Politician rants on foreign freeloaders

zell12

Businessman and politician rants on immigration, welfare abuse and the abuse of taxpayer funds.
He is “very angry” about “people who laze around and do nothing all day”, and called for a complete overhaul of the country’s taxation and welfare systems.
http://connachttribune.ie/former-mayors-attack-foreign-freeloaders-576/

He referred to a story of a person who was looking to get a bigger house from the City Council recently.
“When the case was examined the following was revealed;
Mr X is living in Galway, is a non-national, never worked in Ireland a day since he arrived nine years ago. He has a wife and his three daughters living with him. Discontented because his wife has not produced a son for him, he takes on a girlfriend/partner to live in the same house, whom he duly gets pregnant, but is very disappointed that it is another daughter!
Now Mr X has six females to look after in the one house, four bedrooms is not sufficient, so he requires a six-bedroom house.
When Mr X was asked why he does not work he replied that “work is hard, social welfare is easy”.
Yet again, who is the fool? When is the hard-pressed taxpayer going to get a break?"

granturismo

zell12 wrote: »

Businessman and politician rants on immigration, welfare abuse and the abuse of taxpayer funds.
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And what is your opinion as the OP

Borderfox

Anytime I had any interactions with the DSP they broke my balls so much that I found a job quicker. He must have thicker skin and a harder neck

zell12

I think he has a valid point. He outlines the fact that we are subsidising people immigrating to Ireland and their life choices. All this whilst:

“We are standing at airport gates weekly waving goodbye to our well-educated youth as they emigrate in the hope of a better life, with a cheque in the other hand welcoming families who are here for a good time with no intention of making a contribution to the State”

s7ryf3925pivug

zell12 wrote: »

Businessman and politician rants on immigration, welfare abuse and the abuse of taxpayer funds.
He is “very angry” about “people who laze around and do nothing all day”, and called for a complete overhaul of the country’s taxation and welfare systems.
http://connachttribune.ie/former-mayors-attack-foreign-freeloaders-576/

Plenty of Irish people doing the same thing. Most non nationals I've observed are hard working.

With EU migrants, the benefits that go with allowing them in definitely outweigh the costs. They should be treated no differently to anyone else.

With people who came in as asylum seekers, if they're granted refugee status then they should be treated no differently to anyone else. If they're awaiting a decision then they should be treated no differently to anyone else either. If their application is rejected then they should be deported and not allowed unlimited appeals and unlimited stay as an asylum seeker. That we put up with obvious chancers does a huge disservice to genuine refugees, who end up getting lumped in with them.

Mutant z

He's completely spot on.

dr.fuzzenstein

Mutant z wrote: »

He's completely spot on.

Yes, all Irish are hardworking and wouldn't dream of being dole scroungers.
Unlike those lazy layabouts like the Poles and other Eastern Europeans :rolleyes:

padd b1975

And yet there'll still be loons trying to claim that absolutely no one is gaming the system.

fergiesfolly

Politicians calling out Freeloaders.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

The_Kew_Tour

If I had my way I get rid of SW and only to people in need.

he is telling the truth about a High Minority.

zell12

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Politicians calling out Freeloaders.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

Ah now in fairness, he's a successful businessman

BattleCorp

I don't give a fcuk if these scroungers are foreign or Irish. They should all be told to 'get tae fcuk'.

jimgoose

Vote Quimby.

SEPT 23 1989

I wouldnt want to live on 188 a week but in saying that as someone who is self employed generating money for the state, its very annoying to see people who have contributed nothing arriving here getting money automatically in the social welfare office but if I went in if things went wrong i would get waterboarded.

TerrorFirmer

Podcast from Galway Bay FM here, it was the first thing on the current affairs show this morning.

https://galwaybayfm.ie/podcast-keith-finnegan-show-wednesday-december-6th-2017-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/

Politicians calling out Freeloaders.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

Notwithstanding that he's a businessman/councillor (think they get about 16k salary + expenses), never got this whole 'politicans do nothing' spiel. Some TDs might be ineffective, but they're not idle nor freeloading....I wouldn't want to swap with any TD no matter how much they were paid, it's a horrible 24/7 grind.

suicide_circus

RIGHT2CASH

redcup342

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Podcast from Galway Bay FM here, it was the first thing on the current affairs show this morning.

https://galwaybayfm.ie/podcast-keith-finnegan-show-wednesday-december-6th-2017-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/



Notwithstanding that he's a businessman/councillor (think they get about 16k salary + expenses), never got this whole 'politicans do nothing' spiel. Some TDs might be ineffective, but they're not idle nor freeloading....I wouldn't want to swap with any TD no matter how much they were paid, it's a horrible 24/7 grind.

He owns a company

Also that company has a big contract with the NTA and looks like his company also has some special deal with Kildare CoCo for supplying Wheelie Bins.

Grayson

Remember Theresa May saying she heard of a guy was was given leave to stay in the UK because he had a cat?

And remember how the story was completely different to reality?

I have a feeling this story is probably even more disconnected.

the_syco

Former mayor of Galway City and well-known businessman Noel Larkin has hit out at Ireland’s PAYE taxation and social welfare system – and its “blatant misuse” by people who do not want to work and non-nationals.

Councillor Larkin – who owns Larkin Engineering in Tuam – issued a 1,500-statement last week in which he lambastes the Government for the “unjust” tax regime for PAYE workers, and the abuse of the system which offers “free money” for those who don’t want to work.

I wonder how many contracts he gave his own company whilst mayor, and now councillor? I'd say he's up to his eyeballs in corruption!

road_high

He's completely spot on. Ireland is beyond a soft touch for these welfare tourists- look at what % of Nigerians for example are on welfare. Why are they even being allowed come here? What value do they add? It's a large African country with zilch to do with us (we never colonized it), but yet they are drawn like magnets to a small nation of the north west coast of Europe.
I really couldn't give 2 fcuks if the snow flakes want to label this as racist or whatever driffle they care to use because it's the truth.

El Weirdo

Mr X is living in Galway, is a non-national, never worked in Ireland a day since he arrived nine years ago. He has a wife and his three daughters living with him. Discontented because his wife has not produced a son for him, he takes on a girlfriend/partner to live in the same house, whom he duly gets pregnant, but is very disappointed that it is another daughter!
Now Mr X has six females to look after in the one house, four bedrooms is not sufficient, so he requires a six-bedroom house.
When Mr X was asked why he does not work he replied that “work is hard, social welfare is easy”.

What a great anecdote.

road_high

Marianna Many Hazel wrote: »

Plenty of Irish people doing the same thing. Most non nationals I've observed are hard working.

With EU migrants, the benefits that go with allowing them in definitely outweigh the costs. They should be treated no differently to anyone else.

With people who came in as asylum seekers, if they're granted refugee status then they should be treated no differently to anyone else. If they're awaiting a decision then they should be treated no differently to anyone else either. If their application is rejected then they should be deported and not allowed unlimited appeals and unlimited stay as an asylum seeker. That we put up with obvious chancers does a huge disservice to genuine refugees, who end up getting lumped in with them.

Wow imagine an Irish person claiming welfare in their own country, Ireland. Not the same thing as foreigners parading in doing the same. Neither are right but no point hiding behind and trying to deflect saying the Irish are doing the same. That's an issue we need to tackle ourselves, not add even more to the pot.

williestroker1

Marianna Many Hazel wrote: »

Plenty of Irish people doing the same thing. .

Ye, thousands of Irish signing on in Lagos.

donegaLroad

Its the people coming from the sh1thole countries are the problem. ;-)

kneemos

Grayson wrote: »

Remember Theresa May saying she heard of a guy was was given leave to stay in the UK because he had a cat?

And remember how the story was completely different to reality?

I have a feeling this story is probably even more disconnected.

Sounds a bit like the pram tale in fairness.

Also does nobody feel sorry for the guy? I mean he's gotta hit the target sooner or later.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

El Weirdo wrote: »

What a great anecdote.

I'm not even sure it's an anecdote - I'd class it as urban myth.

mcmoustache

padd b1975 wrote: »

And yet there'll still be loons trying to claim that absolutely no one is gaming the system.

In fairness it's only a couple of predictable folk on here doing that and they don't really have the best credibility.

suicide_circus

People come to Europe for economic and quality of life reasons, who can blame them? At some point in the future however it stands to reason that in order to protect and maintain the benefits of European society which make it attractive to migrants, we will have to put the brakes on.

Grayson

In the story it says the politician had a 1,500 word rant. I can't actually find it anywhere.

Grayson

donegaLroad wrote: »

Its the people coming from the sh1thole countries counties are the problem. ;-)

Fixed that

mcmoustache

zell12 wrote: »

I think he has a valid point. He outlines the fact that we are subsidising people immigrating to Ireland and their life choices. All this whilst:

We shouldn't be subsidising poor life choices for anyone.

The problem here is that we offer this lifestyle as an option in the first place. Him being a foreigner isn't the real problem although I don't think anyone from abroad should be able to get state money until after two years of full employment. The real problem is a system that allows such behaviour in the first place.

TerrorFirmer

the_syco wrote: »

I wonder how many contracts he gave his own company whilst mayor, and now councillor? I'd say he's up to his eyeballs in corruption!

The Mayor has no say in what contracts are awarded to whom, nor does a Councillor.

There are potential ways in which local politicians could technically be corrupt, but that's not really one of them.

They can have a say in zoning, for one. But that comes down to a chamber vote, so a single councillor doesn't really wield much power at all.

enricoh

The new mayor of Limerick was lambasted recently for saying there would be no housing crisis in Limerick if it wasn't for the amount of social housing given to foreigners.
The magic money tree brigade of aaa n sinn fein went bananas!

Captain Obvious

El Weirdo wrote: »

What a great anecdote.

I'm particularly impressed at Mr X's refreshing honesty. You'd think someone so adept at scamming the system would have a better answer than one that could get him booted off the social.

biko

Everybody chimes in about how bad dole abusers are.
Unless the abuser is foreign, then everybody loses their minds.

El Weirdo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm particularly impressed at Mr X's refreshing honesty. You'd think someone so adept at scamming the system would have a better answer than one that could get him booted off the social.

Exactly. Has Mr Larkin given this man's name to the Dept. Social Protection?

Do we know for sure that the wife and/or mistress aren't working and Mr X is not just a stay-at-home dad?

Vladimir Poontang

suicide_circus wrote: »

People come to Europe for economic and quality of life reasons, who can blame them? At some point in the future however it stands to reason that in order to protect and maintain the benefits of European society which make it attractive to migrants, we will have to put the brakes on.

Never mind the future, should have been done years ago.

Cordell

who can blame them?

They shouldn't be blamed for coming and abusing the system. But the system has to be made unattractive and unabusable.

MilesMorales1

This is like a nearly perfect cocktail of outrage stuff to get after hours readers proper good and outraged. If only that man was a traveller too, it'd be complete.

Franz Von Peppercorn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yes, all Irish are hardworking and wouldn't dream of being dole scroungers.
Unlike those lazy layabouts like the Poles and other Eastern Europeans :rolleyes:

You can always win straw man arguments.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Isn’t it the case for EU migrants that you have to earn stamps before you get the dole?

mcmoustache

biko wrote: »

Everybody chimes in about how bad dole abusers are.
Unless the abuser is foreign, then everybody loses their minds.

Are there really people out there who give out about social housing for dole abusers but have no problem with freeloading foreigners? Like rule 34, I'm sure that there are some oddballs out there that hold such an opinion but I only hear about them from infowars, prison planet and other assorted redhatters. Is it that common?

mcmoustache

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Isn’t it the case for EU migrants that you have to earn stamps before you get the dole?

It's probably like the way your car won't start unless you have a driver's licence.

Cordell

mcmoustache wrote: »

Are there really people out there who give out about social housing for dole abusers but have no problem with freeloading foreigners?

Probably, because having a problem with freeloading foreigners may be perceived as racist, and they won't have that.

mcmoustache

Cordell wrote: »

Probably, because having a problem with freeloading foreigners may be perceived as racist, and they won't have that.

You have a point. I wish people could just dislike freeloaders wherever they come from. It's much simpler.

road_high

suicide_circus wrote: »

People come to Europe for economic and quality of life reasons, who can blame them? At some point in the future however it stands to reason that in order to protect and maintain the benefits of European society which make it attractive to migrants, we will have to put the brakes on.

Not in the future, now! We are well past that. Africa and parts of asia are breeding like locusts, however that's not our problem.
I'm slightly heartened to see that the EU have become a little more coordinated and effective of late at stopping the hordes of African migrants in the Med trying to get to these shores. These add absolutely nothing to our societies only draw on our already stretched social services and housing. Not to mention the societal problems they inevitably bring.
Balanced, skilled migration is good. Free -for-all is catastrophic and I'm delighted to see a politician finally brave enough to speak up.

Ronaldinho

I would be more put out by the more social aspects of the story than the idea of the state coffers being bled. Reminded me of this: http://time.com/5124337/india-unwanted-missing-girls-women/
Story broke a couple of days ago.

Franz Von Peppercorn

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's probably like the way your car won't start unless you have a driver's licence.

Not really the same is it?

Grayson

road_high wrote: »

Not in the future, now! We are well past that. Africa and parts of asia are breeding like locusts, however that's not our problem.
I'm slightly heartened to see that the EU have become a little more coordinated and effective of late at stopping the hordes of African migrants in the Med trying to get to these shores. These add absolutely nothing to our societies only draw on our already stretched social services and housing. Not to mention the societal problems they inevitably bring.
Balanced, skilled migration is good. Free -for-all is catastrophic and I'm delighted to see a politician finally brave enough to speak up.

You know it's a well balanced argument when it's in a thread about a rumour and people are compared to insects.

mcmoustache

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not really the same is it?

No. Not quite.

While you need a driver's licence to drive on public roads, you do not need one to start your car. It's based on an old joke, possibly from a D'Unbelievables skit from 20 years ago.

As for needing stamps if you're an EU citizen, that might apply to Job Seeker's Benefit but the restriction on other DSP services appears to be based on the right to reside in the country.

I'm willing to be corrected on that.

fxotoole

“We are standing at airport gates weekly waving goodbye to our well-educated youth as they emigrate in the hope of a better life, with a cheque in the other hand welcoming families who are here for a good time with no intention of making a contribution to the State”

No we're not.

In fact, I don't know ANYONE in my work, social, or family circles who are waving goodbye weekly to people emigrating. Employment figures are at almost 100%. Ridiculous hyperbole.