Up the rebels?

cycle4fun

Mary Lou yesterday ended her speech with "Up the Rebels. Tiocfaidh ár lá”

Imagine if Arlene Foster made a speech saying "Up the UVF. No surrender". What woulds others say about that?

Should not Sinn Fein be trying to use language which shows a little bit of respect to others in N. Ireland, and trying to get Stormont going again. Hard to patch up differences with a party by praising the rebels and using their slogan, when the same rebels attacked a school bus Foster was on as a child, shot and tried to kill her father on different occasion, killed 11 people at a service in Fosters home county town (Enniskillen) etc?

Poochie05

Were Cork playing yesterday?

Galwayguy35

Who cares what Forster or the bowler hat brigade think, I'm no fan of Mary Lou or SF but it's just gone stupid these days where everyone is nearly afraid to say anything in case someone gets offended.

biko

Source

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-assumes-sinn-fin-leadership-insisting-the-war-is-long-over-36589125.html

However, Ms McDonald also closed her speech with unscripted militant Republican language, exclaiming "up the rebels and "tiocfaidh l

JMNolan

I don't see the problem with offending people anyway. Since when were we forbidden to offend people?

Solomon Pleasant

Sinn Fein as a political party are a joke.

OldMrBrennan83

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the sheriff is HERE

By your comments it was all one sided? FF/FG were born from republism?

Go Mary, UP THE REBELS.

ToddyDoody

It would be a great laugh though if Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill swopped speaches.

Larry SR

She was speaking to a republican audience. I think people are being too sensitive here.

Klinkhammer

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Sinn Fein as a political party are a joke.

They fit in well with the rest of the clowns so.

Odhinn

ToddyDoody wrote: »

It would be a great laugh though if Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill swopped speaches.

I suspect Ms Fosters is written in Enochian.

buried

Somebody left the immersion tank on all day and night yesterday in my house. It definitely wasn't me, so going by AH logic, it must have been the Shinners.

ToddyDoody

Odhinn wrote: »

I suspect Ms Fosters is written in Enochian.

She's a normal human like the rest of us?

I'm beginning to sound like the Alliance Party.

Odhinn

ToddyDoody wrote: »

She's a normal human like the rest of us?

Ahh go on.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I'm beginning to sound like the Alliance Party.

Not mixed area posh enough, but getting there.

Odhinn

buried wrote: »

Somebody left the immersion tank on all day and night yesterday in my house. It definitely wasn't me, so going by AH logic, it must have been the Shinners.

Yep. They're like the muslims, only slightly less beardy.

Hurrache

cycle4fun wrote: »

Mary Lou yesterday ended her speech with "Up the Rebels. Tiocfaidh ár lá”

She played up to her audience on the day, particularly the old guard. But in doing so she had the public who may have thought about giving them a vote once Adams was gone certainly rethinking that after those comments. A political miscalculation.

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

I'd be very critical of the way Sinn Fein conducts themselves but I'd certainly say that their policies are no worse than the ones currently in place that only the elite and corporations have benefited from. The two "enemies" have pretty much failed us since the foundation of the state

cycle4fun

Hurrache wrote: »

She played up to her audience on the day, particularly the old guard. But in doing so she had the public who may have thought about giving them a vote once Adams was gone certainly rethinking that after those comments. A political miscalculation.

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see.

Hurrache

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

Why does DOB get blamed for this when all the media, not just those in his fold, simply reported the words that she actually spoke?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place but of course the Denis O'Brien led media who have vested interests in the Feeny Foolies and feeny Goolies remaining in power will make it out to be something different. Pathetic.

I'd be very critical of the way Sinn Fein conducts themselves but I'd certainly say that their policies are no worse than the ones currently in place that only the elite and corporations have benefited from. The two "enemies" have pretty much failed us since the foundation of the state

'Rebels' meant the IRA and those in SF who rebelled against the British.

Why would anyone in a party that has transparently showed it's history NOT say that is the question?

SF aren't hiding their past for the likes of Cycle4fun and personally I think that is healthy and honest tbf.

cycle4fun

cycle4fun wrote: »

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see .

Nice try Leo :rolleyes:

Poor Uncle Tom

I'm surprised there were any reporters at this event anyway, must have been a slow day news wise.

No such thing as bad publicity,

Phoebas

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Rebels could mean Rebelling against the political status quo that's currently in place ...

Don't be playing games.
We all know what "Up the rebels" means in this context.

cycle4fun

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Rebels' meant the IRA and those in SF who rebelled against the British.

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Odhinn

cycle4fun wrote: »

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Why are you obsessed with SF?

the sheriff is HERE

cycle4fun wrote: »

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ”.

This was held in Dublin right?

You support the peace process apparently?

No one here has used past troubles to point score against you.

FrancieBrady

cycle4fun wrote: »

Correct, and more than a few in Sinn Fein were also in the IRA.

Up the Rebels and "chucki ar la" ...well according to Collins dictionary, Rebels are
" Rebels are people who are fighting against their own country's army in order to change the political system there.
...fighting between rebels and government forces.
...rebel forces in Liberia."

Why does Mary Lou use the phrase "Tiocfaidh ár lá" though, when the tribunal up north found that use "of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

Taunting someone from the opposite side with a slogan or abuse is sectarian.

Saying it at a gathering of your party isn't. Switch the telly off if thou is offended. And she probably isn't looking for your vote.

Yamanoto

Sinn Fein / IRA baggage aside, I don't think Mary Lou has that likeability factor that's necessary for them to push on. A lot like how Hilary's shrill tone put so many folks off, there's a preachy, sneery & moany style about Mary Lou's delivery, that I don't think will play well on the airwaves.

Time will tell I suppose.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And she probably isn't looking for your vote.

This is the salient point though. If SF are to progress then she should be looking for his vote and many more like him. She has to appeal to a wider audience.

cycle4fun

cycle4fun wrote: »

It was a bit of a miscalculation al right - even up north "Tiocfaidh ár lá” is seen as a sectarian slogan. What is Mary Lou McDonald, the new leader of Siunn Fein, doing using sectarian slogans from the past? A Catholic woman in Belfast was awarded £20,000 after ‘tiocfaidh ár lá’ was said to her. Quote "The tribunal found that she was unfairly dismissed and victimised due to her background, ruling that the use of the phrase had had “a clear sectarian significance”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-awarded-20-000-after-tiocfaidh-%C3%A1r-l%C3%A1-shouted-at-her-1.3268337

I think the mask slipped yesterday a bit when she went off script at the end.
Good for potential voters to see.

Of course what you forgot to mention was that it was probably a Protestant/unionist/loyalist that used the phrase against that person, so its not an example of the sectarianism (from the republican side) that no doubt you were misleadingly trying to imply.