Vegans are so touchy

KwackerJack

You don't eat meat, great that's your choice and none of my business and really I don't.care. But when I posted the below on bookface it was not received very well and instead of a mature debate all the Vegans just got angry and went on like a teenager been grounded.


My post :

"No 1 : If your vegan keep it to yourself and stop forcing your beleifs onto others, I don't force meat eating onto you

No 2 : Without meat you wouldn't even be on this planet, early man had a meat diet and without that diet they would not have survived and you would not be here to talk about it"

Vegan Person :

**** you : In a distant future all mankind will be vegan and ignorant people like you will be a smelly meat eating race that dwells in the sewers eating rats"

That is what was actually said to me on bookface after I highlighted that meat was one ( not all ) of the reason why early man developed into the species we are today!

Upon further research some Vegans have actually physically attacked people who do not agree with them and who ask them to accept mest eaters


We all know the world has a PC overdose but are we really being attaced both verbally and physically by Vegans because we eat meat??

Maybe the no meat diet is causing their anger??

Mena

Somebody properly, rat can be quite good. Bernaise sauce would be the way to go.

Sewer as a backdrop, not so sure... maybe it’ll work in some hipster like future.

Though, why are you posting this on bookface? You obviously wanted the reaction.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Sounds like you started the intolerance, to be honest.

I know no vegans and have never knowingly discussed eating meat or otherwise, with any.

Vegans are just domestic cow haters. If everyone was vegan, domestic cows would be extinct. Dont hate on the cows.

Capt'n Midnight

Mena wrote: »

Somebody properly, rat can be quite good.

Polly: Ratatouille. The chef calls the ratatouille 'Basil' because he puts quite a lot of basil in it.

Manuel: He put Basil in the ratatouille?

Polly: Yes!

Manuel: ARGGGHHHHHHHH!

[Manuel runs off to the kitchen screaming, Polly following]

Zaph

I have zero time for veganism (or vegetarianism), I like meat far too much, so what vegans and vegetarians eat doesn't even register with me. As long as they don't try to convert me it's entirely their business, so I certainly wouldn't start posting on social media abusing them just for the sake of it.

Capt'n Midnight

Deleted User wrote: »

Vegans are just domestic cow haters. If everyone was vegan, domestic cows would be extinct. Dont hate on the cows.

"Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you cared about!"

One eyed Jack

I think the reaction was likely due to your opening line OP -


If your vegan keep it to yourself


It didn't occur to you that if you have a problem with vegans, you should keep it to yourself?

I'm not vegan either btw, but I don't go looking for an argument from vegans either, and they too know better than to comment on my diet.

HeidiHeidi

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I think the reaction was likely due to your opening line OP -


If your vegan keep it to yourself


It didn't occur to you that if you have a problem with vegans, you should keep it to yourself?

I'm not vegan either btw, but I don't go looking for an argument from vegans either, and they too know better than to comment on my diet.

This!

And why bookface, not facebook (which is what it's actually called)

Grayson

It does sound like it was the OP who started the argument.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

This!

And why bookface, not facebook (which is what it's actually called)

Trying to be edgy and indignant towards Facebook but reads and posts on it. Bizarre really.

RobbingBandit

I eat tofu from south east Asia cause I like think eating meat is evil it goes way over my head that in order to transport my tofu to my super uber food boutique fossil fuels are used but I can choose to look the other way to these facts cause nature is awesome. Oblivious dick bags.

GLaDOS

I hear way more people bitching about vegans than vegans bitching about eating meat.

neonsofa

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

This!

And why bookface, not facebook (which is what it's actually called)

Ok so it's not an actual site? I googled and was so confused!

HeidiHeidi

neonsofa wrote: »

Ok so it's not an actual site? I googled and was so confused!

Maybe it is! And I'm just soooooo out of touch.

But I think it's facebook he's referring to......

Dakota Dan

Deleted User wrote: »

Vegans are just domestic cow haters. If everyone was vegan, domestic cows would be extinct. Dont hate on the cows.

As a dairy and beef farmer I can assure you vegans don't know jack Schitt about farming all they do is make up dramatised nonsense to push their agenda stupid b@stards.

endacl

neonsofa

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Maybe it is! And I'm just soooooo out of touch.

But I think it's facebook he's referring to......

I dunno! It's not easier to type or anything though nor is it particular insulting, Like when people use twatter, which I find equally weird tbh, but at least they're changing the name for an obvious reason.

messinkiapina

As a vegan who has never lectured anyone on their diet choices, I've found that people are very touchy towards my own tbh.

freshpopcorn

I often see threads here in which vegans say they a ridiculed by meat eater at weddings/events and to be honest I have never really experienced this. I have a few relatives who a vegans and all they do is share images of animals and say how can you eat me and say you wouldn't eat the dog.

Rubberchikken

I love meat. I love animals. I respect people who dont want to eat meat. If they dont respect my ways its like water off a ducks back to me. Oh i dont eat duck. Way too cute.

Lu Tze

GLaDOS wrote: »

I hear way more people bitching about vegans than vegans bitching about eating meat.

Yes, in which case we should get a forum for this specific purpose, just like the vegans got!

nozzferrahhtoo

KwackerJack wrote: »

instead of a mature debate all the Vegans just got angry and went on like a teenager been grounded.

Ok then let me see if I can offer you the mature debate you feel you missed elsewhere.....

KwackerJack wrote: »

"No 1 : If your vegan keep it to yourself and stop forcing your beleifs onto others, I don't force meat eating onto you

Firstly telling people to keep their stuff to themselves, while you yourself are demonstrably not keeping yours to yourself, is a level of hypocrisy that will generally attract deep ire. You likely only have yourself to blame for this.

There is no reason they SHOULD keep it to themselves. We live in a discourse based democracy. And people who are doing something wrong will often only learn they are doing something wrong through discourse.

Now as it happens I am a meat eater. I have yet to be shown a single argument ever as to why I should not eat meat. All the arguments I ever get are to do with why we should not be producing our meat like we are now. But not a single argument EVER against actually eating meat.

But IF eating meat is wrong, and there IS arguments to that effect, then I want to hear them. They should not "keep it to themselves". They should tell me. They should tell ALL of us.

They just haven't got those arguments to offer yet is all.

KwackerJack wrote: »

No 2 : Without meat you wouldn't even be on this planet, early man had a meat diet and without that diet they would not have survived and you would not be here to talk about it"

I am not sure meat eaters OR vegetarians can or should be convinced by that line of reasoning. There are a lot of things we would not exist now, if we did not have when we were "early man". That does not mean we can, or should, have them now.

When judging the morality or utility of something we do TODAY, we should consider it on the merits it holds TODAY. Not what it may, or may not, have brought us in the far distant past.

Also how safe do you think your assumption that we would not have survived even is? We are a very adaptable species. And other species have adapted to complex changes in their diet too. For example Pandas.... those lovable docile "vegetarians" were once very much carnivores. "Previous research has suggested environmental changes killed off most of the panda prey, leaving them no choice but to turn vegetarian in order to survive."

KwackerJack wrote: »

In a distant future all mankind will be vegan and ignorant people like you will be a smelly meat eating race that dwells in the sewers eating rats

Your interlocutor is probably very wrong here. We have made very large inroads into lab grown meat. Which means in this "distant future" mankind will likely be just as much an omnivore as it is now. There is a company called "Memphis Meats" for example (I hope I remembered that name right, too lazy to google) who are attempting to go to market with the first such product(s).

KwackerJack wrote: »

Upon further research some Vegans have actually physically attacked people

Perhaps but that is not remarkable. You go into ANY debate and you will find there are people attacking other people. So that your further research finds it here is no surprise really. I would be more surprised if you did NOT find such things.

KwackerJack wrote: »

We all know the world has a PC overdose but are we really being attaced both verbally and physically by Vegans because we eat meat?? Maybe the no meat diet is causing their anger??

Or maybe with a small level of human empathy and imagination you could try and see it from their side. Not AGREE with them I mean. Just see it from their side.

If you saw me whipping a random small child with a whip for fun, would you stop me? I suspect you would try at least. You would feel compelled by what you see as a horrific injustice to stop me. First with words, and when words failed then likely with violence.

So maybe you can stop and realize that, however misguided they might or might not be in their ideas, these vegans see a genuine injustice occurring in our world. And they feel just as compelled to stop it, as you would be to stop me whipping that child.

I for one have listened to their concerns over the years, and it has motivated me to source my meat in the most ethical fashion(s) I can at any given time. And I support many initiative that strive to make the production of meat in our world more ethical.

And just as soon as they come up with a good argument as to why I should not be eating meat AT ALL, then that will influence my behavior too and I genuinely will stop. But I suspect the reason such arguments have not been forthcoming to date.... is that there is none.

machiavellianme

I don't eat what food eats.

SEPT 23 1989

would you need teeth if you were eating flowers

Dakota Dan

messinkiapina wrote: »

As a vegan who has never lectured anyone on their diet choices, I've found that people are very touchy towards my own tbh.

I wonder why that is :rolleyes:

Pawwed Rig

There was corn fed rat on a menu in a restaurant I went to in China. They brought the live rat through the restaurant and slit its throat in view of everyone. Snake was also on the menu.


I had the chicken (or so I was told)

Dakota Dan

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I often see threads here in which vegans say they a ridiculed by meat eater at weddings/events and to be honest I have never really experienced this. I have a few relatives who a vegans and all they do is share images of animals and say how can you eat me and say you wouldn't eat the dog.

Don't like dog meat unlike Koreans.

Dakota Dan

There seems to be a lot of shy vegans creeping into this thread.

Dakota Dan

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

There was corn fed rat on a menu in a restaurant I went to in China. They brought the live rat through the restaurant and slit its throat in view of everyone. Snake was also on the menu.


I had the chicken (or so I was told)

Do they also bring the chicken through the restaurant?

PopePalpatine

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Your interlocutor is probably very wrong here. We have made very large inroads into lab grown meat. Which means in this "distant future" mankind will likely be just as much an omnivore as it is now. There is a company called "Memphis Meats" for example (I hope I remembered that name right, too lazy to google) who are attempting to go to market with the first such product(s).

First of all, you got the name right.

Secondly, lab-grown meat has me wondering, how many vegans/vegetarians would resume eating meat if that made it to market? Concerns of killing live animals would be irrelevant, and I can only think of one objection against such meat, that being that the original animal providing the chicken/cow/pig/sheep etc. DNA couldn't consent to providing it, much like how vegans claim chickens can't consent to you eating their eggs or that cows can't consent to you drinking their milk or eating any cheese/butter that results from it.

Archeron

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

would you need teeth if you were eating flowers

I reckon you would have to suck them, like lollipops.

B.A._Baracus

If I am to be honest there are three types of people in this world who just love to tell you all about what they are... And they are: atheists, fitness types and vegans/vegetarians. Now am not saying everyone of them does. I don't have my big brush out ready to tarnish. But you often find its those people above.

But dont they realise no one cares? :pac:
No one cares if you ran a 10k
No one cares if you don't eat meat
No one cares if you don't believe in God

nozzferrahhtoo

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Secondly, lab-grown meat has me wondering, how many vegans/vegetarians would resume eating meat if that made it to market?

I have no data on it but Sam Harris did try to run a twitter poll of his fan base on the matter. I think if I recall the results correctly, the numbers of vegetarians who would start to eat lab meat was well over 50%.

But there was a certain "ick" factor at the thought of lab meat that meant many still wouldn't. But this was not unique to vegetarians. Even many meat eaters could not get over some weird feeling that it just would be "ick". None of them seemed capable of saying why though.

But I think it would be a generational thing. Many many people would switch to a decent lab grown product I think. And then after maybe even just a single generation, the "ick" factor would dissolve.

All just my subjective guess work of course! But I look forward to affordable products coming to market to test it in the real world.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

If I am to be honest there are three types of people in this world who just love to tell you all about what they are...

Or to make a more general version of your subjective observations......... people who are in the minority at any given time are more likely to identify themselves that people who feel they are the status quo or "norm".

That said though I have to say my observations are the exact opposite of yours. None of the three categories you mention seem to identify themselves all that much that I have noticed. Save for vegetarians but ONLY when I was going to be feeding them. Which is.... I trust you agree..... the one time you would want them to.

AllForIt

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

If I am to be honest there are three types of people in this world who just love to tell you all about what they are... And they are: atheists, fitness types and vegans/vegetarians.....

I deleted my social media accounts. That's four.

Anita Blow

No issues with veganism and I'm glad to see it grow, but I take issue with the cult-like qualities many of it's followers have. There was a post this month on an Irish Vegan group on Facebook about a person's grandfather who had advanced alzheimer's and she wanted to start him on a vegan diet. Vast majority of the replies were supportive of a vulnerable person without capacity having their diet changed so drastically without his consent, and many went on about how veganism has been shown to reverse Alzheimer's. One even recommended putting him on a water restriction diet like

the_pen_turner

I have to agree with the OP.
vegans, vegetarians , and those fake food allergy people (genuine ones don't do it) ae the first to lecture you on what you eat. they will tell you what they are and why you are wrong to eat what you eat or scob at it and ruin your dinner.
I suppose it is only the mouthy ones I hear so its not all of them.

same goes for cyclists. a few bad ones give the rest a bad name .

nullzero

Zaph wrote: »

what vegans and vegetarians eat doesn't even register with me.

Some of it is quite nice on a plate next to some meat.

Vic_08

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But dont they realise no one cares? :pac:
No one cares if you ran a 10k
No one cares if you don't eat meat
No one cares if you don't believe in God

You have a point on the first two but it is pretty obvious that far too many people across the planet care far too much about the last one.

Capt'n Midnight

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

would you need teeth if you were eating flowers

Yes.

Flowers aren't that nutritious so you'd have to go through a lot of them.
Yes pollen and nectar are nutritious but there isn't much in a flower.

Us primates usually leave the flowers alone and wait for the fruit or berries from them.

eviltwin

I'm vegetarian/vegan 25 years. I never push my views on anyone but if I'm asked why I don't eat meat or dairy I will be honest. All too often the person who asks sees it as a judgement against them. Honestly I couldn't care what anyone eats and I can never understand why my diet incites such rage.

Irish Guitarist

KwackerJack wrote: »

If your vegan keep it to yourself

There are two problems here.

The first is you left a vital part of the sentence out. If my vegan does what? If he or she does something noteworthy why shouldn't I be able to tell someone about it?

The second problem is that vegans shouldn't be kept as slaves in the first place. It just seems wrong somehow.

nozzferrahhtoo

eviltwin wrote: »

if I'm asked why I don't eat meat or dairy I will be honest. All too often the person who asks sees it as a judgement against them.

You are not alone in that though, if that makes you feel better. For two random examples people who do not have or want children........ or people who do not drink alcohol.......... often report the same type of reaction from people.

Tilikum17

GLaDOS wrote: »

I hear way more people bitching about vegans than vegans bitching about eating meat.

This.

Myself & the wife are vegan. We never bring it up. Went out for a meal in December with all of our mates & wives (30 odd). Nothing but ridicule & aggressive questioning.

Believe me when I say, it’s not the vegans that start the arguments.

I don’t give a flying **** what you or anyone else wants to eat. Most vegans would have the same opinion as me & if they don’t, it’s because they’re just plain arseholes, not because they’re vegan.

Fr_Dougal

Hey Op, if they posted on their own Facebook, that’s their territory. If they posted on your FB, they go for it.

Personally I’d go with one of their choices:

Zombienosh

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

You are not alone in that though, if that makes you feel better. For two random examples people who do not have or want children........ or people who do not drink alcohol.......... often report the same type of reaction from people.

I tick all three boxes you can imagine the questions I get.

the_pen_turner

Tilikum17 wrote: »

This.

Myself & the wife are vegan. We never bring it up. Went out for a meal in December with all of our mates & wives (30 odd). Nothing but ridicule & aggressive questioning.

Believe me when I say, it’s not the vegans that start the arguments.

I don’t give a flying **** what you or anyone else wants to eat. Most vegans would have the same opinion as me & if they don’t, it’s because they’re just plain arseholes, not because they’re vegan.

I usually see that conversation going one of 2 ways.
1
your in a restaurant. vegan asks for option , nobody says anything bad just a few questions , all very respectful

2
vegan asks for option , then tells everyone that they are a vegan and that she cant eat meat and that she thinks its evil to eat meat. of course the non vegans are going to stand up for their beliefs. vegan starts on about how is wrong to murder poor animals, and how the animals are abused .
debate dies off until food is brought out and vegan is off again , scobbing at the meat and ruining it for everyone

this is the way I have seen it go down several times. happens fairly regularly. our group of friends even had to stop inviting a vegan and vegie because of the way they acted

davidk1394

Where did all the vegan bashing come out of all of a sudden ? It was on 2fm last week with the breakfast show and Nicky and jenny at least 4 out of the 5 mornings. I have no issues with vegans unless they go on about ethics and shìt they clearly have no clue what their talking about. I'm a meat eater myself and livestock farmer. I would gladly like to meet a PETA person though and set them straight.... with a hurley

Hande hoche!

davidk1394 wrote: »

Where did all the vegan bashing come out of all of a sudden ? It was on 2fm last week with the breakfast show and Nicky and jenny at least 4 out of the 5 mornings. I have no issues with vegans unless they go on about ethics and sh they clearly have no clue what their talking about. I'm a meat eater myself and livestock farmer. I would gladly like to meet a PETA person though and set them straight.... with a hurley

Think Veganuary has something to do with it.

_Dara_

GLaDOS wrote: »

I hear way more people bitching about vegans than vegans bitching about eating meat.

Yup.

Anyone who goes on about their diet is annoying, whatever that diet is. Are there preachy vegans and vegetarians? Sure. But they are in a minority. I have one friend who I didn't know was vegetarian until 18 months after I met her.

I find that some people get immediately thick with vegans/veggies if they just happen to mention that they don't eat meat/animal products.

And the whole "Why should I cook them veggie food if they won't cook me something me with meat it in?". Well, if someone doesn't eat meat because they don't agree with eating animals, it's very understandable that they won't want to cook meat-containing meals at all. Whereas, practically everyone eats vegetables. It's very petulant to refuse to cook them something.

_Dara_

davidk1394 wrote: »

I have no issues with vegans unless they go on about ethics and shìt they clearly have no clue what their talking about.

If they are talking about chickens and pigs, they're likely right on the money. These animals are for the most part intensively-farmed and it ain't pretty. And I say that as a meat-eater.