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    #62
    A Little Pony
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    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Yeah, but you'd also have to change the education system in the south to drop the fetish-like idea of compulsory Irish.

    ok, that is a different issue. I was taught Irish at school, and it was purely about the language... no politics, no negative slant towards people of a different background, race, religion... it was just Gaelige. Not everyone's favorite subject by the way.

    What I meant was to have some sort of education program that would promote integration of people from a Unionist background, and people from a Nationalist background. For example, the adventures of Seamus, Sammy, Heather and Aoife... and Timothy the dog, chapter 1. Five go off to Dublin.
    You have Unionists learning the language from places like East Belfast, the fact you have lessons of the Irish language on the Shankill is extraordinary but this gets lost with some. It's steady progress for Unionist people, we most certainly do not hate all things Irish as portrayed.


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    #63
    donegaLroad
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    You have Unionists learning the language from places like East Belfast, the fact you have lessons of the Irish language on the Shankill is extraordinary but this gets lost with some. It's steady progress for Unionist people, we most certainly do not hate all things Irish as portrayed.

    If hatred of all things Irish by Unionist people was sensed in what I posted, then I apologise.. it is not what I meant. I have friends from a Unionist background, I was brought up in a multi denominational area. We all get along well and have done so for years.
    Most people in the south do Irish exams as a means to an end. You need to pass Irish exams to be able to apply for Irish for most Civil service jobs.


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    #64
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Yeah, but you'd also have to change the education system in the south to drop the fetish-like idea of compulsory Irish.

    ok, that is a different issue. I was taught Irish at school, and it was purely about the language... no politics, no negative slant towards people of a different background, race, religion... it was just Gaelige. Not everyone's favorite subject by the way.

    What I meant was to have some sort of education program that would promote integration of people from a Unionist background, and people from a Nationalist background. For example, the adventures of Seamus, Sammy, Heather and Aoife... and Timothy the dog, chapter 1. Five go off to Dublin.

    That wasn't my point: my point was that i can't see the bulk of Unionists in favour of being forced to learn the Irish language purely for exam result enhancements and certain jobs the way it is here.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #65
    donegaLroad
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    That wasn't my point: my point was that i can't see the bulk of Unionists in favour of being forced to learn the Irish language purely for exam result enhancements and certain jobs the way it is here.

    I completely agree, that would be stupid. A language should be something that you learn out of necessity or interest... And by necessity I don't mean requiring a certain language to apply for a government job.


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    #66
    topper75
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    I say I met a chap on Sackville Street the other day and he was enquiring how many of the King's statute miles it was from Maryborough to Kingstown.


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    ohnonotgmail
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    topper75 wrote: »
    I say I met a chap on Sackville Street the other day and he was enquiring how many of the King's statute miles it was from Maryborough to Kingstown.

    the rest of it i get but where is (or was) maryborough?


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the rest of it i get but where is (or was) maryborough?

    Portlaoise.


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    #69
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    That wasn't my point: my point was that i can't see the bulk of Unionists in favour of being forced to learn the Irish language purely for exam result enhancements and certain jobs the way it is here.

    I completely agree, that would be stupid. A language should be something that you learn out of necessity or interest... And by necessity I don't mean requiring a certain language to apply for a government job.
    Well yes - of course - but after nearly 100 years that's not happening.

    But that's not my point: my point is why would unionists accept this - as it is NOW and most likely will be for some time to come - as part of a united Ireland?

    Answer - they wouldn't. Not a chance in hell.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #70
    donegaLroad
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Well yes - of course - but after nearly 100 years that's not happening.

    But that's not my point: my point is why would unionists accept this - as it is NOW and most likely will be for some time to come - as part of a united Ireland?

    Answer - they wouldn't. Not a chance in hell.

    you probably know more about this than me, I didn't realize that Unionists would have to accept this as part of a UI.. it never occurred to me, and of course I can see why they wouldn't accept it.


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    #71
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Well yes - of course - but after nearly 100 years that's not happening.

    But that's not my point: my point is why would unionists accept this - as it is NOW and most likely will be for some time to come - as part of a united Ireland?

    Answer - they wouldn't. Not a chance in hell.

    you probably know more about this than me, I didn't realize that Unionists would have to accept this as part of a UI.. it never occurred to me, and of course I can see why they wouldn't accept it.

    Fair point, hadn't considered that. I wonder would that set a tricky precedent?

    Anyway, the original comment made on the first page was "Change the education system in the north to promote integration and harmony", and I'm just pointing out that a united education plan would have other points to consider.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #72
    Rodin
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    A United Ireland is an inevitability


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    #73
    donegaLroad
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Fair point, hadn't considered that. I wonder would that set a tricky precedent?

    Anyway, the original comment made on the first page was "Change the education system in the north to promote integration and harmony", and I'm just pointing out that a united education plan would have other points to consider.

    There are schools all over Ireland now, you have probably heard of them, called Educate Together primary schools.. indeed they probably exist in the North. The idea is that they are multi denominational and offer equal access to children of all backgrounds, culture, religion.

    There is one particular primary school in Ennis, County Clare and there are 26 languages spoken in that school, not as part of the curriculum of course. This is an exceptional example, but in most schools across Ireland now there is a huge diversity of nationalities and cultures, so the Educate Together school system provides an alternative for parents who want to send their children to secular schools.

    This also offers children an enriching experience, and an exposure to a variety of customs and cultures that they would not experience in traditional state non-secular primary schools.

    *I sound a bit patronising here.. not intentional*


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    A Little Pony
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Yeah, but you'd also have to change the education system in the south to drop the fetish-like idea of compulsory Irish.

    ok, that is a different issue. I was taught Irish at school, and it was purely about the language... no politics, no negative slant towards people of a different background, race, religion... it was just Gaelige. Not everyone's favorite subject by the way.

    What I meant was to have some sort of education program that would promote integration of people from a Unionist background, and people from a Nationalist background. For example, the adventures of Seamus, Sammy, Heather and Aoife... and Timothy the dog, chapter 1. Five go off to Dublin.

    That wasn't my point: my point was that i can't see the bulk of Unionists in favour of being forced to learn the Irish language purely for exam result enhancements and certain jobs the way it is here.
    That isn't going to happen. Anyone who is learning the language is fully entitled to do so and are doing so. No one is stopping people learning the language. I could go and start learning it tomorrow if I wanted to in a few places.


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    #75
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    Rodin wrote: »
    A United Ireland is an inevitability

    Inevitable a few decades later. Pushing to unify the country now without first solving the economic/cultural/political problems would be a disaster of epic proportions for this whole island.


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    #76
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That isn't going to happen. Anyone who is learning the language is fully entitled to do so and are doing so. No one is stopping people learning the language. I could go and start learning it tomorrow if I wanted to in a few places.

    Again, not relevant to the point I was making

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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