Consumption of alcohol on a non-licenced premises

Losty Dublin

L1011 wrote: »

Revenue data issues excepted, the premises I'm referring to do not appear to have any further licences.

That too is a possibility

lifeandtimes

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Under the various exemptions and licences that railway stations have to serve alcohol, they may only serve bonafide passengers and their hours of trading can be worked around timetables. To serve to non passengers, a regular licence is required and has been done before.

Connolly station has a bar before the turnstiles.

Does that fall into that category or does it have a license?

Nothing stopping someone walking into the station and buying a drink and leaving

Stephen15

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Connolly station has a bar before the turnstiles.

Does that fall into that category or does it have a license?

Nothing stopping someone walking into the station and buying a drink and leaving

Also if people were made to produce a valid train ticket then surely a Leap card which many people have would surely be adequate as it is a valid train travel train ticket, but someone could leave the bar and not use the leap card.

Fred Swanson

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Losty Dublin

Stephen15 wrote: »

Also if people were made to produce a valid train ticket then surely a Leap card which many people have would surely be adequate as it is a valid train travel train ticket, but someone could leave the bar and not use the leap card.

A Leapcard is an e-wallet and not a ticket. It doesn't hold a ticket for specific trips, which is what a transport station barman requires to serve you on Good Friday.

L1011

Losty Dublin wrote: »

A Leapcard is an e-wallet and not a ticket. It doesn't hold a ticket for specific trips, which is what a transport station barman requires to serve you on Good Friday.

Mine contains a ticket (for significantly over the distance limit) permanently. Not the norm, of course.

Sleeper12

There are barber shops giving free beer to clients.

L1011

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are barber shops giving free beer to clients.

And sometimes well before serving hours at that - having had a bottle of Molson handed at 8am getting a pre-wedding haircut last year!

I suspect there's an awful lot of cases of borderline or outright illegality when it comes to alcohol legislation that is basically just allowed due to a lack of interest in pursuing it and revealing how odd and old our legislation is.

Peregrinus

I don't think it's a lack of interest, still less a desire to avoid revealing "how odd and old our legislation is". The latter is already well-known.

It's long been the case that the authorities are, um, judiciously selective in their application of the licensing laws. If what you're doing on a small scale is not causing public order problems, a loss of revenue, unfair competition for licensees or any other of a list of problems, then they may leave well enough alone.

In other words, if your barber gives you a bottle of beer, no problem. If he gives you so much beer that you leave his premises drunk, or that people are coming to the premises primarily for the beer and not for the haircuts, or if he sells you a bottle of beer, problem.

GM228

L1011 wrote: »

Something sort of on-topic - is a Railway Refreshment Room licence holder allowed serve non-passengers; and do they have different opening times to Publican licences?

There are two premises which definitely operate as a pub, without even entrances to the railway station they are physically adjoined to.

As pointed out they are only supposed to serve bona fide passengers who have travelled or hold tickets entitling them to travel at least 10 miles (or ship passengers who have a ticket for at least 50 miles).

Having looked at this before and reviewed the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1927 and the Licensing (Ireland) Act 1902 I was of the opinion that they could serve both:-

(a) any customer within the allowed hours of an ordinary publican licence, and

(b) any bona fide rail/ship passenger at any time/day subject to the 10/50 mile rule.

But previous correspondence with Revenue suggests that only (b) applies, in my opinion when you read the actual legislation applicable nothing restricts them to selling to passengers only, rather that the bona fide passengers are the only ones allowed to avail of the unrestricted hours - if Revenue are correct it raises the question as to how Gerry Robinson gets away with it at Raphoe. He used a clause in the 1902 Act to actually get his licence, but would (if Revenue are correct) be in breach of the licence as his railway is only 2.8 miles long.

Peregrinus

Perhaps he sells tickets that entitle you to two return journeys for a total distance of 11.2 miles!

lifeandtimes

Peregrinus wrote: »

I don't think it's a lack of interest, still less a desire to avoid revealing "how odd and old our legislation is". The latter is already well-known.

It's long been the case that the authorities are, um, judiciously selective in their application of the licensing laws. If what you're doing on a small scale is not causing public order problems, a loss of revenue, unfair competition for licensees or any other of a list of problems, then they may leave well enough alone.

In other words, if your barber gives you a bottle of beer, no problem. If he gives you so much beer that you leave his premises drunk, or that people are coming to the premises primarily for the beer and not for the haircuts, or if he sells you a bottle of beer, problem.

I think this pretty much sums it up.

Getting a beer with a haircut as an added value service for free= Not so bad

Going to get s haircut and leaving gee eyed every time = really bad.

Byob at a cafe where most people will have one or 2= seems to be acceptable

Bringing a keg to cafe and doing handstands on it to chug and leaving flutered, more than likely drunk in public is wrong

coylemj

GM228 wrote: »

As pointed out they are only supposed to serve bona fide passengers who have travelled or hold tickets entitling them to travel at least 10 miles ...

+1 people used to go to the old MGWR station in Athlone on a Good Friday, buy a one-way ticket for Moate (10 miles down the Mullingar line, since closed), then they'd hit the bar and drink all day.

Stephen15

coylemj wrote: »

+1 people used to go to the old MGWR station in Athlone on a Good Friday, buy a one-way ticket for Moate (10 miles down the Mullingar line, since closed), then they'd hit the bar and drink all day.

Could you not go into to the bar in Connolly Station with a ticket to Clontarf Road

Fred Swanson

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lifeandtimes

Fred Swanson wrote: »

No. It had to be at least 10 miles away.

Will The barman bother though?

I went from Connolly to wexford and got a pint before the train and they never asked me



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Fred Swanson

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lifeandtimes

lifeandtimes wrote: »

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