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Cobra Kai - The Karate Kid - Youtube TV Original (**Spoilers**)
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PhiloCypher wrote: »Sic burn bro. Nah I'm loving this so far mate. I judge a show on how entertaining it is, not it's politics. Cobra Kai is first of all entertaining. I loved the nod to Karate kid with Johnny pulling a Miyagi and making his student do all the chores " is there any particular way you want me to shine this" (window), "nah". What it also is tho, shock horror, is an 'issues' show . That 'issue' just happens to be about wounded male pride, about peaking in high school, feeling like the world has left you behind and that it owes you something. (Johnny is basically an avatar for Trump voters).
Anyone else feel like the episodes are longer then they actually are. Most half hour shows are comedy's or dramady's, and feel short. If you'd told me these were the network standard 41-45 mins I wouldn't bat an eyelid. They've paced them beautifully.
Trump has not been mentioned once the whole series so i dont know how Johnny is an avatar for Trump voters?
The only hint at politics was that idiot grabbing the mic off the MC in the tenth episode, who took over and insisted the crowd join him in a minutes silence while lecturing the crowd with meaningless platitudes about 'hate crime'
Actually what i admire about this show is the complete role reversal of characters and doesnt bend the knee to the senseless PC bulls*it of our current times.
Miguel was essentially 2018 Daniel while Kyler (A Japanese American) was effectively 2018 Johnny.
Johnny's issues stemmed from his defection of the Cobra Kai due to being nearly strangled by his psycho sensei at the beginning of the 2nd movie. The same sensei who was the only role model in his life because his step dad is an utter bellend. The central theme of the series explores the importance of the people around you and how they can shape your world for the better or good. Johnny drew the shortest of straws in this regard. Yes, his mother married a wealthy business man but he was no good for her son and was a complete asshole, so the only safe haven he had was the Cobra Kai dojo who preyed on his insecurities and indoctrinated within him and others, a huge sense of aggression against the world.
A whole episode dedicated to young 1979 Johnny in season 2 would be fantastic, if anything for the nostalgia trip. They are drip feeding the characters background bit by bit so i imagine we'll see more as we go along. Brilliant character. Carrying the series to an extent i feel. Without him, there is no story.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »PhiloCypher wrote: »Sic burn bro. Nah I'm loving this so far mate. I judge a show on how entertaining it is, not it's politics. Cobra Kai is first of all entertaining. I loved the nod to Karate kid with Johnny pulling a Miyagi and making his student do all the chores " is there any particular way you want me to shine this" (window), "nah". What it also is tho, shock horror, is an 'issues' show . That 'issue' just happens to be about wounded male pride, about peaking in high school, feeling like the world has left you behind and that it owes you something. (Johnny is basically an avatar for Trump voters).
Anyone else feel like the episodes are longer then they actually are. Most half hour shows are comedy's or dramady's, and feel short. If you'd told me these were the network standard 41-45 mins I wouldn't bat an eyelid. They've paced them beautifully.
Trump has not been mentioned once the whole series so i dont know how Johnny is an avatar for Trump voters?The only hint at politics was that idiot grabbing the mic off the MC in the tenth episode, who took over and insisted the crowd join him in a minutes silence while lecturing the crowd with meaningless platitudes about 'hate crime'
Actually what i admire about this show is the complete role reversal of characters and doesnt bend the knee to the senseless PC bulls*it of our current times.
Miguel was essentially 2018 Daniel while Kyler (A Japanese American) was effectively 2018 Johnny.
Johnny's issues stemmed from his defection of the Cobra Kai due to being nearly strangled by his psycho sensei at the beginning of the 2nd movie. The same sensei who was the only role model in his life because his step dad is an utter bellend. The central theme of the series explores the importance of the people around you and how they can shape your world for the better or good. Johnny drew the shortest of straws in this regard. Yes, his mother married a wealthy business man but he was no good for her son and was a complete asshole, so the only safe haven he had was the Cobra Kai dojo who preyed on his insecurities and indoctrinated within him and others, a huge sense of aggression against the world.
A whole episode dedicated to young 1979 Johnny in season 2 would be fantastic, if anything for the nostalgia trip. They are drip feeding the characters background bit by bit so i imagine we'll see more as we go along. Brilliant character. Carrying the series to an extent i feel. Without him, there is no story.
Never said Trump or politics had been explicitly mentioned mate, but its all there in the subtext, I'm surprised given your talk of themes and such that you didnt pick up on it .
Whatever the genesis of Johnny's issues, and you've described them quite accurately, the fact is he fits the mould of your typical Trump supporter. Old school, politically incorrect , feels forgotten by society and angry at the world.
It's a great character study and a story that needs telling , but don't kid yourself that this isn't an 'issue' show just because it has an politically incorrect protagonist. Its just shining a light on a different sector of society and trying to explore why Johnny is the way he is. How he was moulded by his environment.
Everything else you've written is spot on. Looking foward to the character being explored more in a second season.0 -
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PhiloCypher wrote: »Never said Trump or politics had been explicitly mentioned mate, but its all there in the subtext, I'm surprised given your talk of themes and such that you didnt pick up on it .
Whatever the genesis of Johnny's issues, and you've described them quite accurately, the fact is he fits the mould of your typical Trump supporter. Old school, politically incorrect , feels forgotten by society and angry at the world.
It's a great character study and a story that needs telling , but don't kid yourself that this isn't an 'issue' show just because it has an politically incorrect protagonist. Its just shining a light on a different sector of society and trying to explore why Johnny is the way he is. How he was moulded by his environment.
Everything else you've written is spot on. Looking foward to the character being explored more in a second season.
unless "subtext" means its in your head , I don't see it
. If you want a cultural commentary its about 2 kids who didn't have a father figure, one comes under the influence of a wise old Japanese man and the other someone who was an asshole. Episode 7 or 8 draws out this part of their background, it's also an issue with some of the kids this time round too. A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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silverharp wrote: »PhiloCypher wrote: »Never said Trump or politics had been explicitly mentioned mate, but its all there in the subtext, I'm surprised given your talk of themes and such that you didnt pick up on it .
Whatever the genesis of Johnny's issues, and you've described them quite accurately, the fact is he fits the mould of your typical Trump supporter. Old school, politically incorrect , feels forgotten by society and angry at the world.
It's a great character study and a story that needs telling , but don't kid yourself that this isn't an 'issue' show just because it has an politically incorrect protagonist. Its just shining a light on a different sector of society and trying to explore why Johnny is the way he is. How he was moulded by his environment.
Everything else you've written is spot on. Looking foward to the character being explored more in a second season.
unless "subtext" means its in your head , I don't see it. If you want a cultural commentary its about 2 kids who didn't have a father figure, one comes under the influence of a wise old Japanese man and the other someone who was an asshole. Episode 7 or 8 draws out this part of their background, it's also an issue with some of the kids this time round too.
Haha maybe it is , but then maybe some of the perceived PC'ness you see hiding in every shadow is also in your head too. I think we all see (or don't see) what we want to, based on our own particular biases
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