An Animals life is equal to Humans=Insanity.

Stonedpilot

Recently I picked up someones dog running around like a wild buck potentially into busy traffic by the scruff of the neck. They started whinging saying I could hurt them. I politely explained I potentially saved the dogs life and also dogs have a tuft at the back of the neck and don't feel shyt hence why mother bitches carry their offspring by the back of the neck all the time.

This person started whinging an animals life is equal to a humans. :pac:

I had to laugh. I said why don't they eat people same as animals then if the lifes are of equal value?. Like that movie Soylent Green.


I've nothing against animals at all I just know that their life is of far far less value than a humans.

Can't stand when people come out with utter tosh that animals life's are equal to humans.


Very unhinged bizarre thinking.

Find alot of the time when people who say crap like animals life's are equal to humans these people have a disdain for people or are 'hurt' people, folk who have obsessive over a pet who is basically a captive and their 'love' can never be taken away as such. Often very hurt people.


Often hypocrites too, little Fido is treated like a prince but they think nothing of eating pork chops for dinner. Apparently animal life's are equal but not really pigs, dogs are 'more' equal see. :rolleyes:

I have a pet but his life isn't as valuable as mine or yours for that matter. Anyone who thinks his is nuts as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway I've seen people post crap like 'An animals life is equal to a humans' online and articles and I immediately think what a damaged lunatic. They need some good counseling, if they see people in such a dim light.

Look at this youtube video of Louis Theroux get owned by logic by a South African on hunting animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40W_hc_q8XU

Omackeral

Do not speak ill of Louis Fcuking Theroux ever again.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

This isn't about whether an animals life is equal to a humans - if that was the case, has the dog given consent to being enslaved to the owner? - it's about responsibility and some animals have different responsibilities to others.

Stonedpilot

Omackeral wrote: »

Do not speak ill of Louis Fcuking Theroux ever again.

I'm a fan of Louis but he got owned by the staffer on this one. Also by the Wrestler guy back in the day who worked him out til he puked when he said wresting was fake. Was brilliant TV.:)

kylith

Did you ask why, if he believed an animals life was equal to a human's, he was allowing his dog to risk his life in traffic?

_Brian

You see allot of people with some serious lack in their lives, they transfer human traits and standards into animals as a compensation for whatever is missing.

It’s awfully sad.
See people talking to dogs calling themselves “mummy and daddy”, kissing and slobbering over a dog, ffs, the dog just licked its ass and your kissing it We we’re in a friends hluse for dinner one night and they let the fuccking dog lick the plates as they were going into the dishwasher “it’s handy isn’t it” she said as she caught me starring. I’ve never had even a cup of tea there since.

I’ve been around farming all my life and we have pets here that are well looked after. But they are not treated like humans in any way.


Oh, and while I’m at it.
If you have cats or dogs inside your house, your house smells like a god damn kennel, spraying cheap air freshener just marginally masks the smell, but it’s awful and your probably nose blind to it. Your house smells bad !

Stonedpilot

kylith wrote: »

Did you ask why, if he believed an animals life was equal to a human's, he was allowing his dog to risk his life in traffic?

Was a woman pal. She thinks her dog has manners but not a chance. Minute she let the dog off the lead the dog was running around like a headless chicken. She also refers to herself as the dogs Mammy. :rolleyes:

Mickeroo

_Brian wrote: »

You see allot of people with some serious lack in their lives, they transfer human traits and standards into animals as a compensation for whatever is missing.

It’s awfully sad.
See people talking to dogs calling themselves “mummy and daddy”, kissing and slobbering over a dog, ffs, the dog just licked its ass and your kissing it We we’re in a friends hluse for dinner one night and they let the fuccking dog lick the plates as they were going into the dishwasher “it’s handy isn’t it” she said as she caught me starring. I’ve never had even a cup of tea there since.

I’ve been around farming all my life and we have pets here that are well looked after. But they are not treated like humans in any way.

Why do you get humans to lick your dirty dishes on your farm? Also what do dogs have their mouths that can survive dish washers and kill you afterwards?

DEFTLEFTHAND

We saw a lot of this around the time that gorilla was shot.

It was a terribly unfortunate situation but I couldn't believe the reaction of some. A human life was in the balance. No chances could be taken.

Dr Crayfish

Omackeral wrote: »

Do not speak ill of Louis Fcuking Theroux ever again.

Why not? He's a bit of a sap.

Omackeral

Real question is; how many human lives is one Louis Theroux equal to? I'd say around 6.

Mickeroo

Omackeral wrote: »

Real question is; how many human lives is one Louis Theroux equal to? I'd say around 6.

So you're saying only if 6 or more children got cornered in his pen you might shoot him as a precaution?

yerwanthere123

_Brian wrote: »

You see allot of people with some serious lack in their lives, they transfer human traits and standards into animals as a compensation for whatever is missing.

It’s awfully sad.
See people talking to dogs calling themselves “mummy and daddy”, kissing and slobbering over a dog, ffs, the dog just licked its ass and your kissing it We we’re in a friends hluse for dinner one night and they let the fuccking dog lick the plates as they were going into the dishwasher “it’s handy isn’t it” she said as she caught me starring. I’ve never had even a cup of tea there since.

I’ve been around farming all my life and we have pets here that are well looked after. But they are not treated like humans in any way.


Oh, and while I’m at it.
If you have cats or dogs inside your house, your house smells like a god damn kennel, spraying cheap air freshener just marginally masks the smell, but it’s awful and your probably nose blind to it. Your house smells bad !

If they're going to be washed in the dishwasher anyway. what's wrong with that?

o1s1n

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We saw a lot of this around the time that gorilla was shot.

It was a terribly unfortunate situation but I couldn't believe the reaction of some. A human life was in the balance. No chances could be taken.

100,000 gorillas left in the world, 7,600,000,000 people.

If my maths is correct, that's 1 gorilla to 76,000 people.

Not saying the kid should have been left to die, but we are a little overstocked...

Omackeral

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Why not? He's a bit of a sap.

Wrong. He is life.

Exhibit A



Exhibit B

He is a real nigga

Wibbs

I would say it depends quite a bit on the human involved and the animal involved.

lawred2

_Brian wrote: »

You see allot of people with some serious lack in their lives, they transfer human traits and standards into animals as a compensation for whatever is missing.

It’s awfully sad.
See people talking to dogs calling themselves “mummy and daddy”, kissing and slobbering over a dog, ffs, the dog just licked its ass and your kissing it We we’re in a friends hluse for dinner one night and they let the fuccking dog lick the plates as they were going into the dishwasher “it’s handy isn’t it” she said as she caught me starring. I’ve never had even a cup of tea there since.

vom

_Brian wrote: »

If you have cats or dogs inside your house, your house smells like a god damn kennel, spraying cheap air freshener just marginally masks the smell, but it’s awful and your probably nose blind to it. Your house smells bad !

and you've got fcking hairs everywhere

Omackeral

Mickeroo wrote: »

So you're saying only if 6 or more children got cornered in his pen you might shoot him as a precaution?

Sorry I meant 6 fully grown adults. So 'bout a dozen kids.

Pac1Man

Wibbs wrote: »

I would say it depends quite a bit on the human involved and the animal involved.

Certainly. Remember the picture of the two lads standing beside the pitbull? They just cut off its ears and were posing with them for the camera.

I would quite happily choose the dog in this instance and have a fine night's sleep.

The 'well of course we're more important' comments are interesting. It's only because we're top of the food chain and the only species with a voice. It's a scary thought but we don't own the planet.

lawred2

Pac1Man wrote: »

Certainly. Remember the picture of the two lads standing beside the pitbull? They just cut off its ears and were posing with them for the camera.

I would quite happily choose the dog in this instance and have a fine night's sleep.

The 'well of course we're more important' comments are interesting. It's only because we're top of the food chain and the only species with a voice. It's a scary thought but we don't own the planet.

I would agree with this

D3V!L

_Brian wrote: »

See people talking to dogs calling themselves “mummy and daddy”

My dachshund cross has always known my wife as "mammy", I dont see anything wrong with it.

Beta Ray Bill

An Animals life is not worth the same as humans life.

I think the worth of an Animals life differs based on three things

1) Amount of contact with said animal (My dog is worth a lot more to me than your dog)
2) Intelligence (I'd value an intelligent Animal like Dolphin/Chimp/Dog over and stupid animal like a Hen)
3) Usefulness (Horse is more useful than a hamster)
4) Animals that a pricks are worth nothing (Wasps, Silverfish some cats, rats)

In terms of hunting though I don't believe in hunting an animal unless you intend to eat it.
If you want to hunt for sport, make it difficult, shooting an Animal from 250 meters away with a Rifle is not sport. It's just killing an animal for no reason.

begbysback

Everything that is alive has a life.

Equality would depend on the perspective of one being either the human or the dog.

MadamRazz

If I was driving along and there was a dog on one side of the road and a person on the other, I would probably swerve to avoid hitting the dog. Just because we think we're more important, doesn't mean that we are.

suicide_circus

Most people anthropomorphize their pets to some degree. Then you get the people who claim, give a hypothetical flood, they would save their dog from drowning rather than a person. These people should go and live in the wilderness and be denied the comforts of human society.

Bigbagofcans

MadamRazz wrote: »

If I was driving along and there was a dog on one side of the road and a person on the other, I would probably swerve to avoid hitting the dog. Just because we think we're more important, doesn't mean that we are.

That's sad really. The devastation of a human losing its life is far greater than a dog losing its life.

I love animals but I love humans more.

Stonedpilot

Wibbs wrote: »

I would say it depends quite a bit on the human involved and the animal involved.

Not it doesn't.

Even if the person is evil (subjective) their life is still worth more than a Jack Russell's.

Pyr0

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Not it doesn't.

Even if the person is evil (subjective) their life is still worth more than a Jack Russell's.

To Godwin or not to Godwin :pac:

Irish Guitarist

Stonedpilot

Only page 2 and people are brining up Hitler:rolleyes:

farmerwifelet

But look at the dog in the picture the perfect shining example of the breed, rather than the arched backed, misshapen thing that has back legs too short for its body that "dog lovers" have today. dogs 100 years ago were totally different to the dogs we have now and its not an improvement. Dog lovers need to stop buying breeds that are deformed. Pugs for example.

And even if you call yourself "mammy" your dog does not entitle you to a parent and child parking space!

LadyMacBeth_

We've created a world and a society where we are more important, and we've developed weapons that allow us to stay at the top of the food chain. All of this, however, doesn't actually mean that we are more important than other animals. Just that we like to think that we are. Why do we think we're more important? Because we consider ourselves to be more intelligent? Well that's a dangerous line of thinking, is an intelligent human's life worth more than a stupid human's life? Are cats that spend their days licking their holes going to find a cure for cancer? No, but they aren't going to launch a nuclear weapon either. Humans are contributing to the destruction of this planet far more than any other animal is. This is coming from a meat eater by the way, and yes, I am aware of my hypocrisy.

gw80

I wouldn't say they should have equal rights as we humans subscribe to because rights are a human construct, but the do deserve the right to exist as a species,( wild animals at least) on this planet, as there genes have survived, in some cases for a lot longer than our own,

_Dara_

It's cats that have the tuft of loose skin at the back of the neck, not dogs, right?

Spudmonkey

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Look at this youtube video of Louis Theroux get owned by logic by a South African on hunting animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40W_hc_q8XU

I don't see Louis getting owned by anyone there?

kylith

_Brian wrote: »

Oh, and while I’m at it.
If you have cats or dogs inside your house, your house smells like a god damn kennel, spraying cheap air freshener just marginally masks the smell, but it’s awful and your probably nose blind to it. Your house smells bad !

Don't give a sht, personally. If you have a baby your house smells like old milk and shtty nappies. If you cook Indian food your house smells of curry. Houses smell like what's in them. Big whoop.

Why would I have a companion animal and keep it in the back garden looking in at me?

_Dara_ wrote: »

It's cats that have the tuft of loose skin at the back of the neck, not dogs, right?

Dogs have it too.

OnDraught

_Brian wrote: »

We we’re in a friends hluse for dinner one night and they let the fuccking dog lick the plates as they were going into the dishwasher “it’s handy isn’t it” she said as she caught me starring. I’ve never had even a cup of tea there since.

You would be absolutely horrified to know where most adults put their mouths on a regular basis. Paper plates for you from now on.

Spudmonkey

Not really sure how you'd draw that conclusion anyway tbh.

If you use the metric of scarcity/abundance we're probably well down the list of species in that there are a ****-ton of us. I'd probably classify a snow-leopard or other such animal as being significantly more valuable than us.

If you use the metric of what we add to the planet, I'd probably classify a lot of species higher than us in that respect also. We seem to be intent on the destruction of many habitats/things for nothing more than our own gain.

Is it because somehow we (some anyway) are capable or critical thinking or do we just think higher of ourselves than we actually should?

Galwayguy35

I'd suggest an animals life is worth a lot more than a paedophile or a rapist.

Why do we think we are so valuable anyway?

Animals have been around for millions of years before the first human appeared and if it wasn't for the fact that a larger brain gave us the edge over other species we would have probably gone extinct long ago.

And we also fooked up the planet for every other form of life.

B0jangles

Spudmonkey wrote: »

Not really sure how you'd draw that conclusion anyway tbh.

If you use the metric of scarcity/abundance we'd probably well down the list of species in that there are a ****-ton of us. I'd probably classify a snow-leopard or other such animal as being significantly more valuable than us.

If you use the metric of what we add to the planet, I'd probably classify a lot of species higher than us in that respect also. We seem to be intent on the destruction of many habitats/things for nothing more than our own gain.

Is it because somehow because we (some anyway) are capable or critical thinking or do we just think higher of ourselves than we actually should?

I was just thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that if you were to value a species by this metric then the humble earthworm would have to score pretty damn high - they cause no damage to either the environment or to any other living thing, and they spend their entire lives restoring and replenishing the soil that ultimately feeds every other land-based animal.

Earthworms are a lot better for the planet as a whole than we are.

It's pure, unadulterated egotism that has so many people believing that humans are intrisically more vaulable than any other species, simply because they are human.

One eyed Jack

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd suggest an animals life is worth a lot more than a paedophile or a rapist.

Why do we think we are so valuable anyway?

Animals have been around for millions of years before the first human appeared and if it wasn't for the fact that a larger brain gave us the edge over other species we would have probably gone extinct long ago.

And we also fooked up the planet for every other form of life.

I don't think you'll find too many would disagree there really.

As for the rest of your post though, well why shouldn't we value ourselves above animals? The fact that we do is obviously what got us where we are, and not just our bigger brains.

Of course at an individual level anyone is entitled to think they're worth less than or equal to an animal, or they're entitled to think an animal is of equal value to them, but generally speaking human do value themselves above animals, and with good reason too. Opposable thumbs for one thing! :pac:

Spudmonkey

B0jangles wrote: »

I was just thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that if you were to value a species by this metric then the humble earthworm would have to score pretty damn high - they cause no damage to either the environment or to any other living thing, and they spend their entire lives restoring and replenishing the soil that ultimately feeds every other land-based animal.

Earthworms are a lot better for the planet as a whole than we are.

It's pure, unadulterated egotism that has so many people believing that humans are intrisically more vaulable than any other species, simply because they are human.

Watch the blue planet 2 and see how plankton are basically the ultimate food source for the majority of marine life. It's probably organisms at the bottom of the food chain that are more valuable than apex predators.

Stonedpilot

B0jangles wrote: »

I was just thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that if you were to value a species by this metric then the humble earthworm would have to score pretty damn high - they cause no damage to either the environment or to any other living thing, and they spend their entire lives restoring and replenishing the soil that ultimately feeds every other land-based animal.

Earthworms are a lot better for the planet as a whole than we are.

It's pure, unadulterated egotism that has so many people believing that humans are intrisically more vaulable than any other species, simply because they are human.

Egotism my arse.

No it's not, it's ordained from God almightly himself. Genesis 1:26.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God said it so it's good enough for me.

Now perhaps you don't believe in God but billions do (many people far smarter than you or I, I may add) and they accept his word on it. :cool:

B0jangles

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Egotism my arse.

No it's not, it's ordained from God almightly himself. Genesis 1:26.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God said it so it's good enough for me.

Now perhaps you don't believe in God but billions do (many people far smarter than you or I, I may add) and they accept his word on it. :cool:

I see you've chosen to go with believing the word of the God who appears in the Old Testament.

Over the millenia, billions of people have believed just as fervently in thousands upon thousands of other gods, most of whom have been long forgotten.

Good thing you happened to be born in the right time and place to hear about the only real one, eh?

What are the odds of that happening?

Ave Sodalis

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Egotism my arse.

No it's not, it's ordained from God almightly himself. Genesis 1:26.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God said it so it's good enough for me.

Now perhaps you don't believe in God but billions do (many people far smarter than you or I, I may add) and they accept his word on it. :cool:

Between this post and the one about how even an evil person is worth more than an animal, your opinion on this matter has lost all credibility in my eyes...

La.de.da

I couldn't give a fùck what people think. I adore my dog. I had two until recently, I still very much grieve the one I had to put to sleep. Much more than any human I've known.

For some people, dogs (any pets) give them a propose to get up in the morning and company.

Pac1Man

Stonedpilot wrote: »

No it's not, it's ordained from God almightly himself. Genesis 1:26....

_Dara_

Mickeroo wrote: »

Also what do dogs have their mouths that can survive dish washers and kill you afterwards?

Faecal matter. Now, you can say "what's the big deal?", dishwashers are good and hot. But how would you feel about human faecal matter coming near the plates you eat off, even after a dishwasher spin? It's just very unappetising Plus, spore-forming bacteria are more resilient and may not be killed off. I don't know if dog faeces contain any but I know that it's considered nasty stuff for a reason.

Isolt

I love my cat. He's cute and affectionate and not that much of a prick despite his feline genes.

However, if I saw my cat and a human I did not know and they were both in a burning building I think instinct would make me grab the human first and save them. I don't think that makes me bad. I just couldn't choose to leave that human behind without trying to save him.

Stonedpilot

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Between this post and the one about how even an evil person is worth more than an animal, your opinion on this matter has lost all credibility in my eyes...

Oh God no!. Say it isn't so;)

Well where's the logic in saying a gerbil or a mouses life is worth more than a evil person's (evil being subjective).

As far as I'm concerned someone who thinks the above is totally insane.

kylith

Spudmonkey wrote: »

Watch the blue planet 2 and see how plankton are basically the ultimate food source for the majority of marine life. It's probably organisms at the bottom of the food chain that are more valuable than apex predators.

Absolutely. If humans, lions, or tigers were wiped off the planet there'd be problems, yes, but the system would adapt. If the ants, slugs, or bacteria in the soil vanished the entire ecosystem would fall apart.