Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Buer

launish116 wrote: »

Being thumped by Munster maybe was the last straw.... wonder will we get a replacement to see out season?

It may well have been. I posted at the time that he made barely any effort in trying to chase back for one of the tries in the second half when he was in a position to be involved if the ball/carrier went to ground.

I haven't seen anything of him since and that was his only start this season. I'd guess both parties wanted out.

bilston

That's a bit out of the blue.

I'd rather promote from within to be honest than get a sticky plaster signing until the end of the season.

But here's a thought, Ulster have just two NIQs in the squad now and one of them is off in January.

Stout Warrior

troyzer wrote: »

Fair point. I was just pointing out that if anything I'd be inclined to say he was **** and I'm glad we're rid of him.

You can't catch a 79 minute restart if you're not on the pitch and it wasn't Beirne's fault he wasn't there.



As I just said, it's not really fair to compare international records as Beirne doesn't have any through no fault of his own.

I agree we need to see him in action before we judge him, within an Irish context anyway. He's already a better Pro14 player, he'd get ahead of him in an all Pro14 team.

Beirne is an average second row who is good at jackalling. I'm not sure he has the size the be a good international second row. Henderson is streets ahead of him.

Paul Smeenus

So two retirees in the pack already and we're a month and a half into the season.

Paul Smeenus

troyzer wrote: »

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Leinster fan thinks Leinster man is better player. Wants extra credit.

Henderson isn't in great form just at the minute, but he has put in some unbelievable performances at inernational level. We'll see what Beirne is capable of. Someone poster the drop goal that we won the France game with. Guess who caught our own restart, sprinting up after 79 minutes?

Fair point. I was just pointing out that if anything I'd be inclined to say he was **** and I'm glad we're rid of him.

You can't catch a 79 minute restart if you're not on the pitch and it wasn't Beirne's fault he wasn't there.

Former Former wrote: »

I suppose the question is, if he'd stayed at Leinster, would he be the player he is now? He left in 2016 with four senior appearances all from the bench and, let's be honest, none of us were that bothered about him leaving.

But is he more incredible than Henderson? Henderson has 40 caps for Ireland, three Six Nations medals and a Lions tour under his belt. Beirne has 25 minutes (at blindside flanker) off the bench in Australia, and he's a month older than Henderson.

It's great to have more options in the squad but we need to see Beirne in action before we judge him.

As I just said, it's not really fair to compare international records as Beirne doesn't have any through no fault of his own.

I agree we need to see him in action before we judge him, within an Irish context anyway. He's already a better Pro14 player, he'd get ahead of him in an all Pro14 team.

International records are VERY important when talking about Big Dev, of course...

Thermoman12

Stout Warrior wrote: »

Beirne is an average second row who is good at jackalling. I'm not sure he has the size the be a good international second row. Henderson is streets ahead of him.

No Henderson is not, beirne is really good at the breakdown and has a phenomenal workrate, size isn’t everything

troyzer

Stout Warrior wrote: »

Beirne is an average second row who is good at jackalling. I'm not sure he has the size the be a good international second row. Henderson is streets ahead of him.

Tadhg Beirne is the same height and slightly heavier than Paul O'Connell.

Can we dispell this myth that Beirne is undersized to play test rugby? He isn't.

Anyway, we'll see if I'm right come the world cup.

Wheeker

troyzer wrote: »

Tadhg Beirne is the same height and slightly heavier than Paul O'Connell.

Can we dispell this myth that Beirne is undersized to play test rugby? He isn't.

Anyway, we'll see if I'm right come the world cup.

:rolleyes: *sigh* Why is all this talk of Beirne in the Ulster Team Talk Thread anyway?
"Ireland Team Talk Thread IX" this way>>>>>>>> https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108439566#post108439566

launish116

Tbf is the sticky plaster was used to cover 2nd row/loosehewd od be satisfied. The squad is getting smaller and smaller month by month. Sad thing Deysel was great when in form and injury free. Makes you wonder is the toxicness still behind the scenes?

troyzer

Wheeker wrote: »

:rolleyes: *sigh* Why is all this talk of Beirne in the Ulster Team Talk Thread anyway?
"Ireland Team Talk Thread IX" this way>>>>>>>> https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108439566#post108439566

It came off the back off someone he was saying he's world class when he's definitely not.

Paul Smeenus

troyzer wrote: »

You can't catch a 79 minute restart if you're not on the pitch and it wasn't Beirne's fault he wasn't there.

It was a superb effort after 79 minutes on the pitch, requiring serious gas and skill.

I don't think I've ever seen this approach before of negating a crucial bit of play under "all or nothing" pressure by a player by saying "ah, but the player I'm comparing him to wasn't there, therefore it's irrelevant/not important/whatever".

It would have taken extraordinary effort and composure. I see no reason to just assume Beirne could have done it. Hendo did do it.

We'll see. It's a fantastic position to be in. But I'd be surprised if Beirne could do at international level what he can do in the Pro14. Very pleasantly so.

Paul Smeenus

Anyway, I'm Bored of Beirne now. Time for Hall/Dunleavy)Rea jnr to start featuring? Are any of them ready? Hall had one apoearance last season, seems to have disappeared.

troyzer

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

It was a superb effort after 79 minutes on the pitch, requiring serious gas and skill.

I don't think I've ever seen this approach before of negating a crucial bit of play under "all or nothing" pressure by a player by saying "ah, but the player I'm comparing him to wasn't there, therefore it's irrelevant/not important/whatever".

It would have taken extraordinary effort and composure. I see no reason to just assume Beirne could have done it. Hendo did do it.

We'll see. It's a fantastic position to be in. But I'd be surprised if Beirne could do at international level what he can do in the Pro14. Very pleasantly so.

Henderson did it because he's an astonishingly good player.

It's not his fault that Beirne is better.

Locke_Lamora

So we're not allowed to call Henderson world class anymore? 
*sighs* Ulster fans just aren't allowed to be happy anymore.

troyzer

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

So we're not allowed to call Henderson world class anymore? 
*sighs* Ulster fans just aren't allowed to be happy anymore.

Nope, not allowed.

So sayeth the spider.

Thermoman12

Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.

Paul Smeenus

Hendo. Beirne. What's important is that both are better than Ryan. And Toner, obviously.

troyzer

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Hendo. Beirne. What's important is that both are better than Ryan. And Toner, obviously.

Clegg

I don't think we can say Beirne is better than Henderson until he gets a consistent run at test level. Henderson is a proven performer at the highest level, Beirne is not.

Clegg

The real question is when are Ulster going to come grovelling for Max Deegan or Caelan Doris?

troyzer

Clegg wrote: »

The real question is when are Ulster going to come grovelling for Max Deegan or Caelan Doris?

Well going off previous form they'll ask for Deagan and then Deegan will go to Munster instead.

awec

We probably do need a replacement in fairness, I wouldn’t be averse to taking Deegan until May when we can hopefully get a more permanent replacement.

troyzer

awec wrote: »

We probably do need a replacement in fairness, I wouldn’t be averse to taking Deegan until May when we can hopefully get a more permanent replacement.

In season loans would be going too far.

Whatever about giving the other provinces players for the sake of the national game, loaning them out to get over a provincial hump is a different animal altogether.

Squidgy Black

troyzer wrote: »

In season loans would be going too far.

Whatever about giving the other provinces players for the sake of the national game, loaning them out to get over a provincial hump is a different animal altogether.

Why not? If anything I'd prefer to do it that way. Players who aren't getting gametime moving to another province on short term basis to get gametime. And we're more or less guaranteed them back in 3-6 months or whatever length it's done for.

Thermoman12

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Why not? If anything I'd prefer to do it that way. Players who aren't getting gametime moving to another province on short term basis to get gametime. And we're more or less guaranteed them back in 3-6 months or whatever length it's done for.

Very fair point, I agree

Deysel to La Rochelle confirmed...

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Why not? If anything I'd prefer to do it that way. Players who aren't getting gametime moving to another province on short term basis to get gametime. And we're more or less guaranteed them back in 3-6 months or whatever length it's done for.

Roux and Cooney were loans to Connacht originally

Squidgy Black

connemara man wrote: »

Roux and Cooney were loans to Connacht originally

Year long though, which is probably more time for a player to get embedded in a setup and probably contemplate their options more.

b.gud

troyzer wrote: »

In season loans would be going too far.

Whatever about giving the other provinces players for the sake of the national game, loaning them out to get over a provincial hump is a different animal altogether.

Cooney and Roux
both went on loan to Connacht during the season* and it worked out really well for both players.

Have you ever considered that a player like Deegan or Doris might be interested in a 1 season loan to help them develop as a player and improve their chances with breaking into the national squad?

*Cooney even went back to Leinster for 1 game when they were stuck at scrum half. If I recall correctly he ended up playing the same opposition 2 weeks in a row with different teams

troyzer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

connemara man wrote: »

Roux and Cooney were loans to Connacht originally

Year long though, which is probably more time for a player to get embedded in a setup and probably contemplate their options more.

Yeah, this is the difference.

As much as it physically hurts, Carbery won't come back. He'll be a Munster man.

Farming Deegan out multiple times a season would just completely undermine any sense of provincial identity and allegiance.