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Morning traffic build up on Aghards Rd, Celbridge

  • 13-12-2017 9:48am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭


    Anybody know what's going on with the increased traffic build up in the mornings on the Aghards Rd?

    Over the past few months, it's been getting worse - to the point where it's now regulary backed up from the lights at the junction of Gala/Maynooth, past Scoil Mochua & as far back as Oldtown Rd. If the weather is any way bad, it's virtually impassable between 8:10 to 9.

    I suspect the light sequence at Gala has changed. We've had problems with these lights in the past, but this is the worst it's been.

    I'll contact local councillors, but was wondering if anybody has any information about it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    It is December... in my experience of driving into town, December is just a disaster. I guess people that usually use the bus drive for various reasons.

    There was a recent sequence change on the Tesco lights, they had signs up about a month ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    I have to drive up the Maynooth road. I cant even get out of my estate most mornings if i don't leave before 8 am. Contact you Councillor by all means but its him/her and their like who have agreed to build a big estate right there too. Just to help with the traffic situation;).

    Seriously though its getting painful at that junction. Its taking the good out of living there for me. I shudder to think what the real locals think of it all. I am nearly 13 years living there and cant believe its got that bad.

    Nothing should surprise me with some of the people making decisions for us though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Ken Tucky wrote: »
    I have to drive up the Maynooth road. I cant even get out of my estate most mornings if i don't leave before 8 am. Contact you Councillor by all means but its him/her and their like who have agreed to build a big estate right there too. Just to help with the traffic situation;).

    Seriously though its getting painful at that junction. Its taking the good out of living there for me. I shudder to think what the real locals think of it all. I am nearly 13 years living there and cant believe its got that bad.

    Nothing should surprise me with some of the people making decisions for us though!

    Blame the locals that blocked the proposed new link road from the Apple Green roundabout to Aghards...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    I've been here longer than 13 years & it's never been this bad. That said, the population hasn't suddenly expanded in the past 4 months, so there's something specific causing the problem. I'm aware the light sequence has changed at Gala. The last time this happened, KCC monitored it over time & eventually adjusted the sequence so it improved the flow. That doesn't seem to be happening this time (hence my question).

    I think a link road makes perfect sense - however, the proposal was to run the link road through Oldtown Mill estate, creating a rat run in what is already a large estate with heavy traffic volumes and lots of young kids. That was just lazy (and potentially dangerous) planning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Blame the locals that blocked the proposed new link road from the Apple Green roundabout to Aghards...

    Never even heard about it!! Surely a new road structure would have been required to get permission for that new estate. Its bonkers


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭koheim


    ZV Yoda wrote: »

    I think a link road makes perfect sense - however, the proposal was to run the link road through Oldtown Mill estate, creating a rat run in what is already a large estate with heavy traffic volumes and lots of young kids. That was just lazy (and potentially dangerous) planning.

    I think you got that wrong. The Link road was/is planned for the back of Old Town Mill, joining up at Oldtown Road from the applegreen roundabout. The great thing is that, yes it would give Oldtown Mill estate a second exit/entry point at the back of the estate , and I can not see any negatives wit this. Traffic in Oldtown Mill would actually ease as there is no need to drive through the whole estate and wait 20 minutes to get out of it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    koheim wrote: »
    I think you got that wrong. The Link road was/is planned for the back of Old Town Mill, joining up at Oldtown Road from the applegreen roundabout. The great thing is that, yes it would give Oldtown Mill estate a second exit/entry point at the back of the estate , and I can not see any negatives wit this. Traffic in Oldtown Mill would actually ease as there is no need to drive through the whole estate and wait 20 minutes to get out of it...

    Check the plans. The negative is that it creates a potentially lethal rat-run through a residential estate containing lots of families with young kids. There is also a creche on that road. Traffic coming from the village could simply run straight through OTM & come out at Applegreen (and vice-versa). It would result in an even busier road running through OTM during rush hour - i.e. at the very time when creche kids / schoolkids are out in force travelling to / from school by foot / on bikes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    My understanding was it would join up here... not through the estate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭koheim


    mloc123 wrote: »
    My understanding was it would join up here... not through the estate?
    Yes, that is correct, but those living in the estate dont seem to understand this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    koheim wrote: »
    Yes, that is correct, but those living in the estate dont seem to understand this

    Maybe a picture will help. Attached is the original proposal. The link road (black circles) did not run along OTM. Instead it was closer to St Raphaels. As a result, you can see that opening up the back of OTM creates a rat run (the OTM spine road) by default. I coloured it in yellow.

    Those not living in the state don't seem to understand this. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭CCR


    I live in Oldtown Mill and thought that road was a great idea. Was at some meetings and most in the estate seemed against it. Don't think they thought about the benefits.

    Don't see how it would be a rat run if traffic calming in place on spine road. The link road would have joined with Oldtown Road and Shackleton Road so don't see how any benefit going through estate would be.

    Getting out of Oldtown Mill can take ages at rush hour and this would have been a big help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭CCR


    CCR wrote: »
    I live in Oldtown Mill and thought that road was a great idea. Was at some meetings and most in the estate seemed against it. Don't think they thought about the benefits.

    Don't see how it would be a rat run if traffic calming in place on spine road. The link road would have joined with Oldtown Road and Shackleton Road so don't see how any benefit going through estate would be.

    Getting out of Oldtown Mill can take ages at rush hour and this would have been a big help

    The green and blue routes would be far quicker that driving through an estate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    CCR wrote: »
    I live in Oldtown Mill and thought that road was a great idea. Was at some meetings and most in the estate seemed against it. Don't think they thought about the benefits.

    couldnt the residents just support the link road but oppose a new entrance to the Estate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭CCR


    Riskymove wrote: »
    couldnt the residents just support the link road but oppose a new entrance to the Estate?

    Another thing brought up at these meetings was that they didn't want more development behind estate either which was also removed from plan.

    Presume road would have been built as part of new development planning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    So is the link road going ahead through OTM or is it still being debated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    So is the link road going ahead through OTM or is it still being debated?

    No, not happening... not in the next 5 years of local planning anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    mloc123 wrote: »
    No, not happening... not in the next 5 years of local planning anyway


    Thanks for that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    reading about possible ring road/link road from apple green to clane road, by running at back of present housing estates, old town mill and others...i think it was in the plan for celbridge lap.....2017...2023...... from kcc, then it was out...........................and now things have changed again after recent court case re extra 400 houses close to crodaun forest estate on that side......

    with the over all plan suggesting strongly that celbridge will get a new 3000 houses or more, on both sides of bridge...........maynooth road which is badly congested presently, will only get worse...........
    so hopefully all residents associations and presons living in affected areas will put pressure on all tds and local councillors, and kcc planners in naas, to put back the ring road on maynooth side of celbridge, which hopefully will in time run over the liffey and keep going all the way up to railway station.....including new outer bridge, which will be big help to all residents of celbridge.

    new inner bridge also required, make present bridge go from 2 narrow lanes, to four lanes, with proper footpaths on both sides plus cycle lanes, buses would move better and somewhat quicker, and journey times to and from rail station should improve..............complicated?? not really if the planners want 3000 new houses we need real and proper infrastructure first.....not chaos and then playing catch up for following 30 years................//?? we have four tds in north kildare ,only ever hear from one of them re traffic...........the other three will turn up when votes are required.....any chance they might help out now.....regards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    ".and now things have changed again after recent court case re extra 400 houses close to crodaun forest estate on that side".....

    Sorry, what was the court case about. Did they get the go ahead for these houses?

    I have never seen it so bad as it is lately, when the new estate is up and running beside Aldi its going to be even worse. Please tell me they are not building more houses along the Maynooth road!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    sorry ken, more traffic bad news, the site next door to crodaun forest park, on that side has just being allowed build up to 400 houses........not forty but 400....

    brief history............land used to be zoned industrial/commercial, then crash came , then nama stepped in, and then nama stepped out........10 years in between...........
    kildare county council said yes to building on this site under lap, local area plan,2017 to 2023..............junior minister english stepped in and said no thanks, not on this site, we will build out from the town and services......in other words there are other sites we can build on first....we will leave that site for open space and a park......................

    owners went to high court in recent weeks and months, and got minister damien englishs opinion changed............so more houses on maynooth road,,,,, as you probably know, there will be houses on opposite side of road as well......numbers i am not sure, safe to guess another 400 or more.............

    can galway road cope?? can slip ways cope every morning and evening?? can old maynooth road down in to village cope?? will students be able to get in and out of schools?? have primary and secondary schools got capacity for hundreds of extra students?? houses are needed and welcome, but 3000 new houses in one small town that is groaning under congestion for last 15 years......congrats planners, think you done it again.................time for people to rise up and say, stall the ball there charlie.........good infrastructure first, then slowly introduce houses..but maybe not 3000...............................


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    Cheers Paddy,

    Amazing stuff really. We will be told that we need to build new houses. Yeah sure, like the ones that are being sold for half a million...we need loads of them. Pure filthy greed.

    They will be built, too much money involved for the skimmers off the top. And the whole damn thing starts again. Out with the old, in with the new....they are all the same.

    Cant do the commute much longer. Its heart breaking getting out of the Dublin congestion to have to spend another half an hour trying to get into Celbridge. The line of cars is shameful but according to one of the TD's its not too bad because he checked it out. I think it was Sunday when he was out and about doing his research!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Ken Tucky wrote: »
    Cant do the commute much longer. Its heart breaking getting out of the Dublin congestion to have to spend another half an hour trying to get into Celbridge. The line of cars is shameful

    Devils advocate... you are not stuck in traffic, you are part of it. There are plenty of commuting options into town with buses, trains, bicycle etc..

    The issue as I see it is that people are driving when there is no need to. The amount of people I see driving kids to school in the mornings, the schools are limited to catchment areas so any child in the school should be within walking/cycling distance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Devils advocate... you are not stuck in traffic, you are part of it. There are plenty of commuting options into town with buses, trains, bicycle etc..

    The issue as I see it is that people are driving when there is no need to. The amount of people I see driving kids to school in the mornings, the schools are limited to catchment areas so any child in the school should be within walking/cycling distance.

    I agree, but for me to get to work(where im from) i would have to bus to Heuston and then get a Luas. When i do the journey on a Saturday it takes me less that 25 mins. During rush hour its 1 hour in and over 1 hour home once nobody decides to crash into something that is moving in the same direction.

    So i disagree about commuting options. You seem to think we have a good public transport system.:D

    Maybe if i wasnt priced out of buying a house where im from i could have bought there. My story is the same for hundreds of thousands of people.
    We are not the fault of greed and bad planning-we are the result of it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Ken Tucky wrote: »
    I agree, but for me to get to work(where im from) i would have to bus to Heuston and then get a Luas. When i do the journey on a Saturday it takes me less that 25 mins. During rush hour its 1 hour in and over 1 hour home once nobody decides to crash into something that is moving in the same direction.

    So i disagree about commuting options. You seem to think we have a good public transport system.:D

    Maybe if i wasnt priced out of buying a house where im from i could have bought there. My story is the same for hundreds of thousands of people.
    We are not the fault of greed and bad planning-we are the result of it!!

    I think Celbridge in general has good commuting options.

    -Two train lines within 2-3 miles
    -Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann with dedicated bus lanes from the N4 in to town.
    -Less than 20km to O'Connell street with bike lanes all along the N4 (or a separated bike lane all along the grand canal from Lucan) means you could cycle in 45mins etc..

    What other options would you want?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I think Celbridge in general has good commuting options.

    -Two train lines within 2-3 miles
    -Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann with dedicated bus lanes from the N4 in to town.
    -Less than 20km to O'Connell street with bike lanes all along the N4 (or a separated bike lane all along the grand canal from Lucan) means you could cycle in 45mins etc..

    What other options would you want?

    Well due to the fact i was discussing my commute, i would like a public transport service to go where i need it. And that isnt into town, or within miles of a train station.

    It would take me over an hour & to cycle in and more on the way back. Thats not viable.

    Look its not about me, as i said there is thousands like me that have no way they can use public transport due to location. The fact is, Celbridge is a mess already. 400 new houses might bring 500 + cars onto the road. From what i read above nobody making these decisions gives a feck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    agree public transport is improving slowly............very slowly......got 67 bus last saturday from salesians college, heading into dublin.................30 minutes to get from maynooth road to graveyard, and from there it was all good, just another 30 minutes into dublin city centre........i am not a genius but 30 minutes to get from one side of celbridge to the other side is crazy............and i am not pointing the finger at any of present tds or councillors... my beef is with the people who allowed celbridge and maynooth and confey grow and grow without putting in wider bridges, extra bridges, more public parks, better footpaths, decent cycle lanes, ring roads, permanent schools properly built in good locations..
    we need to be very careful before extra 3000 new houses come to celbridge???..........local elections this time next year, could be our first real chance to let them know ,what we all seem to want.......love to love to see more public car parks close to main st......what genius allowed castletown house to have lovely walk in entrance from main st?? but no public car park, we are all forced to park outside beautiful private houses in castletown estate and /or do lap of north kildare to get in to official and fine car park to rear of house?? castletown is super amenity but needs help in terms of parking, close to bus route and main st............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Ken Tucky wrote: »
    Well due to the fact i was discussing my commute, i would like a public transport service to go where i need it. And that isnt into town, or within miles of a train station.

    It would take me over an hour & to cycle in and more on the way back. Thats not viable.

    Look its not about me, as i said there is thousands like me that have no way they can use public transport due to location. The fact is, Celbridge is a mess already. 400 new houses might bring 500 + cars onto the road. From what i read above nobody making these decisions gives a feck.

    Assuming all those people drive in to town right... and don't use other transport?
    My point is that we have good commuting options to town, maybe they don't suit you but I suspect they work for 80% of people that work in the city.

    The main issue with traffic in and out of the village is at two set times a day... 8-8.45am and around 4.30-5.30pm and this is almost all down to school traffic. People stopping at the side of the road dropping kids and blocking traffic pisses me off no end.

    Main street on Saturday from 11-1 is also a mess, I assume this is mostly kids being dropped to football, dance classes etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Ken Tucky wrote: »
    I agree, but for me to get to work(where im from) i would have to bus to Heuston and then get a Luas.

    there are now trains to GCD also as well as heuston


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Dub_Jim_Royle


    Link road will not alleviate any traffic problem, it will just move it further up the road. The M4 is already impossible to access.
    The link road would also open up the lands on either side of it for thousands more houses, and what would that do to the traffic over this side of Celbridge?
    The other side of the bridge has all the public amenities, sports clubs, train station and with improvements could have excellent access to the N7 as well the N4.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    celbridge needs numerous link roads, simply does not make sense that we just about have the same roads as we had 25 years ago..........population is now over 22,000 and set to rise to 35,000 or more in short few years.

    we must plan for improvements to all infrastructure now, we must not wait to chaos first and then play catch up.

    trim has four bridges and 7000 population...........most modern towns now have ring roads, and semi by pass routes, all help cars, buses, cyclists, trades people get about their daily lives in a degree of comfort.

    big population demands bigger access points and exits points for all young and old.........or else dont build another 3000 new houses on both sides of the town??......proper planning demands proper structures be put in place first....................we have the land, we are close to dublin city, the demand is there, people need new houses, we just must plan properly............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭JDigweed


    Celbridge is a town of NIMBYS, with a reluctance for change.
    The bridge over the Liffey at the Castletown Gates should have been built years ago along with another bridge further up the Liffey on the Clane side.
    Sometimes you have to upset a few people for the greater good of the town i .e New Town centre in Donaghcumper.
    An outer ring road is essential and must be built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭daheff


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The amount of people I see driving kids to school in the mornings, the schools are limited to catchment areas so any child in the school should be within walking/cycling distance.

    This comment really gets my goat.

    Maybe get off your high horse for a moment and think why they are doing this. Most likely is that parents are dropping the kids off and then rushing off to work themselves, so they don't have time to walk the kids to school...even if its a 10 min walk.

    The parents I see walking to school are generally those that are not in a rush to get to work (either stay at home or shift etc). Those that drive are generally (though not all) that have to get to work afterwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭daheff


    ....love to love to see more public car parks close to main st......what genius allowed castletown house to have lovely walk in entrance from main st?? .
    Thats been the historic entrance for the past 200+ years. The gates are protected structures
    JDigweed wrote: »
    Celbridge is a town of NIMBYS, with a reluctance for change.
    The bridge over the Liffey at the Castletown Gates should have been built years ago along with another bridge further up the Liffey on the Clane side.
    Sometimes you have to upset a few people for the greater good of the town i .e New Town centre in Donaghcumper.
    An outer ring road is essential and must be built.

    I think the new town centre in Donaghcumper would have been great. I understand the objections re visibility from Castletown, but thats already spoiled by being able to see SuperValue. Done right, it might actually look good.

    New bridge is a major problem. If you put one near Castletown gates you then have issues with the protected buildings there/steep slip road. Its doable, but might be a mess. Another road is then required to join the Dublin road somewhere up near Supervalue (which junction is already a bit of a mess)

    For the bridge near clane road, the plan is to run this through 3 housing estates (Hazelhatch pk, Calendars Mill) which are not properly designed to take this volume of traffic -despite the planning. The bigger issue is then diverting a heavy traffic load through this, which joins up at the Hazelhatch road. This is already a busy road and would lead to heavy congestion of cars at the entrance (just go past on a wet school morning to get an idea).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    agree, no way show ring road, go through existing, or into new proposed housing areas, that is madness and dangerous and shows a lack of joined up thinking...........ring road should be exactly that, a ring road, around the town, but maybe few link roundabouts to slow down the racing motors, and to let some estates join the ring road..............

    the only developments, i would allow on the ring road, would be a fire station and an ambulance station ,again for obvious reasons, quick access to all celbridge roads and housing estates in case of fire and other problems.................

    celbridge is fast becoming a horrible traffic jam area..........from 7.30am to 9.30.........and from 3pm to 4.30pm...............and again from 5pm to 7.30pm....................

    funerals and weddings, and special events all add to the traffic problems.......we do need help and relief, there are many studies completed, and now we need some decent action before massive build begins..............on all sides of the town.......see local area plan in library.....lap........and yes there are many opinions and we must listen to them all, give them all due respect, but sitting back and doing nothing is not an option now........................we need kildare county council to take the lead, they are the body who gace all the old estates full planning permission....and we were all glad for that, but now they must tackle the growth and put in improvements before they grant f.p.p. for new 3000 houses over next five years..................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    daheff wrote: »
    This comment really gets my goat.

    Maybe get off your high horse for a moment and think why they are doing this. Most likely is that parents are dropping the kids off and then rushing off to work themselves, so they don't have time to walk the kids to school...even if its a 10 min walk.

    The parents I see walking to school are generally those that are not in a rush to get to work (either stay at home or shift etc). Those that drive are generally (though not all) that have to get to work afterwards.

    Secondary school pupils should not have to depend on their parents to get them to and from school unless they are living outside Celbridge and not on a bus route.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    exams around corner, parents like to get students close to school to ease pressure and tension.......so june is special month, however take your point, during rest of the year, 800m walk should be no problem to young and healthy boys and girls......in morning and again in afternoon................

    some roundabouts would help flows in celbridge......would like to see one near celbridge house pub, where aghards road meets maynooth road, would be big big help.........and another spot that would benefit is where hazelhatch park meets hatch road/newcastle road, very dangerous coming out from residential area on to hatch road in the mornings..........kcc might take a look???? local councillors might take it up with super planners in naas...............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Just wondered what DB or other visible and advertised connections there are to Hazelhatch Station.

    Celbridge has this quick route in and out, but there doesn't seem to be any connections to the station?

    What an advantage it is to have this station close to the town. But seems to me unless you drive or cycle to it, there is no other way to get there!

    I heard about a shuttle bus, but nothing is coming up online about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    ring birchells transport......celbridge/ardclough............they should know details or will give u phone number to get details.............or ring any local councillors.........................they should be able to help you...............................................james coaches ...............................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    ring birchells transport......celbridge/ardclough............they should know details or will give u phone number to get details.............or ring any local councillors.........................they should be able to help you...............................................james coaches ...............................

    Thanks, but my issue is that nothing is visible and available easily is it?

    Seems to be hidden somewhere and not for the masses.

    Certainly nothing online that I can see. I pity newcomers to the town, this should be a regular ten or fifteen minute service at morning and evening rush hours. But no information is readily available except to those in the know!

    That is not right with such a great connection available a few minutes away from the Main Street. A shuttle would get the cars off the roads surely!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭The Mulk


    Thanks, but my issue is that nothing is visible and available easily is it?

    Seems to be hidden somewhere and not for the masses.

    Certainly nothing online that I can see. I pity newcomers to the town, this should be a regular ten or fifteen minute service at morning and evening rush hours. But no information is readily available except to those in the know!

    That is not right with such a great connection available a few minutes away from the Main Street. A shuttle would get the cars off the roads surely!

    If you search for the full PDF Hazelhatch time table on the Irish Rail website it gives you the full listing and what services the shuttles operates on.
    Same for Sallins


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭paddythe goat


    think thats why...........they call it the mystery bus????............agree should be bright colour, highly visible, and should have time table clearly posted on all bus stops in the town...........common sense????


    times running tro town to the station...................and times coming from the station down the town, would be big big help to all customers.....................


    traffic might reduce a little if this was the case>>?? any councillors interested??............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    Joe Public wrote: »
    Secondary school pupils should not have to depend on their parents to get them to and from school unless they are living outside Celbridge and not on a bus route.

    There's any number of reasons why parents need (or want) to drop their kids to school
    exams around corner, parents like to get students close to school to ease pressure and tension.......so june is special month, however take your point, during rest of the year, 800m walk should be no problem to young and healthy boys and girls......in morning and again in afternoon................

    I'm all for walking / cycling... although if you look at the location of the secondary schools, a large % of the catchment homes are a lot further than 800m from the schools. St Woolstans and Salesians are both 2km from the village.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    ZV Yoda wrote: »
    There's any number of reasons why parents need (or want) to drop their kids to school



    I'm all for walking / cycling... although if you look at the location of the secondary schools, a large % of the catchment homes are a lot further than 800m from the schools. St Woolstans and Salesians are both 2km from the village.

    How long will it take a teenager to walk 2km to school?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    mloc123 wrote: »
    How long will it take a teenager to walk 2km to school?

    How long is a piece of string?

    I wasn't suggesting kids shouldn't walk. Quite the opposite - like I already said, I'm all in favour of them walking or cycling.

    Some people seem to think parents drop their kids to school simply because they don't want their precious little Johnny or Mary to walk to school. Maybe some do, but I'd guess they are in the minority. There are lots of reasons why a parent might drop their kids to school.

    Often, both parents are working. Many of them have flexible start times specifically to ensure they don't have to leave for work early in the morning while the kids are left home alone (especially important if there are younger kids in the family). So, they drop the kids to creche / school / minders on the commute to work. Things get even more complicated with multiple kids in 2 or 3 different schools / creches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭daheff


    Joe Public wrote: »
    Secondary school pupils should not have to depend on their parents to get them to and from school unless they are living outside Celbridge and not on a bus route.

    this thread is about morning traffic at Aghards....a primary school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭daheff


    mloc123 wrote: »
    How long will it take a teenager to walk 2km to school?

    probably a couple of hours knowing teenagers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    daheff wrote: »
    this thread is about morning traffic at Aghards....a primary school.


    It's also on route to CCS, The Salesians and St. Wolstans depending on what direction pupils are coming from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Joe Public wrote: »
    It's also on route to CCS, The Salesians and St. Wolstans depending on what direction pupils are coming from.

    Every morning and afternoon I see parents parking in the slip roads on the Clane/Aghards road dropping/waiting to pick up teenagers from Wolstans. Just stop with the hazzrds on.. don't worry about the cars you are blocking.. "I'll only be a minute or two"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭daheff


    Joe Public wrote: »
    It's also on route to CCS, The Salesians and St. Wolstans depending on what direction pupils are coming from.

    Thats stretching it a bit. You could also say the Lucan road is too...


    In any case you know people are talking about Aghards on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    daheff wrote: »
    Thats stretching it a bit. You could also say the Lucan road is too...


    In any case you know people are talking about Aghards on this thread.

    Ah, to be fair, while my original OP was about the lights at Aghards, there's a lot of other factors contributing to the traffic problems in Celbridge.
    • Celbridge is a commuter town... so lots of people commute!
    • The road infrastructure is woefully indaequate, so traffic crawls out of the various estates onto the same few roads leading out of Celbridge
    • The population of Celbridge is spread out on both sides of the village... and the only way to get from one side to the other is via bridge that was designed for horse & carts
    • Celbridge has lots of families with young kids that need to be dropped to school / creche / afterschool activities etc
    • All of the primary & secondary schools contribute to the gridlock within the same 30-40 minute period every morning / evening.
    • The public transport network to / from Dublin city centre may be OK, but options are limited if commuting to other suburbs... so people are more likely to drive
    • The train station is over 2km from the main st... meaning most people need to drive / use public transport to get there. If you live on the the Aghards side of Celbridge, that means travelling through the village at rush hour to get to the train station!
    • For 3rd level students cycling to Maynooth... the majority of that route has excellent cycle paths, but also some very dangerous road sections (e.g. the back road from the Ray Crofton flyover toward Maynooth - it's treacherous for cyclists in winter)

    I'm sure there are lots of other reasons I haven't thought of, but things could be improved with a combination of staggered school times, better roads (including a ring road to the M4 & a second bridge over the Liffey), better inter-suburb public transport, and more comprehensive cycle paths


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