Less common cattle breeds

The man in red and black

Seeing the threads on the MRI and Fleickveih had me wondering do people have any unusual breeds on the go out there?

Saw alot of regional breeds in the UK like Sussex and Devon Red etc, few Speckled Parks and Shorthorns on the go up in the North. Anyone keep one or two odd breeds just for the novelty?

Bonus points if the Dept don't have a breed code when you try register them :P

_Brian

My ultimate goal is to have a small herd of Irish Moiled. They are truly beautiful stock and suited to the Shiite land here in Cavan.
Cows wouldn’t suit us for tue moment so it’s on hold.

valtra2

What's is a rux saw it on board in mart

Water John

That seems an RU cross, a Devon Ruby. Presume that's a Red Devon, as mentioned by the OP.

lakill Farm

_Brian wrote: »

My ultimate goal is to have a small herd of Irish Moiled. They are truly beautiful stock and suited to the Shiite land here in Cavan.
Cows wouldn’t suit us for tue moment so it’s on hold.

Lad local to me has a few.

Bishops town house collinstown co Westmeath think is him

kollegeknight

We have a Speckle park/ Lim cow. Hardy lady, produced a lovely Red Bull calf last year on par with the big cows. This is her 3rd calf off The AI aa ZLL.





We also have a line of females off a brown Swiss AI bull from the old dairy herd. Again a hardy cow. The cow is a 12.5% BS. Her bull calves come out red limos her heifers have BS traits. This lady in the photo (taken in June) is due to calf in dec at 30 months. She is 6.25% BS. I miss disbudding her as dad was sick at the time. Half tempted to get her a cow bell.

patsy_mccabe

Speckled Park are a fine looking breed. Is she quiet Kollegenight? If I was still doing AI, I'd be tempted to try a straw.
I like teh look of the English Longhorn too.

jfh

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Speckled Park are a fine looking breed. Is she quiet Kollegenight? If I was still doing AI, I'd be tempted to try a straw.
I like teh look of the English Longhorn too.

I didn't have much luck with them, bought 2 but lost the calf in one, difficult calving, very small pelvic area, the other calf is very small, never come to much.
Very quiet alright.

tractorporn

lakill Farm wrote:

Lad local to me has a few.

lakill Farm wrote:

Bishops town house collinstown co Westmeath think is him

Yeah they run a B&B there as well has a herd of lovely purebred moilies

Feckoffcup

Luing are fantastic for cross breeding. Long life, lasting fertility, great maternal ability, good milk.

kollegeknight

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Speckled Park are a fine looking breed. Is she quiet Kollegenight? If I was still doing AI, I'd be tempted to try a straw.
I like teh look of the English Longhorn too.

You could sit up on her back. Three years ago For her first calf, didn’t think she was in calf, she calves out through the barrier, licked the calf through the barrier and took to her straight away.

I love the look of the long horn myself.
I’m half tempted to look at a highlander and the offspring for the freezer.

The man in red and black

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Luing are fantastic for cross breeding. Long life, lasting fertility, great maternal ability, good milk.

I have to admit I had to look up the Luing! Are they short legged cattle in size? Would they suit marginal land?

kollegeknight wrote: »

This lady in the photo (taken in June) is due to calf in dec at 30 months. She is 6.25% BS. I miss disbudding her as dad was sick at the time. Half tempted to get her a cow bell.

For 6.25% Brown Swiss it really showed through!!

Water John

I know Fleichveih and Simmental are the one breed. But I thought they were clearly a dairy and beef option largely. Did not the Simmental Society only recently accept Fleichveih?
Fleichveih being dual purpose in the sense of large cows with calves able to put on weight whilst Simmental are solely, beef. Flechveih of different strains in Holland, Bavaria and Switzerland/Austria.

Never wrestle with pigs

Ya that's true. They don't really accept them. They created a separate pedigree herd book for them it's run by the Simmental society. They are vastly different but some of the flecks that were breed with beef in mind and are too extreme for milking make a good cross for suckers as they still have plenty of milk in that regard. You'd want to put them on low cows with a bit of style though.

tractorporn

The man in red and black wrote:

I have to admit I had to look up the Luing! Are they short legged cattle in size? Would they suit marginal land?

I've seen Luing cattle in Northern England thriving up on the moors. Lovely cattle and great mother's.

Base price

Maybe the Mods could add the thread about the Irish rare breed to this one. After all they are a native/heritage breed.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057807598

greysides

Base price wrote: »

Maybe the Mods could add the thread about the Irish rare breed to this one. After all they are a native/heritage breed.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057807598

Threads have different purposes. Curious to get two rare breed threads coming up together out of the blue though.

Willfarman

Bought a bullock a few weeks back. ST was the code. Stabiliser. Looks like a shorthorn.

kollegeknight

Willfarman wrote: »

Bought a bullock a few weeks back. ST was the code. Stabiliser. Looks like a shorthorn.

A lad up north has them. My vet was telling me to get a bull after my first c-section. He said they are tiny calves with a great growth rate but wouldn’t sell in the mart here. That i would have to finish them.

How much did you pay for him and what weight if you don’t mind me asking. What do you think of him?

Never wrestle with pigs

Willfarman wrote: »

Bought a bullock a few weeks back. ST was the code. Stabiliser. Looks like a shorthorn.

Let us know how he goes. They are trying to push them as the next thing. Bigger than traditional cattle but supposed to be easy finish.

Floki

kollegeknight wrote: »

I love the look of the long horn myself.
I’m half tempted to look at a highlander and the offspring for the freezer.

I don't think the highlander cattle fatten very well though?

Saw some at an abbotoir in scotland one time and wasn't impressed compared to "normal" breeds.
Maybe it was just where these came from.

Willfarman

kollegeknight wrote: »

A lad up north has them. My vet was telling me to get a bull after my first c-section. He said they are tiny calves with a great growth rate but wouldn’t sell in the mart here. That i would have to finish them.

How much did you pay for him and what weight if you don’t mind me asking. What do you think of him?

Feb16 540kgs 980€. I'd be calling him an o+ nothing great about him. I can't seem to upload photos to this via iPhone.

Base price

greysides wrote: »

Threads have different purposes. Curious to get two rare breed threads coming up together out of the blue though.

I don't agree with your comment - "Curious to get two rare breed threads coming up together out of the blue though"
IMO there is a marked difference between both threads- one relates to imported unusual breeds whilst the other focuses on indigenous Irish breeds.
In fairness this thread is about identifying unusual cattle breeds that have been imported into Ireland. In the recent past new breeds were "continental breeds" like - CH, LM, BA, SI, PI ect... and unique to Ireland at the time. I also remember when Holsteins were considered as a "new" breed with dairy farmers.
However the other thread focuses on some of our native breeds.

The man in red and black

Has anyone every seen any of the Italian Chianina knocking around Ireland?

Dug up this old IFJ article but I thought there was an article 5 or 6 years ago about someone farming these in Ireland?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/destination-dubai-irish-man-flies-giant-chianina-cattle-to-uae-294641

patsy_mccabe

You'd want to lengthen the calving jack with them around the place.:D

Who2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You'd want to lengthen the calving jack with them around the place.:D

Wire ropes and a jeep. I wonder how they would cross in a jersey.

greysides

The man in red and black wrote: »

Has anyone every seen any of the Italian Chianina knocking around Ireland?

Romagnola were a passing fad in Ireland about 25 years ago.

Lovely looking cattle and quiet but took too long (3 y.o.) to finish. In the crossbreeds they came either the original blue or a sandy version.


https://www.farmersjournal.ie/my-farming-week-alan-rigney-leamonaghan-ballycumber-co-offaly-321063

patsy_mccabe

The official list of breeds and their codes.

The man in red and black

From that article:

"Quotable quote: I can guarantee you will never have a Romagnola calf stuck at the hips."

Some quote! Hiplock always the biggest fear with Lims. Don't think I've ever been called to one with a Ch. Alot to be said for big shoulders!

charolais0153

The man in red and black wrote: »

From that article:

"Quotable quote: I can guarantee you will never have a Romagnola calf stuck at the hips."

Some quote! Hiplock always the biggest fear with Lims. Don't think I've ever been called to one with a Ch. Alot to be said for big shoulders!

And blues id imagine

patsy_mccabe

The man in red and black wrote: »

..... Hiplock always the biggest fear with Lims. Don't think I've ever been called to one with a Ch. Alot to be said for big shoulders!

Do you ever twist the calf to get it through at the hips?

franglan

Was over at the Highland Show this year. Was very impressed with the Galloway's. Huge stock cows - great size and shape with the calves. Were way more impressive than the Angus on show.

Willfarman

The Welsh black have developed into great cattle but my take home breed would be the Devon reds.

grassroot1

Willfarman wrote: »

Bought a bullock a few weeks back. ST was the code. Stabiliser. Looks like a shorthorn.

wonder was he one of mine?

Birdnuts

Is it just my imagination or are there more beef shorthorns about the place in the last few years??

The man in red and black

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Do you ever twist the calf to get it through at the hips?

Couldn't agree with you more Patsy! Definitely a good idea to prevent hiplock is to twist any big calves once the shoulders are through if you can so the widest part of the calfs hips matches the widest part of the cows pelvis. Once they are hip locked it's usually too late to rotate and almost impossible to push back. Prevention better than cure! Romangola all the way sure :P

Willfarman

grassroot1 wrote: »

wonder was he one of mine?

Il still accept luck money...

bogman_bass

I bought a red Angus and a Maine Anjou last week.

A friend picked up two nice irish moiled heifers in Delvin recently

MfMan

Saw a blk in the ring a little while back, board showed up his breed as MSX. Any idea what breed? Looked like a kind of Shorthorn if I remember.

bogman_bass

MfMan wrote: »

Saw a blk in the ring a little while back, board showed up his breed as MSX. Any idea what breed? Looked like a kind of Shorthorn if I remember.

Milking shorthorn?

kollegeknight

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/amp/in-pictures-do-you-know-these-10-rare-breeds-323320


Are we being watched?

The man in red and black

bogman_bass wrote: »

I bought a red Angus and a Maine Anjou last week.

A friend picked up two nice irish moiled heifers in Delvin recently

Have you a picture of the Maine Anjou? What will you do with them?

Floki

kollegeknight wrote: »

Are we being watched?

No.

Water John

I believe you, Floki. Always thought The Dealer was a bit of an oddball.

Floki

Water John wrote: »

I believe you, Floki. Always thought The Dealer was a bit of an oddball.

It's you isn't it?

Gloucester cattle. There's a rare breed.
My father informs me we had a cow with the gloucester colouring that he bought in an auction many years ago.
However the hell someone thought or brought one into this country?

Lady Haywire

Seen Ayrshire bullocks in Carrigallen tonight. All the way from Mayo with full heads of horns on them :eek:

Water John

Wouldn't get past, 'security' down here.

Lady Haywire

Water John wrote: »

Wouldn't get past, 'security' down here.

Night sales tends to have less dept guys hanging around it seems!

MfMan

bogman_bass wrote: »

Milking shorthorn?

I suspect so actually. Only saw them as a breed quite recently.

bogman_bass

The man in red and black wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

I bought a red Angus and a Maine Anjou last week.

A friend picked up two nice irish moiled heifers in Delvin recently

Have you a picture of the Maine Anjou? What will you do with them?

The Maine Anjou is calving down next month and the Angus in Feb.
Guy on dobedeal was selling up the cows. Didn't know he had those two breeds but I came away with them

FLC

I have an interest in taking on a rare Irish breed for the "heritage is good" argument and that it is a kind of a living link to the cattlemen of the past in my family.

But I also need it to make sense commercially! I am 70 acres, fairly good ground/low marginal, full time off farm income, in GLAS, calf to store setup (small numbers at the minute).

Is there a premium market (beef) for Moiled or Droimeann etc? Other than their native characteristics (good on marginal ground, marbled meat, great mothers, easy calve etc) and the intrinsic heritage value of maintaining these breeds is there a market for progeny (other than selling good certified offspring to other like-minded owners)?

Basically is it an expensive hobby or can you make a twist?!