Peugeot 508 2018

zilog_jones

This has a new 1.5 diesel, I assume it's a different engine completely though can't find much info about it.

The old PSA DV6 1.6 engine I wouldn't touch with a barge pole - there's a certain thread here about a C5 with one of these that is a good example of their reputation...

GeneHunt

vectra wrote: »

Looking like November for pricing to be released and December/January before they will be in showrooms.

On the engine side I think it is 1.5 diesel ( not 1.6 ??)
Reviews seem good but if you are comparing it to a Mazda 2.2 ??
I think you would feel the lack of grunt TBH.

I would agree with vectra about the comparing Mazda 2.2 to the Peugeot 1.5 HDi, you may need to look at the 2.0 HDi.

I was speaking to some of the guys from Gowan on the Peugeot stand at the Ploughing last week, they are thinking January release date, but they plan to have a few cars here in November and December for viewing going around the dealers, so get into your local dealer to see when they expect to have one.

Approx starting prices for the Peugeot 508 Active is €35,000, with the Peugeot 508 Allure at €37,000, Peugeot 508 GT line at €39,000 and the Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

PN14

Cheers lads. Thanks for feedback
I was thinking the drop back from the 2.2 in the mazda will be something I'd find hard to live with. 2.0ltr is prob the way to go but might push the car beyond the budget. Will drop into the local dealer over the next while to see.

kerten

zilog_jones wrote: »

This has a new 1.5 diesel, I assume it's a different engine completely though can't find much info about it.

The old PSA DV6 1.6 engine I wouldn't touch with a barge pole - there's a certain thread here about a C5 with one of these that is a good example of their reputation...

As far as I know that engine issues you are referring are for limited to pre-2012 1.6 hdi engines.

vectra

GeneHunt wrote: »

I would agree with vectra about the comparing Mazda 2.2 to the Peugeot 1.5 HDi, you may need to look at the 2.0 HDi.

I was speaking to some of the guys from Gowan on the Peugeot stand at the Ploughing last week, they are thinking January release date, but they plan to have a few cars here in November and December for viewing going around the dealers, so get into your local dealer to see when they expect to have one.

Approx Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

:cool::cool:
That makes it sound more tempting.
I wonder what spec will it have and what would need to be added ?

GeneHunt

Approx Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

vectra wrote: »

:cool::cool:
That makes it sound more tempting.
I wonder what spec will it have and what would need to be added ?

Sorry Vectra but I think the guys from Gowan are a little light on some of there "approx" prices that they said to me as they want to sell cars, so I wouldn't be too hard on them for that. I've looked at the out going car price list and I've put my own approx prices on the new Peugeot 508 (see lower table).

Below is the out going Peugeot 508 car price list* (2015 - 2018 Facelift model)
(Prices taken from www.Peugeot.ie on 29th Nov 2017, current price list is limited to only the Active 1.6 HDi car, as the car is now getting phased out)

Model Engine Fuel Saloon SW
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €28,435 €29,975
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €30,135 N/A
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €29,000 €30,540
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €30,700 €32,240
Active 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €30,595 €32,135
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €30,535 €32,075
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €33,445 N/A
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,310 €33,460
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €34,010 €35,550
Allure 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €33,905 €35,445
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,385 N/A
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,950 N/A
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €34,650 N/A
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €34,545 N/A
GT 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €41,560 €43,460
RXH 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic N/A €42,080


Here's my guesstimate on the 2019 Peugeot 508 price list.
It's a total wild guess on the Hybrid4 models, but I would expect about €2,500 extra on the petrol models.

Model Engine Fuel Transmission Saloon SW
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S BVM6 Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,700 €34,300
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €34,800 €36,400
Active 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €35,100 €36,700
Active 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €37,600 €39,500
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €37,000 €38,600
Allure 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €37,900 €39,500
Allure 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €40,400 €42,300
Allure 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €39,100 €40,700
GT - Line 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €40,200 €41,900
GT - Line 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €42,700 €44,600
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €41,500 €43,200
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €43,500 €45,200
GT 1.6 PureTech 225bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €46,100 €48,000
GT 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €48,600 €50,500
GT 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €47,900 €49,800

bazz26

Detailed review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ifiu8ZGu_w

ForestFire

https://www.peugeot.ie/range/find-your-vehicle/new-peugeot-508.html

Hurry up and get them now before they are all gone..... ;-)

Stallingrad

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

Zubeneschamali

Stallingrad wrote: »

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

We all know this will sell very poorly - when was the last time Peugeot, Citroen or Renault had a real seller in this class?

zilog_jones

The 406 sold pretty well and had a decent reputation - but that was also back when things like the Mondeo, Vectra, Carina E/Avensis, etc. were also big sellers. That segment is pretty much dead now, it's going to be a hard sell either way.

GeneHunt

Stallingrad wrote: »

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

I just compared the prices for the Peugeot 508 in France

Peugeot 508 Active from €32,200
Peugeot 508 Active SW from €33,600
Peugeot 508 Allure from €35,100
Peugeot 508 Allure SW from €38,200
Peugeot 508 GTLine from €40,000
Peugeot 508 GTLine SW from €41,300
Peugeot 508 GT from €46,000
Peugeot 508 GT SW from €47,300

I still think I'm pretty close on the prices, even the Irish BMW 5 Series is a little higher priced here see below

Irish BMW 5 Series from €48,750.00

French BMW 5 Series from €46,350.00

nc6000

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

GeneHunt

nc6000 wrote: »

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

I'd doubt the 508 Allure will be as high as 40k (unless your planning on looking at the options list ), but I expect it it will be around 36k to 37k.

vectra

I wouldnt be spending 46 grand on a GT either :eek:

The Royal Scam

nc6000 wrote: »

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

I am on my 3rd 508sw company car. I normally do 80k a year and love them. My current allowance is 29.7k list , I cannot see my company keeping them on the list with these increases

Johnfred

At those prices they won't be selling many. A Passat would be cheaper!

For Forks Sake

Johnfred wrote: »

At those prices they won't be selling many. A Passat would be cheaper!

Are they trying to pitch it againnst the Passat or the Aerteon ? Gorgeous car, but they won't be shifting many of them.

nc6000

You could get a decent spec Mercedes CLA for similar money.

bazz26

The CLA is way smaller than the 508 and aimed at a different market. The VW Aerteon would probably be the closest competition to the new 508 and the Aerteon ain't selling much here either due to its high price and limited model range.

I cannot see many spending 40k on a new 508 to be honest and those that do will be hit with heavy depreciation meaning any sold could be good value second hand. Unfortunately I think the new 508 will be a rare sight on these shores.

Leonard Hofstadter

Prices are nuts for the higher spec when you consider that a brand new 318d will start at about €44k when it goes on sale in March.

GeneHunt

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Are they trying to pitch it againnst the Passat or the Aerteon ? Gorgeous car, but they won't be shifting many of them.

Going by what I have read (example) they are pitching it at the Mondeo, Passat, Arteon, Audi A4 and A5, BMW 3 series.
PSA Group plan to move Peugeot cars more upmarket. They have been investing heavily in quality over the last few years, the current out going 508 is starting to show that. They also plan not to sell loads of them, they intend to stop the fleet discount in the UK, as that is what causes the heavy depreciation. The number of levels of spec has reduced and standard equipment is high. We should have real prices from Peugeot Ireland by the end of this month (I think it could even be the next week, the 18th Oct is in my head, but I could be wrong), and then we can really compare the prices, but for time been I have included a few prices of other cars below.

The Ford Mondeo prices:
5 door Hatchback
Mondeo Zetec from €29,395
Mondeo Titanium from €31,750
Mondeo ST-Line from €32,995
Mondeo Vignale from €36,595*
Mondeo Titanium HEV from €35,785
Mondeo Vignale HEV from €40,825*
*Vignale is only available as a 4 door saloon

The Volkswagen Passat prices:
Saloon
Passat Trendline from €28,195
Passat Comfortline from €30,295
Passat Highline from €32,750
Passat GTE from €50,450

Estate
Passat Trendline from €30,295
Passat Comfortline from €32,395
Passat Highline from €34,850
Passat GTE from €52,550

The Volkswagen Arteon prices:
Arteon Arteon from €39,650
Arteon Elegance from €42,295
Arteon R-Line from €44,650

The Audi A4 & A5 starting prices:
Audi A4 from €35,930
Audi A4 Avant from €38,330
Audi A5 Sportback from €46,160

GeneHunt

It could be the last car you buy too :eek:

Here's a great acticle

bazz26

Every time a non premium brand car company launches a new large sized model that's expensive they claim to be pitching it more upmarket against the likes of the 3 Series, A4, etc. It rarely works out that way and just seems to be the default jargon from the marketing department's handbook.

GeneHunt

Interesting article here, Peugeot are planning a 350+ HP Hybrid in the 508.

ShadowHearth

Am I the only one who thinks that this chase of higher class market will bite manufacturers up the arse? So many of them doing this.
Seat separating their Cupra in to separate higher class brand.
Citroen has separate DS line. If you have Citroen franchise, you cant have same showroom for DS. They cant be together.
Peugeot now aiming for higher class too.

These brands always had their market share, because those were in price range of average Joe. A lot bigger market I guess too? This higher class market is smaller and already has big boys who are there for years. I doubt someone who bought Audi for years will go and buy 508, because salesman said its not cheap car anymore.

GeneHunt

And here are the prices posted in an article on ChangingLanes

Active (from €32,400),
Allure (from €34,930),
GT-Line (from €38,170)
GT (from €49,120).

Forecast for launch on Irish roads March 2019 followed later with SW models and Hybrid models are Autumn 2019.

nc6000

GeneHunt wrote: »

And here are the prices posted in an article on ChangingLanes

Active (from €32,400),
Allure (from €34,930),
GT-Line (from €38,170)
GT (from €49,120).

Forecast for launch on Irish roads March 2019 followed later with SW models and Hybrid models are Autumn 2019.

I might go for a new Allure after all.

GeneHunt

Here's Gowan Motors price list for the 2019 Peugeot 508.

Model____ Engine Fuel__ Transmission______ CO2/km Tax Band Road Tax Saloon
Active 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S BVM6 Diesel 6-Speed Manual 101 A3 €190 €33,150
Active 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 98 A2 €180 €35,350
Allure 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S BVM6 Diesel 6-Speed Manual 101 A3 €190 €35,680
Allure 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 98 A2 €180 €37,880
Allure 1.6 THP 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 123 B1 €270 €38,870
Allure 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 118 A4 €200 €39,530
GT - Line 1.6 THP 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 125 B1 €270 €42,110
GT - Line 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S BVM6 Diesel 6-Speed Manual 103 A3 €190 €38,920
GT - Line 1.5 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 101 A3 €190 €41,120
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 120 A4 €200 €42,770
GT 1.6 THP 225bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 131 B2 €280 €50,060
GT 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 124 B1 €270 €49,870

PN14

Any idea when these ae available for delivery in the new year? Anyone have one ordered?

Got a spin in a 1.5 diesel allure model the other evening it was a lovely motor. couple of pictures attached quality isn't great it was getting dark.
Sales man was with someone else when I got back and I was under some time pressure so couldn't wait for him. Must call again next week.