintain it. Then you will need your prison officers and prison staff to run the jail side of things. Then access for the staff on and off the ship etc and it would actually cost more overall to run.

Kimbot

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ships are fairly expensive. Probably more so than bricks and mortar when you take maintenance into account. Also you would need to evacuate the whole thing everytime there was a bit of wind.

I like the outside the box thinking though.

Getting the jail population to do something constructive should be a priority imo whether that is education or work.

Prisoners should be put to work like the chain gangs in America to pay back some of the damage they gave done to society.

Capt'n Midnight

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ships are fairly expensive. Probably more so than bricks and mortar when you take maintenance into account. Also you would need to evacuate the whole thing everytime there was a bit of wind.

Oh no , that's the beauty of the system.

Bit of wind ?

Be a real shame if the anchor dragged .... and the barge floated off .... to be ... someone else's problem.

dxhound2005

Gerry Adams was in a prison ship. Sounds like a bit of a holiday camp, to be honest.

Samuel T. Cogley

We absolutely should scour the world for the most successful prison system and do that.

Hint: That isn't the US.

Donald Trump

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Very high, very thick wall in a circle. With 1 door for adding more prisoners.

Feck that fancy schmancy door idea.

Lets just lob them over the top of the walls into it with a medieval style catapult

Occasionally lob a few loaves of bread across too.

And once a year, a few bows and a heap of arrows for some Hunger-Games-style craic

Donald Trump

Derek Stutter wrote: »

I'd like to see a US style supermax prison for the worst of the worst.

I can hear the ad now

Tasty and tempting food at....Supermax

jonnycivic

jonnycivic wrote: »

Well look at it this way, you will need a crew to run the ship and maintain it. Then you will need your prison officers and prison staff to run the jail side of things. Then access for the staff on and off the ship etc and it would actually cost more overall to run.

I keep hearing these claims that AI and automation will take all our jobs. Surely we can intentionally use AI/Automation for most of the work on the ship, with a skeleton crew somewhere secure nearby for maintenance or that personal touch?

Capt'n Midnight

Elon Musk has plans for a $200K one way ticket to Mars.

just saying ...

Capt'n Midnight

Donald Trump wrote: »

I can hear the ad now

Tasty and tempting food at....Supermax

I have a Modest Proposal For preventing Poor People From being a Burthen to the Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick

Donald Trump

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I have a Modest Proposal For preventing Poor People From being a Burthen to the Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick

Kill the poor?

Hande hoche!

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Elon Musk has plans for a $200K one way ticket to Mars.

just saying ...

Australia turned out okay..

kumate_champ07

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Or we could just clear the nonsense out of the Irish legal system. For starters, nobody should be doing hard time for taking or selling drugs.

as long as theyre not involved in violent criminal gangs, or sell to under 18's

aidan24326

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

We absolutely should scour the world for the most successful prison system and do that.

Hint: That isn't the US.

The US prison system is a disgrace and we certainly don't want to be copying them. Their policy has been to build lots of big prisons and throw everyone in there who farts sideways, with sentences of life without parole being dished out even for non-violent crimes in some states, and until recently for minors aswell. They have 20% of the world's prison population with only 4% of the actual population, and private companies getting rich off the back of the cheap labour it provides.