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Is it time to make people resit driving test after a period of time?

  • 31-01-2018 10:06pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭


    This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

    Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

    The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

    With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Always though you should have to do a re-sit every decade, if your car needs a regular test you the driver certainly do! The evidence is to be seen every day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Should do. Older people are awful drivers I find, as a rule. Shouldn't be driving on the road like they do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    A theory test at very least, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Do any countries do this? Surely most crashes are caused by people doing things they know damn well not to do and that any learner driver would know is dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    No doubt would turn into a money making racket if done, any other countries doing it and it improving the road safety figures? Simple enough to pass a test on the day anyway and people would go back to habits then


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    With these new licences they require you to go along to the NDLS they should have required everyone to do a theory test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    Would it really make a difference tho ? After someone passes their test they will just go back to their old ways


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    EPAndlee wrote: »
    Would it really make a difference tho ? After someone passes their test they will just go back to their old ways
    I suppose the idea is that a percentage wouldn't pass it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Yes, we should repeat the test. The only thing that puts me off is the lack of governance and fairness in the testing at the moment. A lot of kids getting f#cked over. Just smells of a money spinning scam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    They could start with drunk drivers, those convicted of speeding and other traffic offences.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    OP I suggest you wait until you have time to analyse the figures and get back to us then.
    It's an interesting subject and deserves to be discussed using facts rather than speculation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    myshirt wrote: »
    Yes, we should repeat the test. The only thing that puts me off is the lack of governance and fairness in the testing at the moment. A lot of kids getting f#cked over. Just smells of a money spinning scam.

    It was never any different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    There is absolutely huge money in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    Certainly you should be made repeat the theory test every 10 years.
    Consequences of failing that is you then have to sit the driving test again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    There is absolutely huge money in it.

    In my plan it wouldn't be a money think. It'd just be a nominal fee if any.

    My main concern now is that you need a doctor's note, that's a lot of responsibility to place on the doctor and it could ruin a 40yr relationship and isolate the client from the doctor. So I think it needs to be a complete outsider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    elperello wrote: »
    OP I suggest you wait until you have time to analyse the figures and get back to us then.
    It's an interesting subject and deserves to be discussed using facts rather than speculation.

    Yeah, I have annual leave in the next month so will do it then.

    Only thing is I'd imagine the figures I'll find are massaged. I. E gardai more likely to use discretion with that age group or people not go to insurance companies for little dinks and just settled amongst themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

    Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

    The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

    With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html

    One accident does not make for a thesis. I think you may well find your assumptions are incorrect.
    The Road Safety Authority said its statistics showed “elderly drivers were not over-represented in crash statistics” and were probably among the safest groups of drivers.

    Justin Moran, of Age Action Ireland, said elderly drivers were generally safer with regard to not drink driving and not speeding. They were not over-represented in crashes.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/judge-s-remarks-on-elderly-drivers-wrong-and-ageist-1.3136659

    Remember older drivers must already undergo regular medical to ensure fitness to drive. I know of three older drivers in this locality who did not have their fitness to drive signed off due to ongoing medical issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    gozunda wrote: »
    One accident does not make for a thesis. I think you may well find your assumptions are incorrect.

    Remember older drivers must already undergo regular medical to ensure fitness to drive.

    I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.

    Also I'll take age action quotes with a pinch of salt when the topic of removing some of them from the road is being discussed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.


    But that assertion would only be correct if the data showed there was an eminently higher number of OAPs involved in crashes.

    From the other persons link the RSA refutes that.
    So why fix what nots broken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    A friend of my son just applied for his driving test completed all his lessons, got a date, June!
    if we all had to resit a test be it 10yrs, the backlog, they wouldn't cope.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.

    As stated above Doctors do put people off the road - often due to ongoing medical issues.

    What about the RSA statement? Are you ignoring that? Perhaps you should contact them for more detailed figures to test yor assumptions. However their statement appears fairly unequivocal imo.

    Be careful not to introduce bias into the study through assumption.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Kuva


    Only if they aint gonna fail 50% for the fun of it so NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

    Get out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    But that assertion would only be correct if the data showed there was an eminently higher number of OAPs involved in crashes.

    From the other persons link the RSA refutes that.
    So why fix what nots broken.

    First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I dont think resitting the driving test even yearly would change driving manners in this country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344


    Does not necessarilly mean that age group were at fault just because they died.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

    Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

    The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

    With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html

    Do you have a full license?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344

    What are the other stats and relevant age percentiles?

    Link to source data please...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,879 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    In my plan it wouldn't be a money think. It'd just be a nominal fee if any.

    My main concern now is that you need a doctor's note, that's a lot of responsibility to place on the doctor and it could ruin a 40yr relationship and isolate the client from the doctor. So I think it needs to be a complete outsider.

    I find it strange that you are anxious to have drivers' practical competence and theoretical knowledge be made subject to ongoing scrutiny, while putting so little weight on their medical fitness to drive.

    Doctors have to follow the rules, and if that annoys a client then just too bad. People who are medically unfit to drive should be put off the road.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Sla%CC%81inte%20Agus%20Tioma%CC%81int%202017%20i.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    They could start with drunk drivers, those convicted of speeding and other traffic offences.

    That are banned from driving yet get behind the wheel anyway

    I'd love to see a law that if your off the road and caught driving, you serve the remainder of the ban in jail. If you can't resist the temptation, take it away


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

    Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    That are banned from driving yet get behind the wheel anyway

    I'd love to see a law that if your off the road and caught driving, you serve the remainder of the ban in jail. If you can't resist the temptation, take it away


    And take the car also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    I find it strange that you are anxious to have drivers' practical competence and theoretical knowledge be made subject to ongoing scrutiny, while putting so little weight on their medical fitness to drive.

    Doctors have to follow the rules, and if that annoys a client then just too bad. People who are medically unfit to drive should be put off the road.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Sla%CC%81inte%20Agus%20Tioma%CC%81int%202017%20i.pdf

    Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    Dev84 wrote: »
    Do you have a full license?


    Well do you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,879 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.

    So if they were only half blind they would get a pass?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    gozunda wrote: »
    What are the other stats and relevant age percentiles?

    Link to source data please...

    Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    It's a bad idea. No one would pass their retest:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

    Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

    Ok and again - source please of the above statistic.

    When you say ...
    Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

    From this ^^^: you appear to be introducing bias into your assumptions regarding elderly drivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.

    You obviously don't have much faith in doctors. They have been known to declare people unfit to travel, to work, to have kids, to adopt, and other life changing occurances.

    What makes ye think they cannot make other unpopular decisions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    So if they were only half blind they would get a pass?

    Take the example from the case I linked in the op.

    His doctor treated him with medication for memory loss and didn't think to yank the license.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    gozunda wrote: »
    Ok and again - source please of the above statistic.

    Once again you appear to be introducing bias into your assumptions regarding elderly drivers.

    I've already told you where I've get these numbers from.

    I'll play with the figures some more when I've real time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17

    The usual practice when introducing facts and figures is to include a source and link to same. Thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    ANXIOUS

    Do you have a full license?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

    Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

    You seem to 'would say' an awful lot. All speculation with no basis in fact but a big dose of preconceived bias.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You obviously don't have much faith in doctors. They have been known to declare people unfit to travel, to work, to have kids, to adopt, and other life changing occurances.

    What makes ye think they cannot make other unpopular decisions?

    I've just emailed Shane Ross requesting those numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    You seem to 'would say' an awful lot. All speculation with no basis in fact but a big dose of preconceived bias.

    In your opinion when do you think it's most likely the 65+ age group are on the road?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sue Pa Key Pa


    ANXIOUS wrote:
    Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.


    Ah, FFS. Your just making stuff up now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Ah, FFS. Your just making stuff up now

    That's me giving an opinion Hensel I kept it away from the other statement.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    ANXIOUS

    I see whats going on. You dont have your license . You have more than likely failed your test on a number of sittings and are bitter so what to punish us who worked hard to get our test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    In your opinion when do you think it's most likely the 65+ age group are on the road?


    Totally irrelevant - that information cannot be reliably obtained through canvassing random posters or from your own preconceived ideas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17

    The age of the deceased is pointless. Something like 12% will be children under 16, so will you maintain they were driving? Elderly people may well be killed more in accidents (I think it's something like 33% over 60 and 33% for under 30s) but cause of the accident is the only true message. Insurance companies are usually quite up to par on these things and are not loading the premiums on middle aged to elderly drivers.


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