Compulsory flu vaccination for old folk.

kneemos

Not have them clogging up the hospitals and dieing and ****.

s4uv3

Wow.

sullivlo

Compulsory vaccination for all, IMO.

RobbingBandit

CIA nanobiotic tracking chip and a free US of A flag for all.

Umekichi

sullivlo wrote: »

Compulsory vaccination for all, IMO.

Definitely agree, should be mandatory for access to public education, healthcare etc. With only medically based exceptions allowed

Canis Lupus

My granny developed autism after getting the flu vaccination.

ikeano29

Know 2 older people got the jabs in last 2 weeks. Both are dying of the flu at the moment

Canis Lupus

ikeano29 wrote: »

Know 2 older people got the jabs in last 2 weeks. Both are dying of the flu at the moment

Literally or figuratively dying and the actual flu or just a cold (which isn't the flu).

EDIT also appears to take about 2 weeks for the immune system to start creating the required antibodies and it only protects against certain strains. It's not a guaranteed immunity.

Grayson

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Literally or figuratively dying and the actual flu or just a cold (which isn't the flu).

EDIT also appears to take about 2 weeks for the immune system to start creating the required antibodies and it only protects against certain strains. It's not a guaranteed immunity.

Each year the flu jab is a cocktail of vaccinations against the strains they think will occur that winter.

We were offered it free in work. I took it but about half the office didn't. I can't believe there are people who'd turn down a free flu vaccination. It's no guarantee but if it lessens the chances and it's free, the take it.

kneemos

There's a fine for not wearing a seat belt,refusing a flu jab is effectively the same thing.

andekwarhola

Proof that fundamentally good ideas can sometimes originate from the most imbecilic of sources.

That said, I thought I heard on the radio (through a half sleep fog) that there's two strains around this winter with only one that the vaccine is effective against. Did I hear that wrong?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

kneemos wrote: »

There's a fine for not wearing a seat belt,refusing a flu jab is effectively the same thing.

I had a long reply prepared for this but I'll abbreviate it..... Hogwash!

Corruptedmorals

There's a huge amount of people who think the vaccination gives people the flu. The HSE need to do some work to educate people. The nature of the flu and it's changing strains means we'll probably never have a perfect vaccine for it but people seem to think if it's not like the polio vaccine with eradication then it's dangerous. Being protected against 50-70%ish of the strains is better than 0%.

Harika

Grayson wrote: »

Each year the flu jab is a cocktail of vaccinations against the strains they think will occur that winter.

We were offered it free in work. I took it but about half the office didn't. I can't believe there are people who'd turn down a free flu vaccination. It's no guarantee but if it lessens the chances and it's free, the take it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/641162/Influenza_vaccine_effectiveness_in_primary_care_1617_final.pdf

It is guessed and estimated every year, which strains will hit us. Like last year it was 40% effectiveness for all age groups, this year it is suspected even worse. Still a small jab can spare you a week of misery in bed, it also takes pressure from the hospital treating people with preventable diseases. Hello, spending a week on a trolley.

ohnonotgmail

Harika wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/641162/Influenza_vaccine_effectiveness_in_primary_care_1617_final.pdf

It is guessed and estimated every year, which strains will hit us. Like last year it was 40% effectiveness for all age groups, this year it is suspected even worse. Still a small jab can spare you a week of misery in bed, it also takes pressure from the hospital treating people with preventable diseases. Hello, spending a week on a trolley.

the HSE are claiming 60% effectiveness this year.

Danbo!

ikeano29 wrote: »

Know 2 older people got the jabs in last 2 weeks. Both are dying of the flu at the moment

If you come into contact with the flu and it takes hold, it takes a few days for symptoms to appear. The vaccine takes up to 14 days to become fully effective, so it's entirely possible they caught it before or after the vaccine. It's also not 100% effective, so could still catch it when vaccinated. Also, none of what I've just said actually matters as it's not a live vaccine and it's impossible to catch the flu from it.

Grayson wrote: »

We were offered it free in work. I took it but about half the office didn't. I can't believe there are people who'd turn down a free flu vaccination. It's no guarantee but if it lessens the chances and it's free, the take it.

"Sure why bother, the flu is only a bit of a cough, I'll be fine if I get it" as one colleague put it.

I'm a bit of a germaphobe as my daughter is in the high-risk group, pisses me off that people I am in daily close-contact with would turn down a free vaccine just because they're not bothered, not realising they're raising the risk for others.

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

There's a huge amount of people who think the vaccination gives people the flu. The HSE need to do some work to educate people. The nature of the flu and it's changing strains means we'll probably never have a perfect vaccine for it but people seem to think if it's not like the polio vaccine with eradication then it's dangerous. Being protected against 50-70%ish of the strains is better than 0%.

As above, there's also a huge amount of people who have a tickle in their throat and say they've caught the flu, and therefore don't see it as any sort of threat and don't bother with the vaccine, so education on this would also help.

Teddy1690

Wow compulsory flu jab be taking away somes rights on there medical decision. It be like strapping you down and forcing you to take an injection of medication. Some people believe the ful jab is harmful. I get the financial benefits to our healthcare system if there was less hospitalisation due to flu but in saying that this is not the way its morally wrong and a slippery slope.

cruizer101

Danbo! wrote: »

"Sure why bother, the flu is only a bit of a cough, I'll be fine if I get it" as one colleague put it.

This is another thing there is a lot of misunderstanding about, a lot of people equate a bit of a cold with a flu.
A proper flu will leave you feeling **** for days it not just a bit coughy and sniffly

ohnonotgmail

cruizer101 wrote: »

This is another thing there is a lot of misunderstanding about, a lot of people equate a bit of a cold with a flu.
A proper flu will leave you feeling **** for days it not just a bit coughy and sniffly

i had real flu about 20 years ago. A week of pain-filled delirium i do not want to repeat.

clairewithani

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i had real flu about 20 years ago. A week of pain-filled delirium i do not want to repeat.

25 years ago. Off work 2 weeks and felt weak and tired for 2 more. The flu is a terrible disease. Easy to see how it kills people.

sullivlo

Teddy1690 wrote: »

Wow compulsory flu jab be taking away somes rights on there medical decision. It be like strapping you down and forcing you to take an injection of medication. Some people believe the ful jab is harmful. I get the financial benefits to our healthcare system if there was less hospitalisation due to flu but in saying that this is not the way its morally wrong and a slippery slope.

Well some people would be wrong.

My original post was in jest. But I do believe that vaccines, when appropriate, should be mandatory (but not enforceable), as I believe that their benefits far outweigh any potential side effects (that are largely as a result of scaremongering based on a since retracted publication).

sullivlo

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i had real flu about 20 years ago. A week of pain-filled delirium i do not want to repeat.

I have asthma. I had the flu about 8 years ago. I couldn’t lift my head off the pillow. I crawled to the bathroom, I puked into a bowl beside my bed, I couldn’t eat, drink, anything. I was like that for about 10 days. My GP called to my house to get me some steroids to help with my breathing. I was too weak to visit the surgery.

When I hear people saying they have a flu I get very angry.

Anita Blow

Teddy1690 wrote: »

Wow compulsory flu jab be taking away somes rights on there medical decision. It be like strapping you down and forcing you to take an injection of medication. Some people believe the ful jab is harmful. I get the financial benefits to our healthcare system if there was less hospitalisation due to flu but in saying that this is not the way its morally wrong and a slippery slope.

Rights are not absolute and are generally limited for the greater good. Just as my right to free speech ends when I begin defaming someone, your right to refuse prophylaxis for preventable transmissable diseases should be limited if that decision can lead to the death of others

kneemos

andekwarhola wrote: »

Proof that fundamentally good ideas can sometimes originate from the most imbecilic of sources.

That said, I thought I heard on the radio (through a half sleep fog) that there's two strains around this winter with only one that the vaccine is effective against. Did I hear that wrong?

Hey.

Somebody said something I'm not sure who they mean.

Fred Swanson

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Nettle Soup

sullivlo wrote: »

Compulsory vaccination for all, IMO.

That would be a scary and idiotic move. Basically telling Big Pharma they don't need to test any new vaccines because the compulsory "trials" will do it for them.
Big Pharma already rush out vaccines without enough trials and testing (e.g. Swine flu swindle) because revenue trumps safety.

Nettle Soup

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i had real flu about 20 years ago. A week of pain-filled delirium i do not want to repeat.

Same. I had the "real flu" just once. It was absolutely awful. I thought I was going to die and I was 25.
My GP also told me I had gotten the swine flu but I had hardly noticed. It felt no more than a cold. He said it was blown out of all proportion.

Wibbs

sullivlo wrote: »

When I hear people saying they have a flu I get very angry.

Nettle Soup wrote: »

My GP also told me I had gotten the swine flu but I had hardly noticed. It felt no more than a cold. He said it was blown out of all proportion.

I came down with the swine flu and was utterly fooked for ten days. Other than a bout of flu in the id 80's that had me on deaths door, it was the worst flu I've ever suffered.

I've caught other flus that came on rapidly and went away just as rapidly, when others were felled by it. One case was a bad dose going around a few years back, when my live in girlfriend came down with it and naturally because of our closs proximity so did I. I felt dog rough, but on my feet for about three days, yet she was bedridden for a fortnight and had to get medical attention. Yes it is most certainly a far more serious illness than a head cold, but people can vary wildly around an average as far as severity of symptoms. Oddly enough my dad never caught the flu in his 80 odd years of life. Not once. Must have had a natural immunity to the strains he encountered.

Nettle Soup

Wibbs wrote: »

I came down with the swine flu and was utterly fooked for ten days. Other than a bout of flu in the id 80's that had me on deaths door, it was the worst flu I've ever suffered.

I've caught other flus that came on rapidly and went away just as rapidly, when others were felled by it. One case was a bad dose going around a few years back, when my live in girlfriend came down with it and naturally because of our closs proximity so did I. I felt dog rough, but on my feet for about three days, yet she was bedridden for a fortnight and had to get medical attention. Yes it is most certainly a far more serious illness than a head cold, but people can vary wildly around an average as far as severity of symptoms. Oddly enough my dad never caught the flu in his 80 odd years of life. Not once. Must have had a natural immunity to the strains he encountered.

Most people experienced the swine flu as a mild illness but let's not forget though that the swine flu vaccine left many Irish children with narcolepsy. It was rushed out and untested.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/state-fights-claims-by-children-with-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-34769146.html

Mr Boylan said the Irish expert group found a 14-fold increase in the incidence of narcolepsy among children vaccinated, compared to those who did not get the jab.

The untested vaccine was rushed out during global panic over the swine flu pandemic in the winter of 2009 and 2010.

The pandemic turned out to be much milder than feared but parents were strongly urged by senior medical officers in the Department of Health and public health experts to have children, who were a risk group for the virus, vaccinated.

Parents were not made aware of the fact that it was untested, he added.

At the time the vaccine was issued, GSK got the then government to grant the drugs giant indemnity from any potential compensation claims.

Mr Boylan said: "Other countries like Switzerland, America, Poland and Australia would not give a licence to the vaccine.

GSK made their money though and cannot be sued.

Compulsory vaccines for all??? No thanks.

sullivlo

Nettle Soup wrote: »

That would be a scary and idiotic move. Basically telling Big Pharma they don't need to test any new vaccines because the compulsory "trials" will do it for them.
Big Pharma already rush out vaccines without enough trials and testing (e.g. Swine flu swindle) because revenue trumps safety.

Lol. With that, I am out.

andekwarhola

andekwarhola wrote: »

Proof that fundamentally good ideas can sometimes originate from the most imbecilic of sources.

That said, I thought I heard on the radio (through a half sleep fog) that there's two strains around this winter with only one that the vaccine is effective against. Did I hear that wrong?

No, I had the vaccine and have another strain according to the swabs. It's not as bad as it could be but it's been pretty unpleasant.

Nettle Soup

sullivlo wrote: »

Lol. With that, I am out.

I did provide an actual example (GSK) but put the blinkers on if you prefer. My previous post makes it quite clear, the perils of compulsory vaccines.

endacl

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I did provide an actual example (GSK) but put the blinkers on if you prefer. My previous post makes it quite clear, the perils of compulsory vaccines.

Big pharma, dude. And the Stonecutters. I totally take you seriously!

corny

I don't get it. Why is the chap dismissed because he said 'big pharma'?

Nettle Soup

corny wrote: »

I don't get it. Why is the chap dismissed because he said 'big pharma'?

I don't get it either. Big Pharma stands for Big Pharmaceutical Companies right? I am going to presume they want to be ostriches.
I did explain how GSK rushed out a swine flu vaccine that was untested and then got indemnity from the government to any side effects i.e. narcolepsy.
There were no responses to that

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/state-fights-claims-by-children-with-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-34769146.html

Dakota Dan

cruizer101 wrote: »

This is another thing there is a lot of misunderstanding about, a lot of people equate a bit of a cold with a flu.
A proper flu will leave you feeling **** for days it not just a bit coughy and sniffly

You'll be in bed with stiff joints barely able to move.

jh79

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I don't get it either. Big Pharma stands for Big Pharmaceutical Companies right? I am going to presume they want to be ostriches.
I did explain how GSK rushed out a swine flu vaccine that was untested and then got indemnity from the government to any side effects i.e. narcolepsy.
There were no responses to that

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/state-fights-claims-by-children-with-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-34769146.html

According to google about 1 in 20,000 who were vaccinated with that specific vaccine developed narcolepsy. These people , based on current research, had a genetic predisposition to narcolepsy.

The numbers are tiny too I doubt this would of been caught in any pre approval studies anyways . Post approval studies are there for this very reason.

Nettle Soup

jh79 wrote: »

According to google about 1 in 20,000 who were vaccinated with that specific vaccine developed narcolepsy. These people , based on current research, had a genetic predisposition to narcolepsy.

The numbers are tiny too I doubt this would of been caught in any pre approval studies anyways . Post approval studies are there for this very reason.

Are you talking about Pandemrix?

Ms O'Connor said that the discovery process had revealed that the authority had data concerning the safety records of Pandemrix which is made in Dresden, Germany and a very similar vaccine also used to treat swine flu is made in Quebec, Canada called Arepanrix.

There are some differences in the manufacturing processes between Quebec and Dresden, Ms O'Connor said.

The safety records shows that the level of adverse effects in those administered Pandemrix ranged between 10 and 7 times higher than the Canadian made product.

One report from late 2009 states that of the tens of millions of vaccines administered there was a serious adverse effect rate of 75.9 per million for Pandemrix compared to 7.9 per million for Arepanrix.

Pandemrix was licensed by the Irish Medicines Board (now known as the Health Products Regulatory Authority) for distribution and administration in the Republic of Ireland. As part of its licensing obligation, and as Pandemrix was largely an untested adjuvanted product (made in Dresden), GSK was obliged to deliver details of all Adverse Events and Serious Adverse Events regarding its product Pandemrix, but also that of its sister vaccine Arepanrix, (manufactured in Quebec) and also its non-adjuvanted vaccine sold only to the U.S (the FDA refused to purchase any adjuvanted vaccine).

We now know that in compliance with its obligations, GSK began disclosing data to the HSE from the very beginning of the vaccination program as early as October 2009. By December 2009, GSK had delivered in-depth safety data concerning Serious Adverse Events arising from the Pandemrix vaccine (with multiples of Serious Adverse Events in contrast to its sister vaccine Arepanrix and its non-adjuvanted vaccine). Serious Adverse Events included convulsions, demylination (stripping of neurologic brain and spinal cord nerve covering), guillian-barre syndrome and spontaneous abortions.

Despite receiving data of these Serious Adverse Events, the HSE continued its vaccination of the healthy population. At no stage was the vaccination programme reviewed, adjusted or modified by the HSE or the Irish Medicines Board (in contrast to their UK counterparts).

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-suing-state-after-claims-she-got-narcolepsy-from-swine-flu-vaccine-36201319.html

jh79

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Are you talking about Pandemrix?





https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-suing-state-after-claims-she-got-narcolepsy-from-swine-flu-vaccine-36201319.html

The point i'm making is that the numbers are too small to be caught in the pre approval studies. We are aware of this adverse effect becuase of the larger size of the post approval studies.

kneemos

The flu vaccine is safer than two condoms and a rubber doll.

previous user

People on the dole get free vaccines.

Mrs OBumble

Grayson wrote: »

We were offered it free in work. I took it but about half the office didn't. I can't believe there are people who'd turn down a free flu vaccination. It's no guarantee but if it lessens the chances and it's free, the take it.

I used to work in a place like that, and thought the same way for years.

Then I noticed that on average I was sicker with cough and colds in the years when I took it.

I totally understand that the vaccine doesn't cause people to get the flu or other diseases, and that there's no medically-accepted (ie non-conspiracy theory) reason why I got sicker when I'd had it. And that the virus mutates so that it cannot protect against all the versions that are circulating. And I totally support it for life-changing diseases that can realistically be wiped out with vaccination eg polio etc. But I still don't take the flu vaccine any more.

I take it again if I was working in a place where I was front-line to the public, or maybe if I had risk factors which would make getting it worse (not just oldness).

But in the absence of that, I make a choice not to take it each year. And I think old people should be able to make the same choice.

previous user wrote: »

People on the dole get free vaccines.

They don't. Maybe people with medical cards do. But just the dole doesn't do it.

2forjoy

Last September I asked my GP for flu vaccine and he refused me. Said it was for over 65's.

2forjoy

2forjoy wrote: »

Last September I asked my GP for flu vaccine and he refused me. Said it was for over 65's.

He probably didn't have enough in stock for anyone other than the most at risk at that point. A few weeks later and you'd have been okay.

s7ryf3925pivug

My pregnant wife was hospitalised last week with her second dose of flu. She was vaccinated, but it's not perfect as people have mentioned.

Prescribed tamiflu, which is an antiviral that inhibits the virus growth. Secret medicine apparently that you only hear about when someone is actually at risk.

Everyone should be vaccinated. Antisocial not to, since you might infect vulnerable people, like babies.

ohnonotgmail

Dorothy Silly Fashion wrote: »

My pregnant wife was hospitalised last week with her second dose of flu. She was vaccinated, but it's not perfect as people have mentioned.

Prescribed tamiflu, which is an antiviral that inhibits the virus growth. Secret medicine apparently that you only hear about when someone is actually at risk.

Everyone should be vaccinated. Antisocial not to, since you might infect vulnerable people, like babies.

what is so secret about tamiflu??

iamwhoiam

Mc Cabes pharmacy are giving the vaccine now for €10 .

Joshua J

corny wrote: »

I don't get it. Why is the chap dismissed because he said 'big pharma'?

It's a term which was predominately used in CT circles and people have been conditioned to respond in incredulity at anything that is not mainstream and CT related.

s7ryf3925pivug

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is so secret about tamiflu??

Because you're told there's nothing a doctor can do for flu, just stay home and drink fluids yadda yadda yadda.

ohnonotgmail

Dorothy Silly Fashion wrote: »

Because you're told there's nothing a doctor can do for flu, just stay home and drink fluids yadda yadda yadda.

told by who exactly? perhaps you should seek medical advice from actual medical professionals. and for the most part that is the best advice and probably what a doctor will tell you. tamiflu doesnt reduce the symptoms of flu. and by flu i mean real flu not just cold. all it can do is reduce the period you are affected by it and, even then, it is only by a day or so.

Steve F

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Mc Cabes pharmacy are giving the vaccine now for €10 .

I know of Pharmacies that are giving it free