Peugeot 508 2018

GeneHunt

Peugeot has unveiled the new 508 ahead of next months Geneva Motor Show and it will be in Irish showrooms for September 2018 launch.

A little bit of homage to the 504 with front and side profile and also the use of the model number on the nose of the bonnet again. Looks like Peugeot is staying with a 4 door sedan again and not as rumoured 5 door fastback, but the door windows are frame-less :cool:

The Kilkenny People have an article here

I'm guessing the next (PSA) Opel Insignia will be based on this car.

colm_mcm

Press release regurgitation journalism from the Kilkenny People there

goochy

nice but how will it look in more basic spec. - like the Passat is lovely in top line spec. but bland in basic versions.

Zubeneschamali

Germanic coal-hole interior, do not like.

Ubbquittious

No petrol manual version. That's a bit of a bummer

GeneHunt

I stand corrected from my OP, Peugeot have indeed produced this new 508 as a 5 door fastback or sportsback as mentioned in the second of the below videos, which shows the boot opening at 3.55.

This is the first time for Peugeot to produce a fastback in this car segment. Citroen was always the fastback (hatchback) arm of the PSA Group in this car segment and Peugeot was always the saloon arm of the group. But that changed when Citroen launched the C5 in 2008 as a 4 door saloon. With Opel in the PSA Group now, this new 508 will be used to create the next Opel Insignia for probably around 2021. I think Citroen will not replace the C5 and they will concentrate on their SUV's like Renault / Nissan are doing. I know that PSA Group say they plan to have Peugeot as a more up market brand, but that doesn't make sense as they have also launched the DS brand from Citroen to do just that.

This car segment (Large Family Car "D") has changed a lot over the last 10 to 15 years. Nissan, Renault and Citroen have dropped the Primera Laguna and C5 from there ranges in this segment, Ford and Opel have both dropped the 4 door saloon variants from the Mondeo and Insignia ranges. Audi launched a fastback the A5 and even BMW with the 4 series. Volkswagen even got in on the act and launched the Arteon and now Peugeot is going there too. There is even rumours Ford will drop the Mondeo in the future as the Mondeo sales transfer to the Kuga and the Edge.

I can understand why the shift to a fastback platform as I would have been a fan of the 4 door Peugeot's of this size, but I had a Opel Vectra a few years ago, which changed my view on the fastback vs saloon option and wouldn't consider a saloon again, I did view a 2015 Peugeot 508 late last year and it confirmed it for me that a fastback is so much more versatile.

whizbang

I wouldn't normally read a 5 door hatchback as a fastback. The fastback can also be a liftback, or even a saloon.
We have had hatchbacks for a wee while..

TheDriver

I was more drawn to the rifter which is a teepee with a 3008 dash and fancy paintwork.

boombang

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges, but the 505 was a handsome car, but that looks bland to me. I think they could have made a stronger appeal to the older car while still making it look modern.

whizbang

If I look at Pic 4 (the side view), its just the same as every other yoke in the segment. Peugeot always have had nice detailing, but the bigger picture is just a few years too late.
Already CHR type styling is here, next level design is probably on the boards right now.

And its a pug. Never.

GeneHunt

boombang wrote: »

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges, but the 505 was a handsome car, but that looks bland to me. I think they could have made a stronger appeal to the older car while still making it look modern.

I too liked the 505 when I was growing we (my family) had a few of them, a very solid car. We started off with a 504 Break (estate), then we had a 504 before moving onto the 505's. I think this new 508 is really paying homage to the 504 and I like it so far. The more I look at this 508 the more design details I see that echo the 504 ie the pull handles on the inside of the doors are sooo like the pull handles from the 504 or 505 (Just with electric window switches now😎). There's a part of me wishes they had located electric window switches in the centre console like the 505 or the more recent DS5

PN14

IMO that's certainly an improvement on the current model looks.

Any idea on pricing of new model will it come in at the same level as the existing range or will they look to push it up a level

GeneHunt

Peugeot have unveiled the Peugeot 508 SW

Looking good.

GeneHunt

The Peugeot 508 "fastback" (saloon) car is expected for launch here in Sept/Oct 2018. I'm thinking it could be launched at the National Ploughing Championships.

Currently the UK specs are Active, Allure, GT Line & GT with 1.5L BlueHDi (130 hp) & 2.0L BlueHDi (180 hp) diesel engines, 1.6L (180hp) Petrol engines and later a 1.6L (180hp) Petrol Plug-in Hybrid with a 80kW motor, no mention of other petrol engines yet, so we here in the Republic will probably see a similar line-up. They are saying the 8 speed automatic transmission is standard on all engines, with an option of a manual transmission on the 1.5 BlueHDi (130 hp).

GeneHunt

Here's how the Peugeot 508 Active will probably look.

GeneHunt

Here's how the Peugeot 508 Allure will probably look.

GeneHunt

Here's how the Peugeot 508 GT Line will probably look

GeneHunt

Here's how the Peugeot 508 GT will look

GeneHunt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

The estate version looks quite tasty

You mean this beauty, not bad in green too!

GeneHunt

Here's an article I found.

New Peugeot 508 To Spawn As PHEV In 2019
23 Feb 2018 by MARK KANE

Peugeot is going to the Geneva Motor Show with its all-new 508 large family car. It has much more emotional appeal than its predecessor.

Sales will begin this summer, but the most important news for us is that by the end of 2019 a plug-in hybrid version is expected on the market.

The PHEV from Peugeot will be based on the new EMP2 platform that should offer up to around 50 km (31 miles) of all-electric range. Batteries are to be placed under the rear seats to not, so as to not shrink trunk capacity.

Two versions, 2WD and 4WD, are under development, according to media reports.

GeneHunt

Here's another article I found!

Peugeot 508 PHEV Won’t Lose Interior Space To Batteries
13 Jun 2018 by MARK KANE

Peugeot brags that the upcoming plug-in hybrid version of the new 508 model will have the same boot space and/or cabin room as the conventional version.
It’s rare to see PHEV versions that don’t sacrifice storage space, as the batteries are bulky. In the case of Peugeot, the secret lies in the EMP2 platform, which from the start was developed to handle electrified powertrains.

Pierre Paul Mattei, who lead the design of 508, said:

“Our team of designers spent a year and a half, which is longer than usual, with engineers to access the best technology and knowledge for this car’s platform. We have been able to break the conventions for design proportions while keeping those performances [such as boot space] unaffected in the architecture.”
The only thing that didn’t fit was a spare wheel/tire.

The battery probably will be around or above 10 kWh, as the WLTP rating for all-electric range is to be 50 km (31 miles), 24% more than the BMW 330e.

Sales of the Peugeot 508 PHEV are expected to begin in the second half of 2019.

zilog_jones

Good to see they've given up on that diesel hybrid nonsense - it's a 1.6 petrol engine in this one.

GeneHunt

zilog_jones wrote: »

Good to see they've given up on that diesel hybrid nonsense - it's a 1.6 petrol engine in this one.

Can I ask why do you say the Diesel Hybrid was nonsense?

zilog_jones

Diesels just aren't well suited to hybrid passenger cars - they take longer to warm up to normal (efficient) operating temperature, and they weigh a lot more than a petrol drivetrain (not good in a hybrid where you want to save on weight as much as possible). Can you start and stop a diesel as smoothly as a dual-VVT Atkinson cycle petrol engine? I don't think so!

One of the big benefits to me moving to a petrol hybrid was not having to deal with all the hassle of modern diesels, e.g. DPF, EGR valves getting clogged/breaking, AdBlue, etc.

I miss my 406 in a few ways compared to my Prius (I do not miss the rattly underpowered diesel or manual gearbox, lol), and would certainly be interested if they can make a 508 PHEV that works well and isn't a complete lemon.

Cosmo K

GeneHunt wrote: »

Can I ask why do you say the Diesel Hybrid was nonsense?

Because it was a very complicated setup, expensive to manufacture, and as a result, very few people bought one. At least that's my take on it.

The estate version looks fantastic! They came out with some really good looking cars recently, thank god the shark mouth era is over!

vectra

I love the interior.
Estate is stunning but I would have no personal use for one.
Might have a look when they come along.

GeneHunt

GeneHunt wrote: »

The Peugeot 508 "fastback" (saloon) car is expected for launch here in Sept/Oct 2018. I'm thinking it could be launched at the National Ploughing Championships.

As I predicted back early June the new 2019 Peugeot 508 will be unveiled at the this years Ploughing.

Gowan Distributors Limited, PEUGEOT Importers in Ireland, will unveil a trio of new models at the National Ploughing Championships, 18th to 20th September at Screggan, Tullamore, Co. Offaly. With over 300,000 visitors expected at the show, the radical new PEUGEOT 508, rugged Rifter MPV and the eagerly-awaited new Partner van will each make their Irish debut on the PEUGEOT stand, ahead of their official launches in early 2019.

Initial units of the new 508 will arrive in Dealerships in late 2018, with an official launch anticipated in early 2019.

vectra

The GT one looks nice.

vectra

After looking at a few videos, I think a GT petrol will definitely be on my list of possibilities next year.
Interior looks really nice as well.

PN14

Any idea when these will be in garages to view? Will they be available in early 2019 any idea of lead times for delivery. What have the lead times on the 3008 & 5008 been? Due a change in January and this is on the radar.

I do like the look of them but would need to see how the smaller steering wheel and viewing over it feels. This would be a big think if clocking up decent mileage per year and wasn't comfortable for an individual. Hate to be stuck with something for 3 years that you couldn't get comfortable in.


Whats the peugoet 1.6 diesel 130 hp like for power delivery on other models from peoples experience. Currently in a mazda 6 diesel and like the grunt available in that engine

vectra

PN14 wrote: »

Any idea when these will be in garages to view? Will they be available in early 2019 any idea of lead times for delivery. What have the lead times on the 3008 & 5008 been? Due a change in January and this is on the radar.

I do like the look of them but would need to see how the smaller steering wheel and viewing over it feels. This would be a big think if clocking up decent mileage per year and wasn't comfortable for an individual. Hate to be stuck with something for 3 years that you couldn't get comfortable in.


Whats the peugoet 1.6 diesel 130 hp like for power delivery on other models from peoples experience. Currently in a mazda 6 diesel and like the grunt available in that engine

Looking like November for pricing to be released and December/January before they will be in showrooms.

On the engine side I think it is 1.5 diesel ( not 1.6 ??)
Reviews seem good but if you are comparing it to a Mazda 2.2 ??
I think you would feel the lack of grunt TBH.

zilog_jones

This has a new 1.5 diesel, I assume it's a different engine completely though can't find much info about it.

The old PSA DV6 1.6 engine I wouldn't touch with a barge pole - there's a certain thread here about a C5 with one of these that is a good example of their reputation...

GeneHunt

vectra wrote: »

Looking like November for pricing to be released and December/January before they will be in showrooms.

On the engine side I think it is 1.5 diesel ( not 1.6 ??)
Reviews seem good but if you are comparing it to a Mazda 2.2 ??
I think you would feel the lack of grunt TBH.

I would agree with vectra about the comparing Mazda 2.2 to the Peugeot 1.5 HDi, you may need to look at the 2.0 HDi.

I was speaking to some of the guys from Gowan on the Peugeot stand at the Ploughing last week, they are thinking January release date, but they plan to have a few cars here in November and December for viewing going around the dealers, so get into your local dealer to see when they expect to have one.

Approx starting prices for the Peugeot 508 Active is €35,000, with the Peugeot 508 Allure at €37,000, Peugeot 508 GT line at €39,000 and the Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

PN14

Cheers lads. Thanks for feedback
I was thinking the drop back from the 2.2 in the mazda will be something I'd find hard to live with. 2.0ltr is prob the way to go but might push the car beyond the budget. Will drop into the local dealer over the next while to see.

kerten

zilog_jones wrote: »

This has a new 1.5 diesel, I assume it's a different engine completely though can't find much info about it.

The old PSA DV6 1.6 engine I wouldn't touch with a barge pole - there's a certain thread here about a C5 with one of these that is a good example of their reputation...

As far as I know that engine issues you are referring are for limited to pre-2012 1.6 hdi engines.

vectra

GeneHunt wrote: »

I would agree with vectra about the comparing Mazda 2.2 to the Peugeot 1.5 HDi, you may need to look at the 2.0 HDi.

I was speaking to some of the guys from Gowan on the Peugeot stand at the Ploughing last week, they are thinking January release date, but they plan to have a few cars here in November and December for viewing going around the dealers, so get into your local dealer to see when they expect to have one.

Approx Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

:cool::cool:
That makes it sound more tempting.
I wonder what spec will it have and what would need to be added ?

GeneHunt

Approx Peugeot 508 GT at €41,000

vectra wrote: »

:cool::cool:
That makes it sound more tempting.
I wonder what spec will it have and what would need to be added ?

Sorry Vectra but I think the guys from Gowan are a little light on some of there "approx" prices that they said to me as they want to sell cars, so I wouldn't be too hard on them for that. I've looked at the out going car price list and I've put my own approx prices on the new Peugeot 508 (see lower table).

Below is the out going Peugeot 508 car price list* (2015 - 2018 Facelift model)
(Prices taken from www.Peugeot.ie on 29th Nov 2017, current price list is limited to only the Active 1.6 HDi car, as the car is now getting phased out)

Model Engine Fuel Saloon SW
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €28,435 €29,975
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €30,135 N/A
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €29,000 €30,540
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €30,700 €32,240
Active 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €30,595 €32,135
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €30,535 €32,075
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €33,445 N/A
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,310 €33,460
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €34,010 €35,550
Allure 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €33,905 €35,445
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,385 N/A
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,950 N/A
GT - Line 1.6 BlueHDi 120bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €34,650 N/A
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 150bhp S&S Diesel 6-Speed Manual €34,545 N/A
GT 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic €41,560 €43,460
RXH 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT6 Diesel 6-Speed Automatic N/A €42,080


Here's my guesstimate on the 2019 Peugeot 508 price list.
It's a total wild guess on the Hybrid4 models, but I would expect about €2,500 extra on the petrol models.

Model Engine Fuel Transmission Saloon SW
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S BVM6 Diesel 6-Speed Manual €32,700 €34,300
Active 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €34,800 €36,400
Active 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €35,100 €36,700
Active 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €37,600 €39,500
Allure 1.6 BlueHDi 130bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €37,000 €38,600
Allure 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €37,900 €39,500
Allure 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €40,400 €42,300
Allure 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €39,100 €40,700
GT - Line 1.6 PureTech 180bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €40,200 €41,900
GT - Line 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €42,700 €44,600
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 160bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €41,500 €43,200
GT - Line 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €43,500 €45,200
GT 1.6 PureTech 225bhp S&S EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €46,100 €48,000
GT 1.6 PureTech Hybrid4 EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic €48,600 €50,500
GT 2.0 BlueHDi 180bhp S&S EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic €47,900 €49,800

bazz26

Detailed review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ifiu8ZGu_w

ForestFire

https://www.peugeot.ie/range/find-your-vehicle/new-peugeot-508.html

Hurry up and get them now before they are all gone..... ;-)

Stallingrad

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

Zubeneschamali

Stallingrad wrote: »

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

We all know this will sell very poorly - when was the last time Peugeot, Citroen or Renault had a real seller in this class?

zilog_jones

The 406 sold pretty well and had a decent reputation - but that was also back when things like the Mondeo, Vectra, Carina E/Avensis, etc. were also big sellers. That segment is pretty much dead now, it's going to be a hard sell either way.

GeneHunt

Stallingrad wrote: »

Those prices seem very ambitious, you're nudging 5 series territory.

I just compared the prices for the Peugeot 508 in France

Peugeot 508 Active from €32,200
Peugeot 508 Active SW from €33,600
Peugeot 508 Allure from €35,100
Peugeot 508 Allure SW from €38,200
Peugeot 508 GTLine from €40,000
Peugeot 508 GTLine SW from €41,300
Peugeot 508 GT from €46,000
Peugeot 508 GT SW from €47,300

I still think I'm pretty close on the prices, even the Irish BMW 5 Series is a little higher priced here see below

Irish BMW 5 Series from €48,750.00

French BMW 5 Series from €46,350.00

nc6000

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

GeneHunt

nc6000 wrote: »

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

I'd doubt the 508 Allure will be as high as 40k (unless your planning on looking at the options list ), but I expect it it will be around 36k to 37k.

vectra

I wouldnt be spending 46 grand on a GT either :eek:

The Royal Scam

nc6000 wrote: »

So the new model in allure spec could be 40k, that's quite an increase. It looks like a lovely car but that's an almost 10k more than my current 508 allure cost.

I am on my 3rd 508sw company car. I normally do 80k a year and love them. My current allowance is 29.7k list , I cannot see my company keeping them on the list with these increases

Johnfred

At those prices they won't be selling many. A Passat would be cheaper!

For Forks Sake

Johnfred wrote: »

At those prices they won't be selling many. A Passat would be cheaper!

Are they trying to pitch it againnst the Passat or the Aerteon ? Gorgeous car, but they won't be shifting many of them.

nc6000

You could get a decent spec Mercedes CLA for similar money.

bazz26

The CLA is way smaller than the 508 and aimed at a different market. The VW Aerteon would probably be the closest competition to the new 508 and the Aerteon ain't selling much here either due to its high price and limited model range.

I cannot see many spending 40k on a new 508 to be honest and those that do will be hit with heavy depreciation meaning any sold could be good value second hand. Unfortunately I think the new 508 will be a rare sight on these shores.