Is it time to make people resit driving test after a period of time?

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:06pm #1

This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html

Harry Palmr · 31-01-2018 10:07pm

Always though you should have to do a re-sit every decade, if your car needs a regular test you the driver certainly do! The evidence is to be seen every day.

MilesMorales1 · 31-01-2018 10:09pm

Should do. Older people are awful drivers I find, as a rule. Shouldn't be driving on the road like they do.

whoopsadoodles · 31-01-2018 10:09pm

A theory test at very least, yes.

suicide_circus · 31-01-2018 10:10pm

Do any countries do this? Surely most crashes are caused by people doing things they know damn well not to do and that any learner driver would know is dangerous.

Mooooo · 31-01-2018 10:11pm

No doubt would turn into a money making racket if done, any other countries doing it and it improving the road safety figures? Simple enough to pass a test on the day anyway and people would go back to habits then

Charles Babbage · 31-01-2018 10:11pm

With these new licences they require you to go along to the NDLS they should have required everyone to do a theory test.

EPAndlee · 31-01-2018 10:12pm

Would it really make a difference tho ? After someone passes their test they will just go back to their old ways

suicide_circus · 31-01-2018 10:13pm

EPAndlee wrote: »

Would it really make a difference tho ? After someone passes their test they will just go back to their old ways

I suppose the idea is that a percentage wouldn't pass it

myshirt · 31-01-2018 10:15pm

Yes, we should repeat the test. The only thing that puts me off is the lack of governance and fairness in the testing at the moment. A lot of kids getting f#cked over. Just smells of a money spinning scam.

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:15pm

They could start with drunk drivers, those convicted of speeding and other traffic offences.

elperello · 31-01-2018 10:16pm

OP I suggest you wait until you have time to analyse the figures and get back to us then.
It's an interesting subject and deserves to be discussed using facts rather than speculation.

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:16pm

myshirt wrote: »

Yes, we should repeat the test. The only thing that puts me off is the lack of governance and fairness in the testing at the moment. A lot of kids getting f#cked over. Just smells of a money spinning scam.

It was never any different.

suicide_circus · 31-01-2018 10:18pm

There is absolutely huge money in it.

quadrifoglio verde · 31-01-2018 10:18pm

Certainly you should be made repeat the theory test every 10 years.
Consequences of failing that is you then have to sit the driving test again.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:21pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is absolutely huge money in it.

In my plan it wouldn't be a money think. It'd just be a nominal fee if any.

My main concern now is that you need a doctor's note, that's a lot of responsibility to place on the doctor and it could ruin a 40yr relationship and isolate the client from the doctor. So I think it needs to be a complete outsider.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:23pm

elperello wrote: »

OP I suggest you wait until you have time to analyse the figures and get back to us then.
It's an interesting subject and deserves to be discussed using facts rather than speculation.

Yeah, I have annual leave in the next month so will do it then.

Only thing is I'd imagine the figures I'll find are massaged. I. E gardai more likely to use discretion with that age group or people not go to insurance companies for little dinks and just settled amongst themselves.

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:23pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html

One accident does not make for a thesis. I think you may well find your assumptions are incorrect.

The Road Safety Authority said its statistics showed “elderly drivers were not over-represented in crash statistics” and were probably among the safest groups of drivers.

Justin Moran, of Age Action Ireland, said elderly drivers were generally safer with regard to not drink driving and not speeding. They were not over-represented in crashes.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/judge-s-remarks-on-elderly-drivers-wrong-and-ageist-1.3136659

Remember older drivers must already undergo regular medical to ensure fitness to drive. I know of three older drivers in this locality who did not have their fitness to drive signed off due to ongoing medical issues.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:25pm

gozunda wrote: »

One accident does not make for a thesis. I think you may well find your assumptions are incorrect.

Remember older drivers must already undergo regular medical to ensure fitness to drive.

I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.

Also I'll take age action quotes with a pinch of salt when the topic of removing some of them from the road is being discussed.

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:29pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.

But that assertion would only be correct if the data showed there was an eminently higher number of OAPs involved in crashes.

From the other persons link the RSA refutes that.
So why fix what nots broken.

SCOOP 64 · 31-01-2018 10:31pm

A friend of my son just applied for his driving test completed all his lessons, got a date, June!
if we all had to resit a test be it 10yrs, the backlog, they wouldn't cope.

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:31pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I'm happy to correct that at a later date, I've already covered off that I feel their personal GP is way too close to be making that decision.

As stated above Doctors do put people off the road - often due to ongoing medical issues.

What about the RSA statement? Are you ignoring that? Perhaps you should contact them for more detailed figures to test yor assumptions. However their statement appears fairly unequivocal imo.

Be careful not to introduce bias into the study through assumption.

Kuva · 31-01-2018 10:31pm

Only if they aint gonna fail 50% for the fun of it so NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Get out.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:34pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

But that assertion would only be correct if the data showed there was an eminently higher number of OAPs involved in crashes.

From the other persons link the RSA refutes that.
So why fix what nots broken.

First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344

Rubberchikken · 31-01-2018 10:35pm

I dont think resitting the driving test even yearly would change driving manners in this country

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:36pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344

Does not necessarilly mean that age group were at fault just because they died.

Dev84 · 31-01-2018 10:39pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

This is something that I have been thinking about for a while and just haven't had the time to pull off the numbers and analyze them.

Basically I think everyone should have to resit the driving test after say 10years of initially passing it and then ever 5 years from 65-80 and after that on a yearly basis.

The data I need is age profile for crashes, cliams and deaths, as I believe I think there is a direct link with elderly drivers.

With Shane Ross's militant view on drink drivers I think this is the next natural step. The below cases got me thinking of it today.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-84-did-uturn-at-toll-plaza-and-drove-3km-the-wrong-way-on-motorway-before-being-killed-36551795.html

Do you have a full license?

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:39pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

First Stat, in 2016&2017 (combined) people over the age of 65 account for the largest portion of road deaths 77 out of 344

What are the other stats and relevant age percentiles?

Link to source data please...

dxhound2005 · 31-01-2018 10:41pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

In my plan it wouldn't be a money think. It'd just be a nominal fee if any.

My main concern now is that you need a doctor's note, that's a lot of responsibility to place on the doctor and it could ruin a 40yr relationship and isolate the client from the doctor. So I think it needs to be a complete outsider.

I find it strange that you are anxious to have drivers' practical competence and theoretical knowledge be made subject to ongoing scrutiny, while putting so little weight on their medical fitness to drive.

Doctors have to follow the rules, and if that annoys a client then just too bad. People who are medically unfit to drive should be put off the road.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Sla%CC%81inte%20Agus%20Tioma%CC%81int%202017%20i.pdf

GhostyMcGhost · 31-01-2018 10:42pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

They could start with drunk drivers, those convicted of speeding and other traffic offences.

That are banned from driving yet get behind the wheel anyway

I'd love to see a law that if your off the road and caught driving, you serve the remainder of the ban in jail. If you can't resist the temptation, take it away

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:43pm

Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:44pm

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

That are banned from driving yet get behind the wheel anyway

I'd love to see a law that if your off the road and caught driving, you serve the remainder of the ban in jail. If you can't resist the temptation, take it away

And take the car also.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:45pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I find it strange that you are anxious to have drivers' practical competence and theoretical knowledge be made subject to ongoing scrutiny, while putting so little weight on their medical fitness to drive.

Doctors have to follow the rules, and if that annoys a client then just too bad. People who are medically unfit to drive should be put off the road.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Sla%CC%81inte%20Agus%20Tioma%CC%81int%202017%20i.pdf

Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.

Dev84 · 31-01-2018 10:46pm

Dev84 wrote: »

Do you have a full license?

Well do you?

dxhound2005 · 31-01-2018 10:46pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.

So if they were only half blind they would get a pass?

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:47pm

gozunda wrote: »

What are the other stats and relevant age percentiles?

Link to source data please...

Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17

uck51js9zml2yt · 31-01-2018 10:48pm

It's a bad idea. No one would pass their retest:)

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:49pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

Ok and again - source please of the above statistic.

When you say ...

Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

From this ^^^: you appear to be introducing bias into your assumptions regarding elderly drivers.

Fann Linn · 31-01-2018 10:49pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Because I find it hard to believe that a doctor wouldnt be willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt of it meant them being housebound with no social outlet or ability to function.

You obviously don't have much faith in doctors. They have been known to declare people unfit to travel, to work, to have kids, to adopt, and other life changing occurances.

What makes ye think they cannot make other unpopular decisions?

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:50pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

So if they were only half blind they would get a pass?

Take the example from the case I linked in the op.

His doctor treated him with medication for memory loss and didn't think to yank the license.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:51pm

gozunda wrote: »

Ok and again - source please of the above statistic.

Once again you appear to be introducing bias into your assumptions regarding elderly drivers.

I've already told you where I've get these numbers from.

I'll play with the figures some more when I've real time.

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:51pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17

The usual practice when introducing facts and figures is to include a source and link to same. Thanks

Dev84 · 31-01-2018 10:52pm

ANXIOUS

Do you have a full license?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-01-2018 10:52pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Another statistic, the most common time for a driver to be killed on the roads is between 12-4pm. Personally I would've thought this would've been midnight and 4 am with drink driving g.

Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

You seem to 'would say' an awful lot. All speculation with no basis in fact but a big dose of preconceived bias.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:52pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

You obviously don't have much faith in doctors. They have been known to declare people unfit to travel, to work, to have kids, to adopt, and other life changing occurances.

What makes ye think they cannot make other unpopular decisions?

I've just emailed Shane Ross requesting those numbers.

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:53pm

Cason Powerful Skateboard wrote: »

You seem to 'would say' an awful lot. All speculation with no basis in fact but a big dose of preconceived bias.

In your opinion when do you think it's most likely the 65+ age group are on the road?

Sue Pa Key Pa · 31-01-2018 10:54pm

ANXIOUS wrote:

Also I would say 12-4pm is the most common time for elderly drivers to be on the road.

Ah, FFS. Your just making stuff up now

ANXIOUS · 31-01-2018 10:55pm

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Ah, FFS. Your just making stuff up now

That's me giving an opinion Hensel I kept it away from the other statement.

Dev84 · 31-01-2018 10:57pm

ANXIOUS

I see whats going on. You dont have your license . You have more than likely failed your test on a number of sittings and are bitter so what to punish us who worked hard to get our test.

gozunda · 31-01-2018 10:57pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

In your opinion when do you think it's most likely the 65+ age group are on the road?

Totally irrelevant - that information cannot be reliably obtained through canvassing random posters or from your own preconceived ideas.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-01-2018 10:58pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Provisional review of fatal collisions 01.01.17 to 31.12.17

The age of the deceased is pointless. Something like 12% will be children under 16, so will you maintain they were driving? Elderly people may well be killed more in accidents (I think it's something like 33% over 60 and 33% for under 30s) but cause of the accident is the only true message. Insurance companies are usually quite up to par on these things and are not loading the premiums on middle aged to elderly drivers.

Is it time to make people resit driving test after a period of time?

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