Anyone drink distilled water?

LostYourNerve?

I think it'd be nice to know that what you're drinking is pure water. There's all sorts of stuff getting into water these days, at every increasing rates. Antibiotics, contraceptives, pharmaceutical effluents, hospital discharges. Water treatment plants fail to tackle such compounds, as it would be too expensive to implement the technology.

This is why I'm thinking of buying this water distiller: https://www.megahome-distillers.co.uk/316-steel-water-distiller

Many of these are endocrine disruptors, or estrogen mimicking compounds. The argument made by some, is that their concentrations are so low, that they don't pose a threat to us. However, I'm considering erring on the safe side! Because when you hear reports, such as that up to 90% of the male smallmouth fish in America's Chesapeake Bay being intersex, you begin to wonder otherwise. You also begin to wonder why no one can answer the question of why male sperm counts have dropped more than 50% in the last 50 years.

Norway, for example, has banned production of some of these pharmaceutical ingredients (nonylphenol and octylphenol ethoxylates) which are surfactants that have been shown to contribute significant estrogenicity to rivers downstream of industrial wastewater discharges. But most countries simply don't care as there is no political push for it.

The other thing with distilled water, is that there's no fluorine and chlorine issues. And check out what this guy claims between 1:17-1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9K4Es9FNG0&t=140s Does that plaque cause blockage to arteries?

Thanks

Donnielighto

You working for them? Very new acc

LostYourNerve?

Donnielighto wrote: »

You working for them? Very new acc

I'm not, there's others on the market that I could have easily referred to as well.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CE-Certificate-Stainless-Steel-Water-distiller-water-purifier-with-glass-jar-and-steel-body-for-home/32696060438.html?src=google&albslr=220429647&isdl=y&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&source=%7Bifdyn:dyn%7D%7Bifpla:pla%7D%7Bifdbm:DBM&albch=DID%7D&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&isdl=y&albcp=913261809&albag=48743179105&slnk=&trgt=296303633664&plac=&crea=en32696060438&netw=g&device=c&mtctp=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-YCJu_i22QIV5p3tCh3HtAP0EAQYBCABEgIAC_D_BwE

For some reason I'd just like to here the opinions of what fellow Irish think about this matter before forking out that money. But I probably spend close to a €100 a year on buying my bottled water anyway, so it might be worth the money. However I only found out recently that bottled water is much the same as tap water anyway, so that was a bit of a shock!

It's obviously not something any gym trainer would be telling you. It's more of a long haul health strategy... that's not very sexy to talk about!!

riffmongous

I really dislike the advertisement, the way it's written just screams quack science and bull**** to me... Even though I do actually agree with the idea, and a friend of mine is studying hormone dispersion in water systems so I know at some level it's of scientific interest.

The main thing would be to find out (from a proper source) is if the deminieralisation would cause health problems.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

I really dislike the advertisement, the way it's written just screams quack science and bull**** to me.

But a distiller is a distiller! That's what I'm hoping. Did you watch the vid along with the advert?

The distiller in the 2nd link I posted might be harder to have shipped!

riffmongous wrote: »

The main thing would be to find out (from a proper source) is if the deminieralisation would cause health problems.

Well that wouldn't make any sense. We obviously depend on food for our minerals! not water!

Anyone who's taken a chemistry module knows that 2 part per millions (or whatev it is) of calcium is insignificant. It's for taste and marketing, right?

my3cents

One of the dafter ideas I heard recently.

There are plenty of issues with drinking only distilled water as anyone with google can find out.

riffmongous

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

But a distiller is a distiller! That's what I'm hoping. Did you watch the vid along with the advert?

The distiller in the 2nd link I posted might be harder to have shipped!
Well that wouldn't make any sense. We obviously depend on food for our minerals! not water!

Anyone who's taken a chemistry module knows that 2 part per millions (or whatev it is) of calcium is insignificant. It's for taste and marketing, right?

Whether ppm is insignificant or not will depend on the element or compound in question. And if such small amounts are insignificant why are you worried about hormones and stuff in the water? Get a filter instead

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

if such small amounts are insignificant why are you worried about hormones and stuff in the water?

I'm being met with a lot of resistance here!

The amounts of calcium (& other minerals) put in water is controlled, and they're intended to be there. As regards the stuff I'm concerned about, well that isn't controlled. Whether the amount is insignificant or not, depends on whether it's a compound of benefit, or detriment.

And it's not just hormones. It's God knows what! Aren't most of the piping systems in place in Irish cities been in place since the Victorian period?! You say "just because everybody else drinks it?" Do you really think people care about what's in their water? Their minds' are on the 8th amendment, and so on!

riffmongous wrote: »

Get a filter instead

That really over simplifies matters. A filter removes dirt from water... dirt that is visable. By and large, it is no good for the dissolved compounds.

LostYourNerve?

my3cents wrote: »

One of the dafter ideas I heard recently.

Don't be so headstrong young man.

So it's okay for one to get langers drunk, but if they drink pure water they're doomed!?

my3cents wrote: »

There are plenty of issues with drinking only distilled water as anyone with google can find out.

There are plenty of issues with drinking only tap water, as anyone with google will find out!

riffmongous

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

That really over simplifies matters.

A filter removes dirt from water... dirt that is visable. By and large, it is no good for the dissolved compounds.

That depends on your filtration system

riffmongous

my3cents wrote: »

One of the dafter ideas I heard recently.

There are plenty of issues with drinking only distilled water as anyone with google can find out.

There is a science background to it, like I said know people who research the dispersion and infiltration of viruses and hormones from rivers into drinking water systems, so the issue is taken seriously the problem is it's being taken over by people who I would describe as fundamentally antiscience, like that creep Alex jones

artanevilla

All the water I drink is distilled. First though it's malted, mashed and fermented. Then after it's stored in oak barrels for at least three years.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

There is a science background to it, like I said know people who research the dispersion and infiltration of viruses and hormones from rivers into drinking water systems, so the issue is taken seriously the problem is it's being taken over by people who I would describe as fundamentally antiscience, like that creep Alex jones

Some pharma companies are inspected by the EPA, some are not.

By and large, the issue is definitely not taken seriously. I'll admit that this doesn't mean that the concs of pollutants aren't of negligible amounts by the time we drink the water again. If so, it's not bcoz it's enforced!

A lot of pharma/hospital waste ends up going to treatment plants, some of which don't have tertiary treatment processes. There's currently over 40 sewage treatment plants in Ireland that don't have either secondary or tertiary treatment processes. And we're a first world country! No one has a clue what gets into the environment this way, nor does anyone care.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

That depends on your filtration system

Either way, distillation is the purest and most efficient process. All other processes only capture certain percentages. There's even a diagram showing such, somewhere in the advert I posted.

my3cents

artanevilla wrote: »

All the water I drink is distilled. First though it's malted, mashed and fermented. Then after it's stored in oak barrels for at least three years.

Now I think we are getting to the bottom of this thread....

4068ac1elhodqr

The regular cheap 5-stage water filters do take a fair bit of rubbish out of tap water,
but of course, distilled water is the best (but expensive to invest in and maybe to run).

An equal if not bigger threat to hormone disruption is plastics (BHA) found in everyday objects
esp. take-away coffee cups, tinned food with white interiors, and all those creams, lotions and potions.

Today's papers even mention aftershaves/perfumes as strong endocrine disruptions for mums to be.

riffmongous

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Some pharma companies are inspected by the EPA, some are not.

By and large, the issue is definitely not taken seriously. I'll admit that this doesn't mean that the concs of pollutants aren't of negligible amounts by the time we drink the water again. If so, it's not bcoz it's enforced!

A lot of pharma/hospital waste ends up going to treatment plants, some of which don't have tertiary treatment processes. There's currently over 40 sewage treatment plants in Ireland that don't have either secondary or tertiary treatment processes. And we're a first world country! No one has a clue what gets into the environment this way, nor does anyone care.

Well I agree with you here, in that it's something that should be looked into and addressed, but where I live it's not such an issue as almost all of the water is taken from a mountain source and only a small amount is vulnerable (but they still are researching it), so I haven't looked too deeply into it myself.

But where I don't agree is on the deminieralisation and whether distillation is the perfect solution without properly researched evidence. The hormones shouldn't be jn the water so taking them out has to be positive, without any research we can say this, but minerals usually are there so why take them out unless you are totally sure it won't cause problems

LostYourNerve?

jodaw wrote: »

In case your are interested I will be selling a double distiller soon. Distills two jugs at once so produce 7 liters in 5 hours. Comes with two high quality glass jugs rather than the plastic than most distillers come with.

On a TDS meter the solids are reduced from 330 out of the tap to 5 post distillation without carbon post filter.

Price 200.

Where you living? €200 isn't really much different from the advert... and for something that's 2nd hand.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

But where I don't agree is on the deminieralisation and whether distillation is the perfect solution without properly researched evidence.

How bad could it be if u've a balanced diet? I'll start with drinking lets say 1/2 the time any way, and i'll be sure not to cook with it.

So you can stay on tap water until you've done research on the harmful effects of pollutants in water, and as for me, I'll stay on distilled water until I've done research on the harmful effects of demineralisation!!

LostYourNerve?

Elliott Microscopic Brass wrote: »

The regular cheap 5-stage water filters do take a fair bit of rubbish out of tap water,
but of course, distilled water is the best (but expensive to invest in and maybe to run).

An equal if not bigger threat to hormone disruption is plastics (BHA) found in everyday objects
esp. take-away coffee cups, tinned food with
Today's papers even mention aftershaves/perfumes as strong endocrine disruptions for mums to be.

Someone on my team at long last!

I'm aware of BPA too. I avoid it like crazy. I think it's kinda a separate issue here, as its mainly associated with food/water containers.

I don't know how likely it would be to get into the water during water treatment though, or what sort of vessels it's stored in.

Elliott Microscopic Brass wrote: »

white interiors

what are they?

Elliott Microscopic Brass wrote: »

all those creams, lotions and potions.

you mean their bottles contain BPA, or that BPA is actually in the cream's ingredients?

Alf Veedersane

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Some pharma companies are inspected by the EPA, some are not.

Some are licensed by the EPA because of the waste they generate but I'd be surprised if all the others didnt have a Waste Water Discharge licence on account of discharging to the sewer system

riffmongous

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

How bad could it be if u've a balanced diet? I'll start with drinking lets say 1/2 the time any way, and i'll be sure not to cook with it.

So you can stay on tap water until you've done research on the harmful effects of pollutants in water, and as for me, I'll stay on distilled water until I've done research on the harmful effects of demineralisation!!

'A balanced diet' is a bit wishy washy to me, how do you know that when the idea of a balanced diet was thought up that it included minerals from drinking water and by removing them you are unbalancing it?

4068ac1elhodqr

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Someone on my team at long last!

I'm aware of BPA too. I avoid it like crazy. I think it's kinda a separate issue here, as its mainly associated with food/water containers.

I don't know how likely it would be to get into the water during water treatment though, or what sort of vessels it's stored in.
what are they?

you mean their bottles contain BPA, or that BPA is actually in the cream's ingredients?

The problem with BPA is that it's extremely hard to avoid, most commonly: any tinned food, most bottled waters or any coffee to go. Tinned sweetcorn is the worst, as it has heavy duty (white lined) thick BPA inside it's tin that sits on shelves for years.

Most cosmetic or medicinal creams are plastic/oil chemical based with plenty of parabens, fragrances, preservatives etc.

Avoiding disruptors from water, is only half (or quarter) the battle.

Modern life unfortunately includes these nasties:

BPA (bisphenol A), BHT, Parabens, Perchlorate, Triclosan, UV filters, Phthalates, Perfluorinated chemicals, Pesticides, Phytoestrogens, PCBs, Dioxins, Flame retardants...

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

'A balanced diet' is a bit wishy washy to me, how do you know that when the idea of a balanced diet was thought up that it included minerals from drinking water and by removing them you are unbalancing it?

Well haven't I already sort refuted that point in was it my first reply to you.

0byme75341jo28

Wouldn't you be losing all the good impurities in water if you drink only distilled? Or is that only in deionised water?

Would drinking only bottled water not be handier?

riffmongous

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Well haven't I already sort refuted that point in was it my first reply to you.

You saying 'obviously' isn't anywhere near good enough

riffmongous

Bryant Tender Steroid wrote: »

Wouldn't you be losing all the good impurities in water if you drink only distilled? Or is that only in deionised water?

Would drinking only bottled water not be handier?

Yes you would, distilled water is to a very high tolerance just pure water, as close as you can get.

The issue with bottled is it depends on what is the source of the water, and cost (you probably also have carbon footprint issues too if that bothers you)
Edit: And maybe plastic content too

LostYourNerve?

Bryant Tender Steroid wrote: »

Wouldn't you be losing all the good impurities in water if you drink only distilled? Or is that only in deionised water?

Would drinking only bottled water not be handier?

People give so much weight to that weak argument! You could tell them that there's poison in the water, and they'd still be referring to this stuff.

Read over the comments posted thus far.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

The issue with bottled is it depends on what is the source of the water, and cost (you probably also have carbon footprint issues too if that bothers you)
Edit: And maybe plastic content too

Well I'll have the issue of a carb footprint when I plug in my distiller!

ED E

Inhales diesel particulates for hours each day. Worries about 0.0001ppm in heavily treated water supply.



Look at the crap thats in the Ganges and yet millions of people get their water supply directly from it. Its not good for they aren't keeling over in their thousands. People really need to stop treating their bodies like hermetic laboratories - within limits your immuno and endocrine systems will do what they've been bred to do for milenia.

LostYourNerve?

riffmongous wrote: »

You saying 'obviously' isn't anywhere near good enough

It is obvious that we need only depend on our food for minerals. That's not what they claim the issue with distilled water is. They claim that distilled water (being more reactive) will leach the minerals out of the body. Anything articles agst distilled water, that came up through google for me, seemed to have no reference newer than 20 years!

Check out what this guy claims between 1:17-1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9K4Es9FNG0&t=140s

Does that plaque cause blockage to arteries? That's what I must look into.

LostYourNerve?

Elliott Microscopic Brass wrote: »

The problem with BPA is that it's extremely hard to avoid, most commonly: any tinned food, most bottled waters

No, most water bottles are triangles 1 or 2, which should be fine.

rubadub

A list of Common Water Impurities removed by water distillers
Organic Chemicals: Antibiotics, Fertilizers, Pesticides, Insecticides, Herbicides, Solvents, Growth Hormones.
Inorganic Chemicals: Hard Water Minerals, Phosphorus, Asbestos, Selenium, Sodium, Fluoride, Iron, Lead, Mercury, Barium, Nitrates, Copper, Lead, Chlorine, Arsenic.
Biological Contaminants: Bacteria, Viruses, Chryptosporidium, Chlamydia, Giardia Cysts
Radioactive: Radium, Strontium 90, Plutonium.

Most common solvents would have boiling points below that of water so would carry them over to the final product, I expect the same could be true of other things on the list. Homedistillation sites sell these stills for that reason.

Have you looked at reverse osmosis? (not that I think either is really worthwhile)

LostYourNerve?

rubadub wrote: »

Most common solvents would have boiling points below that of water so would carry them over to the final product, I expect the same could be true of other things on the list. Homedistillation sites sell these stills for that reason.

Have you looked at reverse osmosis? (not that I think either is really worthwhile)

Well if the boiling point were lower, doesn't that mean they'd be left behind?

Maybe some of the solvents with the higher boiling points might go though. Either way though, overall, things can only get better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-ai9HuR60

rubadub

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Well if the boiling point were lower, doesn't that mean they'd be left behind?

No, it means they are more likely to be transferred over.

Contrary to popular belief they do not boil off preferentially. e.g. pure ethanol alcohol boils at ~78C, some think if you hold a sauce at say 80C then all the alcohol will magically boil off while water will stay behind. Doesnt work like that.

The ones with higher boiling points would more likely stay behind, but would still make it through to some degree.

As said earlier you are likely inhaling diesel inhalants etc. If you are genuinely wanting to cut down on chemicals you inadvertently ingest there might be better ways to go about it, like wearing some sort of mask when walking outside, even for a few seconds it could give the equivalent effect of a years switching to distilled water.

Mellor

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

They claim that distilled water (being more reactive) will leach the minerals out of the body.

That's true. It's not because it reactive, it's simply how the kidneys work. Happens to a milder degree even with tap water.

Look at dehydration/rehydration. If drink lots of plain water, you can end up dehydrated as when you piss it away, flushing out your kidneys in the process. If people are suffering from dehydration, plain water doesn't help the situation. They need water with dissolved minerals to effectively re-hydrate.

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

Well if the boiling point were lower, doesn't that mean they'd be left behind?

Maybe some of the solvents with the higher boiling points might go though. Either way though, overall, things can only get better.

It's the other way around. Anything with a boiling point lower than water goes through with the water. Leaving behind the dissolved solids.

LostYourNerve?

rubadub wrote: »

No, it means they are more likely to be transferred over.

But they're already there in the first place!

JJayoo

Just drink your own piss

Tar.Aldarion

No, it doesn't have flouride! A lot of minerals and fortified goodness in the water I drink.

OldingHostage

riffmongous wrote: »

But where I don't agree is on the deminieralisation and whether distillation is the perfect solution without properly researched evidence. The hormones shouldn't be jn the water so taking them out has to be positive, without any research we can say this, but minerals usually are there so why take them out unless you are totally sure it won't cause problems

Maybe I can add the minerals myself! after distilling. Now we're talking!

OldingHostage

rubadub wrote: »

As said earlier you are likely inhaling diesel inhalants etc.

why make it any worse?

rubadub

OldingHostage wrote: »

why make it any worse?

are you in effect (or directly) asking why leave the house?

how do you gauge what is "worse"?

Maybe you are agreeing with my comment?

wearing some sort of mask when walking outside, even for a few seconds it could give the equivalent effect of a years switching to distilled water.

prinzeugen

Drinking distilled water is not a good idea.

The body needs minerals that distillation would remove.

CastielJ

I drink only pure water

CulptPrit

rubadub wrote: »

are you in effect (or directly) asking why leave the house?

No, he/she is asking why drink poor water, as well as sucking diesel fumes.