Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

As its preseason etc, here is a sweet BAR from 1998 in a testing livery.

Its an absolute beat.

That livery was nice, they should have kept it.

The dual Lucky Strike/555 branding was rubbish.

On separate cars, as they wanted to run it, looked fine, but the FIA wouldn't allow it.

Frank Bullitt

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That livery was nice, they should have kept it.

The dual Lucky Strike/555 branding was rubbish.

On separate cars, as they wanted to run it, looked fine, but the FIA wouldn't allow it.

You're right, individually they looked nice.

Frank Bullitt

Seems like they ran this livery twice. Here you can see the Honda badges on the car and helmet. They switched to Honda after they used the Supertec ones in 1999, so I would guess this was pre-season 2000.

Sorry, I love little details like this.

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

Seems like they ran this livery twice. Here you can see the Honda badges on the car and helmet. They switched to Honda after they used the Supertec ones in 1999, so I would guess this was pre-season 2000.

Sorry, I love little details like this.

I'll always remember either Craig Pollock or Adrian Reynard saying that they would win a race in their first season, yet didn't score a point.

Villeneuve retired from the first 11 races and Zonta broke a bone in his foot in Brazil.

When Mika Salo stood in, he scored the team's best result that year, 7th in Monaco.

The above photo was probably the 1999 spec car with a Honda engine in the off season perhaps?

The supertec engine being a rebadged 2 year old Renault wasn't it?

You'd be like myself with the small detail.

Best car from around that era was the 2000-2002 Arrows with Orange as title sponsor.

Frank Bullitt

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I'll always remember either Craig Pollock or Adrian Reynard saying that they would win a race in their first season, yet didn't score a point.

Villeneuve retired from the first 11 races and Zonta broke a bone in his foot in Brazil.

When Mika Salo stood in, he scored the team's best result that year, 7th in Monaco.

The above photo was probably the 1999 spec car with a Honda engine in the off season perhaps?

The supertec engine being a rebadged 2 year old Renault wasn't it?

You'd be like myself with the small detail.

Best car from around that era was the 2000-2002 Arrows with Orange as title sponsor.

And that Arrows had a solid chassis, they would usually do well around Monaco and that was a track where the engine wasn't really a big factor.

You might be right with the 1999 car with a Honda bolted in. The Supertec engine was a joke of a thing, I would love to know how many of them they blew up that year.

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

And that Arrows had a solid chassis, they would usually do well around Monaco and that was a track where the engine wasn't really a big factor.

You might be right with the 1999 car with a Honda bolted in. The Supertec engine was a joke of a thing, I would love to know how many of them they blew up that year.

I wonder did DC maintain his friendship with Enrique Bernoldi after Monaco 2001 :pac:

Arrows built far better cars than the likes of Minardi, Hungary 1997 anyone?

At least back then the sport was a bit unpredictable with unexpected engine blows, Irvine at Imola 1999, Schumacher France 2000, Hakkinen at Indianapolis 2001.

Not the farce we have today with reliability being too good.

Flavio Briatore didn't care how many engines blew up, he was still pocketing a fortune.

There was one race in 1998, can't remember the exact one, Frentzen's Suptertec had a massive blow up, it was on par with Fisichella's Honda blow up in Belgium 2002.

Vic_08

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I wonder did DC maintain his friendship with Enrique Bernoldi after Monaco 2001 :pac:

Arrows built far better cars than the likes of Minardi, Hungary 1997 anyone?

At least back then the sport was a bit unpredictable with unexpected engine blows, Irvine at Imola 1999, Schumacher France 2000, Hakkinen at Indianapolis 2001.

Not the farce we have today with reliability being too good.

You should apply for a job with the Honda PR department.

boardsuser1

Vic_08 wrote: »

You should apply for a job with the Honda PR department.

Apologies, i should have excluded Honda from that bit :cool:

The last known Irish man to successfully work in F1 for a Japanese outfit was Richard Cregan, anyone remember him?

Peter Collins of RTE was obsessed with the guy.

Robbo

On BAR, it's mad that less than 20 years ago a publicly traded tobacco company decided to basically buy an F1 team for marketing purposes.

For background, the banning of tobacco advertising in the EU started in 1991 and the end of sponsorship was flagged well in advance of the 2003 Directive coming to pass after a long gestation. One can only imagine Bernie made all kinds of representations.

In other EU Law related news, Sauber and Force India have withdrawn their complaints to the European Commission regarding anti-competitive agreements. Whether or not the Commission see that as the end of things may well be another story but I don't cases of this nature are on their current agenda.

flexcon

Anyone here heading over to the testing in Barcelona? Heading over for the second week.

I've been there last year and was honestly the best experience to get up close to the cars with no crowds.

Harika

Benson about TV rights worldwide http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42816877

There is a TV streaming platform for F1 prepared, but unlikely to be available for UK until 2024, when the Sky contract ends.

flazio

And Sky will make sure Ireland will be covered by any rights deals they have for the UK from next year on.
I'm sure you'll all be doing your magic "my computer is not in Ireland" tricks to bypass all that.
Last I heard about the former Toyota F1 chief executive Cregan, he was running the F1 tracks in the middle east.

boardsuser1

flazio wrote: »

Last I heard about the former Toyota F1 chief executive Cregan, he was running the F1 tracks in the middle east.

Abu Dhabi I think.

Schorpio

Interesting audience numbers given there from Benson -

....in the last year of the BBC coverage in 2015 was 3.1m. Channel 4's was 1.9m last year. Sky's in 2017 was 652,000.

That said - Sky don't care about numbers. They only care about having the sport to drive subscriber numbers. Those numbers should be of concern to FOM though. Nearly 5 times fewer people watching the sport than when it was FTA.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.autosport.com/gallery/index.php/id/3793

In anticipation of the new cars and liveries coming out, here is a nice gallery of some old and rare ones to enjoy.

Harika

Schorpio wrote: »

Interesting audience numbers given there from Benson -



That said - Sky don't care about numbers. They only care about having the sport to drive subscriber numbers. Those numbers should be of concern to FOM though. Nearly 5 times fewer people watching the sport than when it was FTA.

Someone did the maths, and FOM got more money out of 650000 Sky people than out of 8 Million on BBC

Jordan 199

Williams will launch their new car on the 15th of February.

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.autosport.com/gallery/index.php/id/3793

In anticipation of the new cars and liveries coming out, here is a nice gallery of some old and rare ones to enjoy.

They forgot the Rothmans Tyrrell.

skipper_G

Daytona 24 hour race started a little while ago

Charlie-Bravo

How long is it on for?









Kidding, I was going to ask where I could watch it but found this live stream on the website:

https://imsatv.imsa.com

skipper_G

astrofluff wrote: »

How long is it on for?









Kidding, I was going to ask where I could watch it but found this live stream on the website:

https://imsatv.imsa.com

Yeah that's the link I have it on. Good choice of cameras, including onboard shots

Cool_CM

Jaysus, that's a long way to limp back with a puncture.

Harika

Here's the list of Channel4 F1 races for 2018 here in the UK/Ireland. Enjoy this final year of having some races FTA.

Bahrain, Baku, Monaco, Austria, Britain, Belgium, Singapore, Japan, USA, Abu Dhabi all on Channel 4.

strawdog

Harika wrote: »

Someone did the maths, and FOM got more money out of 650000 Sky people than out of 8 Million on BBC

I think its one of those knowing the price of everything and value of nothing situations for FOM. In terms of hard income im sure subscriptions bring in more coin, but, as the article touches on, in terms of overall exposure, creation of new young fans, winning over the casual viewer etc, I still think they're shooting themselves in the foot. 2024 is a long way a way, could see the sport suffering badly in the interim

Harika

strawdog wrote: »

I think its one of those knowing the price of everything and value of nothing situations for FOM. In terms of hard income im sure subscriptions bring in more coin, but, as the article touches on, in terms of overall exposure, creation of new young fans, winning over the casual viewer etc, I still think they're shooting themselves in the foot. 2024 is a long way a way, could see the sport suffering badly in the interim

I totally agree with you, while it generates more money in short term, long term it is bad.
At least liberty seems to be able to think longer than from year to year.

Harika

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Just look at the mess that is the WRC, it never recovered from being dropped from TV or at least being put in terrible time slots.

WRC was never loved from the FIA, so it was sabotaged with unwanted regulation changes that send away the manufacturers and let this exciting product die.

Charlie-Bravo

F1 is probably my favourite sport over all others. But watching Fe in the last few years, it has gather so much momentum (along with road EVs becoming more common place), that putting F1 behind a pay wall the exposure is lessened, and Fe is available FTA too, will bring more fans to Fe than F1. By 2024, we could be very well in a 50/50 split of Fe fans versus F1 fans, if not leaning towards Fe majority.

boardsuser1

astrofluff wrote: »

F1 is probably my favourite sport over all others. But watching Fe in the last few years, it has gather so much moment (along with road EVs becoming more common place), that putting F1 behind a pay wall the exposure is lessened, and Fe is available FTA too. By 2024, we could be very well in a 50/50 split of Fe fans versus F1 fans.

F1 will eventually give way to FE i reckon and either merge or F1 will stop completely.

Jordan 199

2018 launch dates so far:


Williams: 15th of February.


Renault and Sauber: 20th of February.


Ferrari and Mercedes: 22nd of February.


McLaren: 23rd of February.


Toro Rosso: 25th of February.

AMKC

astrofluff wrote: »

F1 is probably my favourite sport over all others. But watching Fe in the last few years, it has gather so much momentum (along with road EVs becoming more common place), that putting F1 behind a pay wall the exposure is lessened, and Fe is available FTA too, will bring more fans to Fe than F1. By 2024, we could be very well in a 50/50 split of Fe fans versus F1 fans, if not leaning towards Fe majority.

Next race on next weekend at 6pm. A new track too I think.

Jordan 199 wrote: »

2018 launch dates so far:


Williams: 15th of February.


Renault and Sauber: 20th of February.


Ferrari and Mercedes: 22nd of February.


McLaren: 23rd of February.


Toro Rosso: 25th of February.

Can,t wait the 15th not to far away. A little over two weeks that will fly by.