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Donnielighto

Beasty wrote: »

Do not throw about allegations specifying other users - you will see I have deleted that reference

The "self confession" to which you refer was made elsewhere and, I think, deleted/made private. Either way we are rarely in the position to confirm who a user may be on other sites. I personally worked with local mods over an extended period to build up a case against the user based on their posts here rather than allegations of activity elsewhere. That poster no longer has access to the forum

That's garbage, plenty of guys picked up cards for what the mods interpreted as trolling at the time while he flat out trolled and wasn't dealt with in any way a timely fashion.

It was a running joke amongst the soccer users for a massive length of time.

Boom_Bap

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

If you don't mind I have one.

A part of one of my post was deleted it was left in a quoted post straight after my post, I ask the mod on thread why was I not pm'd and the part deleted left in a quoted post, I never got a response from said mod.

Sure, can you point me in the direction of the post?

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Sure, can you point me in the direction of the post?

and maybe prove the existence of god at the same time :pac:

the sheriff is HERE

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Sure, can you point me in the direction of the post?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057832446/72

Page 72(I'm on mobile) looks like I posted whats there and the poster who quoted me has all the post there.

Page 74 has me asking the mod why no pm and why quoted is still there.

I didn't get sanctioned for asking the mod on thread which is a no no, so ye are listening to users and being fair in them terms.

I think a AH mod suggested a kind of boards bubby for new or users who wouldn't know this site that well, it was a good suggestion any more on it?

Boom_Bap

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057832446/72

Page 72(I'm on mobile) looks like I posted whats there and the poster who quoted me has all the post there.

Page 74 has me asking the mod why no pm and why quoted is still there.

I didn't get sanctioned for asking the mod on thread which is a no no, so ye are listening to users and being fair in them terms.

I think a AH mod suggested a kind of boards bubby for new or users who wouldn't know this site that well, it was a good suggestion any more on it?

OK, I found that, I can only assume that it was an oversight and it wasn't seen quoted in the next post. I've removed it now for consistency.

It was removed as it discussing the funeral arrangements of the victim of a shooting.

In relation to where you asked the mod about it, mods don't read every post. I was keeping an eye on that thread and I even missed it. The best thing to do in that case is PM the mod, or report the post so that it gets our attention rather than discussing on thread.

In looking up that thread I actually noted that there were a rake of posts deleted. Out of transparency, they were removed because they were essentially giving the names and addresses of people that posters thought were involved in crime.

the sheriff is HERE

Boom_Bap wrote: »

OK, I found that, I can only assume that it was an oversight and it wasn't seen quoted in the next post. I've removed it now for consistency.

No problem,it was just as an example.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It was removed as it discussing the funeral arrangements of the victim of a shooting.

I deliberately left out any details of victims family as I did with the murder of the guy at the side of the prison, that's is still there and I left out the names of his family too of my own accord.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

In relation to where you asked the mod about it, mods don't read every post. I was keeping an eye on that thread and I even missed it. The best thing to do in that case is PM the mod, or report the post so that it gets our attention rather than discussing on thread.

Noted and will be remembered for the future.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

In looking up that thread I actually noted that there were a rake of posts deleted. Out of transparency, they were removed because they were essentially giving the names and addresses of people that posters thought were involved in crime.

Can I ask who is telling boards.ie what's wrong and right in them threads a journal reporter or from other press sources?

I know boards airs on the side of caution but if the owners don't like them threads, why not say it.

** this isn't a dig at any mod or admin, I'm just curious.**

bucketybuck

Skylinehead wrote: »

You can claim reality to be whatever you want in the absence of evidence. I'm telling you, you're talking shit. Do you really think there's policy from up above saying to delete something we don't agree with? The only things the admins have ever told me to delete are rereg threads, illegal content, and open court cases.

The very least you can do is say what subject is being deleted, what viewpoints, but funnily enough you haven't even done that.

You are the one claiming mods don't delete posts when it suits them, I mean, who do you think you are fooling? Get in a tizzy about it all you want but the userbase isn't blind and it isn't stupid, and we all have seen multiple threads with multiple posts deleted.

And again you want examples of deleted posts, don't you realise how stupid that is? Of course, what you really want is to sidetrack the point into minutia about example A from thread B but sorry to say I have no interest in that.

So I say again, I don't care about your opinion on any of this and didn't request your input. A comment was made regarding boards not deleting its history, I simply responded to that comment with something that every user already knows.

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And then asking where they are gone? Which are also deleted quickly?

Really? Is that what you think?

Not sure I’m being clear. Maybe posters are deleting posts and then other posters are wondering where they’ve gone and are conjecturing that the mods are behind the deletions. I know sometimes I write posts and delete them after a few cos I can’t be arsed. But to another poster this could look as though a mod deleted it for whatever reason.

Skylinehead

bucketybuck wrote: »

You are the one claiming mods don't delete posts when it suits them, I mean, who do you think you are fooling? Get in a tizzy about it all you want but the userbase isn't blind and it isn't stupid, and we all have seen multiple threads with multiple posts deleted.

And again you want examples of deleted posts, don't you realise how stupid that is? Of course, what you really want is to sidetrack the point into minutia about example A from thread B but sorry to say I have no interest in that.

So I say again, I don't care about your opinion on any of this and didn't request your input. A comment was made regarding boards not deleting its history, I simply responded to that comment with something that every user already knows.

I asked for a subject. Can you not even do that? Surely you'd remember.

If you don't care for opinions, maybe you shouldn't be reading a thread about opinions on the state of boards.ie.

I can only speak for AH and Soccer, but we don't just delete posts because we don't like them. You have my word on that, for sure.

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Skylinehead

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Likely cause there is replies to reregs in existing threads. We could certainly do a better job communicating that.

Boom_Bap

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

Can I ask who is telling boards.ie what's wrong and right in them threads a journal reporter or from other press sources?

I know boards airs on the side of caution but if the owners don't like them threads, why not say it.

** this isn't a dig at any mod or admin, I'm just curious.**

I believe it's because of past legal action and trying to avoid it in future.

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But you said you seen it happen yesterday?
Even if you can remember the thread or subject of the thread where you have seen this happen, myself or the other mods may have some bells ringing and be able to go back and check it out.

As for A&P, I don't know much about the forum but I'm pretty sure there are more strict rules to follow than AH.
If you see posts being removed I suppose the best thing to do in any forum is the PM the mods.

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Boom_Bap

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Ok, understood.

So was it right that the posts of the banned poster where removed?

I know that we spoke by PM in the past about a post being deleted and we came to a common understanding about it, I can't comment on other mods though except that we have engaged in discussions in the AH mod thread in relation to PMs received.

But if you are not getting a response from a mod, the correct approach is to escalate to the forum CMod.

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Ken.

When we remove the troll posts we remove any that quote them as well. We hate doing it but in the past if we left them they just keep coming back.

As to pming mods. Scatter gun that b!tch. Send a pm that copies in all the mods of the forum ( I know that's a pain in AH,politics,few others that have a lot of mods). 1 mod can ignore you but 10 can't.

Beasty

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This is where forum feedback threads can hopefully iron out issues, and provide explanations if there is a particular stance taken

Having said that, unless it's a "nuked" re-reg troll spouting propaganda (which C+T has suffered from), it's easy enough to drop a note explaining posts have been deleted and why. That then informs other users where some of the boundaries lie. I personally think that's good manners, but will admit to posting stuff without explanation myself in the past. I think though that standards in this area have improved and hopefully will continue to do so on the back of current discussions here and in the mods forum.

If posters feel it's happening regularly in a forum, PM the mods and then CMods. After that start a thread in Help Desk where you are likely to get the attention of Admins.

The last thing we want is niggly things like this building up amongst users, and it's an area in which I think we still have some room for improvement

the sheriff is HERE

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I believe it's because of past legal action and trying to avoid it in future.

Oh juicy.

Can you expand on the legal threats or actions, was any legal threats from them kind of threads?

I've seen some legal threats in motors and the MCD sh!te.

Boom_Bap

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

Oh juicy.

Can you expand on the legal threats or actions, was any legal threats from them kind of threads?

I've seen some legal threats in motors and the MCD sh!te.

I've no juice I'm afraid.

This is the only Juice I have, on DVD

Beasty

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

Oh juicy.

Can you expand on the legal threats or actions, was any legal threats from them kind of threads?

I've seen some legal threats in motors and the MCD sh!te.

Just to remind everyone of where this part of the discussion started

Boom_Bap wrote: »

In looking up that thread I actually noted that there were a rake of posts deleted. Out of transparency, they were removed because they were essentially giving the names and addresses of people that posters thought were involved in crime.

So what we have here is someone accusing someone of criminal activity. That's ultimately for courts to decide, and people speculating here can be prejudicial to any court process. Not only that, but they leave themselves and possibly the site open to potential legal action. I'm sure everyone remembers that case of someone who got €20,000 compensation/damages when a shop employee accused someone who brought a bottle into the shop of shoplifting

Boom_Bap

You got the juice now Beasty

_Kaiser_

Omackeral wrote: »

That's all I was saying. I think AH has some good posters who happen to be mods of the forum too and that's not an issue at all nor should it be. I think though if a moderator is seen to be on one particular side (ie for or against a topic) then maybe they shouldn't be the one locking it. Even if it's a case that they refer it to another moderator in private. If it's the same person locking it that's been on thread pro or anti the issue, it's easy ammunition to give to people calling bias. It's just a conflict of interest issue more than anything, not necessarily saying there is bias involved.

I've said this in the Feedback thread, but I'll say it again here.

There's no issue with a Mod participating actively in a thread (it's a good thing!) HOWEVER where Mod actions are required it should, where possible, be referred to CMods or above (to avoid potential issues of fellow forum Mods feeling they have to "back up" their colleague).

Obviously this isn't always practical where immediate actions are required (illegality etc), but it should be the standard otherwise IMO

On the re-reg thread starters question.. If the thread is just setup for "Boards is shyte, the Mods suck" etc then obviously there's no value to it's existence - HOWEVER where the thread generates decent discussion it should ALWAYS be left continue. This is one instance where it's completely acceptable to play the Man (ie: ban the re-reg), not the ball from the Mod perspective

My 2c anyway

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I’ve had posts of mine removed that had been replying to a troll account and I’ve been both extremely in favour of what they were saying and arguing with them and being extremely at odds and arguing against them. A lot of the time I see my stuff was removed and I think ffs, but when I take a step back it is what is and it was probably en route to getting out of hand real quick.

I’ve had plenty of locked horns with Conn himself, but I will say I find him very fair and the first to put his hands up when he makes a mistake and is not behind the door in saying he messed up. In fact I’ve had one ah mod can’t remember which one pm me annoyed to tell me to cop on and stop stirring the pot. I replied and apologized and said fair enough I won’t do it again and the mod ended up saying he felt bad, we were both a bit hot headed and it resolved the issue.

I’ve got my own fair share of warnings infractions thread bans and bans from AH but have to say the moderation has improved tenfold and despite disagreements here and there the AH mod team should pat themselves on the back making AH a friendly and inclusive place to post again without the fear of being banned if you’re not left wing.

Ken.

Adalynn Quaint Fossil wrote: »

if you’re not left wing.

Thanks for the compliments.

I'll let you in on a little secret. I have absolutely no fücking idea what the difference is between left wing and right wing and even less of a desire to find out. In the last 3 elections I voted for the only candidate that called to my door.

So if you see me actioning a post it's because the post was uncivil or something else. Definitely not because it was left/right wing

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Conspectus wrote: »

Thanks for the compliments.

I'll let you in on a little secret. I have absolutely no fücking idea what the difference is between left wing and right wing and even less of a desire to find out. In the last 3 elections I voted for the only candidate that called to my door.

So if you see me actioning a post it's because the post was uncivil or something else. Definitely not because it was left/right wing

I agree. Which is why I’ve said moderation in this thread has improved tenfold with the team on deck. Don’t always see eye to eye with you (most of the time ) but you’re fair


On the forum not thread

KERSPLAT!

Conspectus wrote: »

Thanks for the compliments.

I'll let you in on a little secret. I have absolutely no fücking idea what the difference is between left wing and right wing and even less of a desire to find out. In the last 3 elections I voted for the only candidate that called to my door.

So if you see me actioning a post it's because the post was uncivil or something else. Definitely not because it was left/right wing

Not that it is the case with you but just because you don't know what it means doesn't mean you don't favour one over the other. Most mods IMO are left or left leaning.

Beasty

Whatever their true leanings, most people genuinely think they are somewhere in the middle

What exactly is a troll?