Up the rebels?

cycle4fun

Mary Lou yesterday ended her speech with "Up the Rebels. Tiocfaidh ár lá”

Imagine if Arlene Foster made a speech saying "Up the UVF. No surrender". What woulds others say about that?

Should not Sinn Fein be trying to use language which shows a little bit of respect to others in N. Ireland, and trying to get Stormont going again. Hard to patch up differences with a party by praising the rebels and using their slogan, when the same rebels attacked a school bus Foster was on as a child, shot and tried to kill her father on different occasion, killed 11 people at a service in Fosters home county town (Enniskillen) etc?

Poochie05

Were Cork playing yesterday?

Galwayguy35

Who cares what Forster or the bowler hat brigade think, I'm no fan of Mary Lou or SF but it's just gone stupid these days where everyone is nearly afraid to say anything in case someone gets offended.

biko

Source

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-assumes-sinn-fin-leadership-insisting-the-war-is-long-over-36589125.html

However, Ms McDonald also closed her speech with unscripted militant Republican language, exclaiming "up the rebels and "tiocfaidh l

JMNolan

I don't see the problem with offending people anyway. Since when were we forbidden to offend people?

Solomon Pleasant

Sinn Fein as a political party are a joke.

OldMrBrennan83

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the sheriff is HERE

By your comments it was all one sided? FF/FG were born from republism?

Go Mary, UP THE REBELS.

ToddyDoody

It would be a great laugh though if Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill swopped speaches.

Larry SR

She was speaking to a republican audience. I think people are being too sensitive here.

Klinkhammer

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Sinn Fein as a political party are a joke.

They fit in well with the rest of the clowns so.

Odhinn

ToddyDoody wrote: »

It would be a great laugh though if Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill swopped speaches.

I suspect Ms Fosters is written in Enochian.

buried

Somebody left the immersion tank on all day and night yesterday in my house. It definitely wasn't me, so going by AH logic, it must have been the Shinners.

ToddyDoody

Odhinn wrote: »

I suspect Ms Fosters is written in Enochian.

She's a normal human like the rest of us?

I'm beginning to sound like the Alliance Party.

Odhinn

ToddyDoody wrote: »

She's a normal human like the rest of us?

Ahh go on.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I'm beginning to sound like the Alliance Party.

Not mixed area posh enough, but getting there.

Odhinn

buried wrote: »

Somebody left the immersion tank on all day and night yesterday in my house. It definitely wasn't me, so going by AH logic, it must have been the Shinners.

Yep. They're like the muslims, only slightly less beardy.

Hurrache

cycle4fun wrote: »

Mary Lou yesterday ended her speech with "Up the Rebels. Tiocfaidh ár lá”

She played up to her audience on the day, particularly the old guard. But in doing so she had the public who may have thought about giving them a vote once Adams was gone certainly rethinking that after those comments. A political miscalculation.

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

I'd be very critical of the way Sinn Fein conducts themselves but I'd certainly say that their policies are no worse than the ones currently in place that only the elite and corporations have benefited from. The two "enemies" have pretty much failed us since the foundation of the state

cycle4fun

Hurrache wrote: »

She played up to her audience on the day, particularly the old guard. But in doing so she had the public who may have thought about giving them a vote once Adams was gone certainly rethinking that after those comments. A political miscalculation.

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see.

Hurrache

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

Why does DOB get blamed for this when all the media, not just those in his fold, simply reported the words that she actually spoke?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

I'd be very critical of the way Sinn Fein conducts themselves but I'd certainly say that their policies are no worse than the ones currently in place that only the elite and corporations have benefited from. The two "enemies" have pretty much failed us since the foundation of the state

'Rebels' meant the IRA and those in SF who rebelled against the British.

Why would anyone in a party that has transparently showed it's history NOT say that is the question?

SF aren't hiding their past for the likes of Cycle4fun and personally I think that is healthy and honest tbf.

cycle4fun

cycle4fun wrote: »

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see .

Nice try Leo :rolleyes:

Poor Uncle Tom

I'm surprised there were any reporters at this event anyway, must have been a slow day news wise.

No such thing as bad publicity,

Phoebas

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place ...

Don't be playing games.
We all know what "Up the rebels" means in this context.

cycle4fun

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Rebels' meant the IRA and those in SF who rebelled against the British.

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Odhinn

cycle4fun wrote: »

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Why are you obsessed with SF?

the sheriff is HERE

cycle4fun wrote: »

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ”.

This was held in Dublin right?

You support the peace process apparently?

No one here has used past troubles to point score against you.

FrancieBrady

cycle4fun wrote: »

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Taunting someone from the opposite side with a slogan or abuse is sectarian.

Saying it at a gathering of your party isn't. Switch the telly off if thou is offended. And she probably isn't looking for your vote.

Yamanoto

Sinn Fein / IRA baggage aside, I don't think Mary Lou has that likeability factor that's necessary for them to push on. A lot like how Hilary's shrill tone put so many folks off, there's a preachy, sneery & moany style about Mary Lou's delivery, that I don't think will play well on the airwaves.

Time will tell I suppose.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And she probably isn't looking for your vote.

This is the salient point though. If SF are to progress then she should be looking for his vote and many more like him. She has to appeal to a wider audience.

cycle4fun

cycle4fun wrote: »

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see.

Of course what you forgot to mention was that it was probably a Protestant/unionist/loyalist that used the phrase against that person, so its not an example of the sectarianism (from the republican side) that no doubt you were misleadingly trying to imply.

Poor Uncle Tom

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I'm surprised there were any reporters at this event anyway, must have been a slow day news wise.

No such thing as bad publicity,

With an election almost happening before Christmas and a few privileged incompetent fúcks being almost done out of ministerial pensions, Liar Verucca, his cronies and his 5m a year spin department are getting very very worried all of a sudden.

He may get his fellow libtard Trudeau over to try one last ditch attempt at some cringeworthy pr that only someone with the mental capacity of a pigeon will positively respond to

FrancieBrady

Eli Loose Thunderstorm wrote: »

This is the salient point though. If SF are to progress then she should be looking for his vote and many more like him. She has to appeal to a wider audience.

All any party has to do, is be honest. Then the voter knows exactly who thay are voting for.

This preachy, 'they have to become something that I dictate' nonsense is what needs to stop.

If SF where interested in power for the sake of it, or like it was 'winning' some stupid competition, then I would agree with you. They clearly have no interest in that.

Poor Uncle Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

With an election almost happening before Christmas and a few privileged incompetent fúcks being almost done out of ministerial pensions, Liar Verucca, his cronies and his 5m a year spin department are getting very very worried all of a sudden.

He may get his fellow libtard Trudeau over to try one last ditch attempt at some cringeworthy pr that only someone with the mental capacity of a pigeon will positively respond to

You really think she is viable opposition? even to Fine Fail and Fine Fail lite?

Poor Uncle Tom

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

You really think she is viable opposition? even to Fine Fail and Fine Fail lite?

They can take a good few seats certainly but they need to get their shít in order too tbh. No one thought brexit or Trump would happen but the world is changing. People are sick of libtards and bullshítters and want straight talkers. They wouldn't get a majority but they could certainly get 30-40 seats

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Deleted User wrote: »

With an election almost happening before Christmas and a few privileged incompetent fúcks being almost done out of ministerial pensions, Liar Verucca, his cronies and his 5m a year spin department are getting very very worried all of a sudden.

He may get his fellow libtard Trudeau over to try one last ditch attempt at some cringeworthy pr that only someone with the mental capacity of a pigeon will positively respond to

Have you seen any opinion polls in recent month?????

Odhinn

Eli Loose Thunderstorm wrote: »

Have you seen any opinion poles in recent month?????

None. Have they flown east for the winter?

Atoms for Peace

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Sinn Fein as a political party are a joke.

No more a joke than any of the others apart from the monster raving loony party.

Poor Uncle Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

People are sick of libtards and bullshítters and want straight talkers.

I wholeheartedly agree but the smoke and daggers of SF is outstanding bullsh*t on it's own.

Eli Loose Thunderstorm

Eli Loose Thunderstorm wrote: »

Have you seen any opinion poles in recent month?????

Opinionated Polish people??

Seriously I take no notice of those. Do you honestly pay heed to media rigged nonsense?

McMurphy

cycle4fun managed to get almost every nationalist/republican related thread shutdown with their one sided twisted bitterness - so kudos for being a bit proactive and actually startingone of their own.

Thread needs some vibes.

Set your faux outrage meter to 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agDi-gVpvtw

Atoms for Peace

People are quick to forget that SF brought a lot of hard-line Republicans into the mainstream who might have otherwise joined with the more loony right wing elements, what harm in ML throwing out the odd soundbite to keep them happy.

Poor Uncle Tom

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I wholeheartedly agree but the smoke and daggers of SF is outstanding bullsh*t on it's own.

Are they spending 5m a year on a pr department whose best idea was to present novelty socks to fellow bullshítters?

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Rebels' meant the IRA and those in SF who rebelled against the British.

Why would anyone in a party that has transparently showed it's history NOT say that is the question?

SF aren't hiding their past for the likes of Cycle4fun and personally I think that is healthy and honest tbf.

Some parties would prefer their history never to be discussed

From yesterday's indo.

Mr O’Brien’s post at 10.05pm drew ire from some Fine Gael politicians who questioned the appropriateness and timing of the tweet. The Fianna Fail TD subsequently removed the post.

Poor Uncle Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

Are they spending 5m a year on a pr department whose best idea was to present novelty socks to fellow bullshítters?

You don't become the best kid in class by saying 'I'm not as bad as the class fool'!

Poor Uncle Tom

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

You don't become the best kid in class by saying 'I'm not as bad as the class fool'!

Good advice. Perhaps pass it on to Leo who is desperately clinging to Power

JohnnyFlash

My brother is a member of SF down in Wexford. Even he’d tell you there’s an element in the party that are as rough as a bears arse. I buy my baccy off a lad in Dublin he lined me up with through knowing him in the party, and this lad is as tough as Ruby Walsh’s bollix. And his brother is a SF TD!!!!

McMurphy

cycle4fun wrote: »

...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

I'll just leave this here so.



I'm already prepared for the new tangent.

I'll look at it when I get back in.

Poor Uncle Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

Good advice. Perhaps pass it on to Leo who is desperately clinging to Power

I think it suits them all, tbh. The bickering, shouting and hillbilly bawling displays from the week just gone were nothing short of disgraceful.

cycle4fun

Well you are the master of tangents and whataboutery Johnny.

At least others have clarified to you who the rebels she was referring to were.

Odhinn

cycle4fun wrote: »

Well you are the master of tangents and whataboutery Johnny.

At least others have clarified to you who the rebels she was referring to were.

Yeah. Why are you obsessed with SF though?