3 arena hall and Oates sound quality

emo72 · 29-10-2017 9:36pm #1

Was disgraceful. Would rather have walked out. Will update later but what a disaster.

DisneyLover · 29-10-2017 10:25pm

So disappointed

I had three Cork women screaming behind me and had to move seats twice which disnt help !

Darryl cant sing for ****.

Sound was AWFUL, worst Ive ever heard! And we go to 10-20 gigs a year!

Going to listen to them on iTunes now and try not to hate them.

Walter Sobchak III · 29-10-2017 10:26pm

Yep. Left after 20 minutes. Sound quality absolutely shocking. I think a call to Talk to Joe is in order.

rednik · 29-10-2017 10:35pm

I'm just glad I saw Chris Isaak who was superb as was the sound for his set. As for Hall & Oates it was dreadful and easily the worst gig of the year.

scudzilla · 29-10-2017 10:38pm

Why come here complaining, ok, guess some people do that

If ever you have a sound issue at a gig and are gonna walk out ask to speak to a member of the promotion team(mcd), take their name etc, you have a lot more comeback then if looking for a refund

emo72 · 29-10-2017 11:05pm

scudzilla wrote: »

Why come here complaining, ok, guess some people do that

If ever you have a sound issue at a gig and are gonna walk out ask to speak to a member of the promotion team(mcd), take their name etc, you have a lot more comeback then if looking for a refund

I'm posting here to see if anyone else agrees with me. I didn't want to leave my wife on her own and go find a sound engineer to ask what's going on. Really at that stage it's a salvage situation. Hoping it improves. After spending 90 euro a ticket plus the hassle of getting in and out of there. Waiting months for this to come around.

Wheety · 29-10-2017 11:20pm

Darryl kept making signals about his mic.

rednik · 29-10-2017 11:23pm

John Oates was made aware of the problem by the fans around a couple of songs into their set.

Wheety · 29-10-2017 11:36pm

rednik wrote: »

John Oates was made aware of the problem by the fans around a couple of songs into their set.

Yeah people were saying they couldn't hear them and they spoke it about it for a minute when that happened. Darryl and John were saying to turn up the vocal mics then.

Outlaw Pete · 30-10-2017 12:10am

The sound from Daryl's mic was horrendous.

He did some acapella at the end of one of the songs and everyone around where we were all made groaning sounds in unison.... was painful.

They're very professional though and if they were made aware of it, you wouldn't really have known.

Would like to see a scaled down acoustic tour from them some day. Would be epic.

gilmour · 30-10-2017 12:10am

Wheety wrote: »

Yeah people were saying they couldn't hear them and they spoke it about it for a minute when that happened. Darryl and John were saying to turn up the vocal mics then.

And funnily enough it was after this that the sound got steadily worst. It was comically bad for the 2nd half of the gig. The feedback at the intro to I Can't Go for That nearly pierced my hearing.

Shocking venue for sound.

HeidiHeidi · 30-10-2017 12:14am

Sounds like a different issue (maybe), but I was at the Steely Dan concert last night, and the sound cut out three or four times during the Doobie Brothers supporting. All that could be heard was the drummer bashing away like there was no tomorrow!

Didn't happen during the main gig.

But not what you'd expect at a venue like that!

Sleeper12 · 30-10-2017 12:20am

I have to disagree. The three arena and the board gas energy theater are probably the best venues for sound. I was at the waterboys in the three on Thursday night and sound was perfect.

Each act brings their own sound engineers and sound equipment. What everyone on this thread seems to be talking about is bad equipment and sound engineer. The venue itself has been designed acousticly. some of the best acts in the world have preformed there with perfect sound.

Wheety · 30-10-2017 12:40am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I have to disagree. The three arena and the board gas energy theater are probably the best venues for sound. I was at the waterboys in the three on Thursday night and sound was perfect.

Each act brings their own sound engineers and sound equipment. What everyone on this thread seems to be talking about is bad equipment and sound engineer. The venue itself has been designed acousticly. some of the best acts in the world have preformed there with perfect sound.

I agree with this. Paul McCartney was amazing there a few years ago.

emo72 · 30-10-2017 12:53am

Wheety wrote: »

I agree with this. Paul McCartney was amazing there a few years ago.[/quote

Well not tonight it was. It was dire.]

Wheety · 30-10-2017 12:57am

emo72 wrote: »

Wheety wrote: »

I agree with this. Paul McCartney was amazing there a few years ago.

Well not tonight it was. It was dire.]

Exactly. So it's not the venue.

Outlaw Pete · 30-10-2017 1:04am

cacambo · 30-10-2017 3:52am

scudzilla wrote: »

Why come here complaining, ok, guess some people do that

If ever you have a sound issue at a gig and are gonna walk out ask to speak to a member of the promotion team(mcd), take their name etc, you have a lot more comeback then if looking for a refund

What a horse-**** response. The crowd was there to see Hall & Oates, and might never see them again. So all of us made do.

I personally spoke to a staff member about the sound quality at the break, he said, 'the building isn't good for sound,and that's how it is'. What? The building?

And, even though the sound was crap, I went back in.

The night before, the Doobie Brothers were cut off - total silence - for ten or twenty seconds, twice! On their hit songs, and the audience filled it in.

They did a 'intro the band' part on Steely Dan, and when the trombonist played on his piece, there was total silence - pumping away, no sound. For f..s sake. All night he was playing and nobody could hear a thing.

What a load of ****. Money back is the start of it. The artists should also sue 3 for this.

Wrongway1985 · 30-10-2017 4:54am

cacambo wrote: »

What a load of ****. Money back is the start of it. The artists should also sue 3 for this.

You sure this is the Arena fault? Saw not so good results referring to London show sound wise albeit not on same scale.

Seen some support acts not be up to par as headliners in terms of sound a few occasions after it wasn't the point anymore but caught 3 gigs there this year A7X/Maiden/Aerosmith all delivered without issue...really good nights in fact

Mrs Shuttleworth · 30-10-2017 7:52am

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

You sure this is the Arena fault? Saw not so good results referring to London show sound wise albeit not on same scale.

Seen some support acts not be up to par as headliners in terms of sound a few occasions after it wasn't the point anymore but caught 3 gigs there this year A7X/Maiden/Aerosmith all delivered without issue...really good nights in fact

Yes saw that about the London show on Saturday. However the O2 London is notorious for bad sound. The engineers when there tend to crank up the sub bass to compensate for the low registers leaking out and there is a muffled "muddy" sound overall. Jimmy Page hates the venue, said he'll never play it again. I saw Prince there in 2007 and had to move, couldn't hear a thing. I enjoyed the Hall and Oates concert but I couldn't see how that sound design could carry off the o2 Greenwich.

I was at the 3 Arena quite a lot this year - Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Chili Peppers and last night. The sound for all of them was fine save for ZZ Top who had the same problems posters are now complaining about - the famous riff on Waitin for the Bus was ruined with Frank Beard and Billy Gibbons being out of sync and the intro to Gimme All Your Lovin wasn't audible at all. For the gig I was standing downstairs on the left.

Other than "I Can't Go" I didn't notice any problems last night other than it was slightly muffly overall but nothing to complain about. Am heading to Steely Dan tonight and will keep a close ear out.

Where were posters seated/standing that couldn't hear?

rednik · 30-10-2017 8:22am

I was in block G and the sound was atrocious for H&O but fine for Chris Isaak. I checked with a friend in block D and it was the same there. The people standing also had the problem as they were the ones who got John Oates attention and he said it over the microphone.I have attended numerous gigs in the point and I can honestly say this is the first with any sound problems.

The issue on Saturday night for the Doobies was a power issue and nothing to do with sound. There were no issues with Steely Dan. Hopefully all will be good tonight.

exaisle · 30-10-2017 9:04am

rednik wrote: »

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The issue on Saturday night for the Doobies was a power issue and nothing to do with sound. There were no issues with Steely Dan. Hopefully all will be good tonight.

I've heard more complaint about sound in the Three than anywhere else..I seem to recall a major problem with sound at the first of two Roger Waters gigs a few years back...maybe it's because there are more gigs there.

The Bord Gais Energy Theatre is the best venue in Dublin for sound...it's consistently good no matter where you're seated. The Helix is pretty good too.Mind you, the best sound at a gig I've heard in Dublin was Mike and the Mechanics in the Olympia which was like listening to my sound system at home...absolutely brilliant.
Worst was without doubt The Police in Croke Park. Atrociously inaudible. Closely followed by Queen at the Point (although in fairness, I was sitting somewhere near Fairview).

rednik · 30-10-2017 10:12am

I was at one of The Wall concerts and I remember hearing about the sound issues but it did not affect us on the night. I think it was isolated to some sections in the arena. Last night's was all over the arena.

leonffrench · 30-10-2017 10:19am

cacambo wrote:

What a load of ****. Money back is the start of it. The artists should also sue 3 for this.

3 are only the name sponsor. The venue is run by Live Nation.

gilmour · 30-10-2017 10:22am

Was at both Roger Waters gigs that time and also at last nights. The first night of Roger Waters the sound was more about the volume of Rogers mic, but i was standing at the back of the standing section where they had open access to the bar area (they didnt close it off). Second night sitting down, sound was quality.

Last night? The worst i've ever heard, as soon as more than two instruments were involved it created a ball of muddled reverb mess. Ground floor, right in front of the sound desk. Moved to the left and back over to the right and it was just as bad. Impressively bad actually.

Was lucky to see them at the Olympia 3 years ago when they rocked the place

bennyl10 · 30-10-2017 10:28am

cacambo wrote: »

What a horse-**** response. The crowd was there to see Hall & Oates, and might never see them again. So all of us made do.

I personally spoke to a staff member about the sound quality at the break, he said, 'the building isn't good for sound,and that's how it is'. What? The building?

And, even though the sound was crap, I went back in.

The night before, the Doobie Brothers were cut off - total silence - for ten or twenty seconds, twice! On their hit songs, and the audience filled it in.

They did a 'intro the band' part on Steely Dan, and when the trombonist played on his piece, there was total silence - pumping away, no sound. For f..s sake. All night he was playing and nobody could hear a thing.

What a load of ****. Money back is the start of it. The artists should also sue 3 for this.

Sue?! Bahahahahahahaha thanks for the laugh anyway!

The 3arena is one of the best acoustically designed venues out there abd has stunning sound!

If it was brutal last night it’s down to the bands own sound engineers! Not the arenas fault!

Mrs Shuttleworth · 30-10-2017 10:29am

gilmour wrote: »

Was at both Roger Waters gigs that time and also at last nights. The first night of Roger Waters the sound was more about the volume of Rogers mic, but i was standing at the back of the standing section where they had open access to the bar area (they didnt close it off). Second night sitting down, sound was quality.

Last night? The worst i've ever heard, as soon as more than two instruments were involved it created a ball of muddled reverb mess. Ground floor, right in front of the sound desk. Moved to the left and back over to the right and it was just as bad. Impressively bad actually.

Was lucky to see them at the Olympia 3 years ago when they rocked the place

I was downstairs in standing and on the left and pretty much in front of them. Maybe I was just lucky.

Worst sound I recall was Prince at the RDS in 1992. He sounded like he was playing through two blown speakers.

bennyl10 · 30-10-2017 10:30am

leonffrench wrote: »

3 are only the name sponsor. The venue is run by Live Nation.

Abd even then it isn’t there fault..

Each artists brings there own engineers and techs, if they couldn’t make it work it isn’t the venues issue.

99nsr125 · 30-10-2017 10:35am

My experiences also

Left a trip advisor review to warn people

Still a terrible venue, had all the old problems and now new ones too

emo72 wrote: »

Was disgraceful. Would rather have walked out. Will update later but what a disaster.

ghostdancer · 30-10-2017 10:40am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Each act brings their own sound engineers and sound equipment. What everyone on this thread seems to be talking about is bad equipment and sound engineer. The venue itself has been designed acousticly. some of the best acts in the world have preformed there with perfect sound.

spot on.
lots of support acts don't have their own sound engineer, so use the venue's in-house sound engineer.
Chris Isaak was probably using the 3Arena's engineer (and soundboard) or his own engineer, and the sound was fine.

H&O were likely using their own engineer and equipment, who did a bad job of setting up and configuring, and that's why the sound was poor compared with Isaak 30mins before.

I've been to plenty of gigs at the 3Arena and the sound has always been great.

OnDraught · 30-10-2017 10:42am

It’s gas that people continue to blame the venue in this thread. No one wants to blame the band it seems.

dixiefly · 30-10-2017 10:56am

I echo (excuse the pun) he comments of others on here. I was in he middle standing about 10 - 12 persons from the front. The problem was that the mix was totally wrong with the Daryl's voice not able to be heard above the background music. There was an echo and it was difficult to make out what he was saying when speaking also.

I thought it was probably ok way back & in stands & quite a few standing moved back so much so that there was loads of room as the gig went on. however speaking to others afterwards there were problems also for those in seating area.

As stated above, sound on Chris Isaac was fine ( and slightly lower volume wise).

It has to come back to poor or lazy setup which is the fault of the sound engineer but the ultimate responsibility of the band to get right. The really top artists spend hours on setup - not sure what happened yesterday.

Anyway, I'm heading Steely Dan tonight so here's hoping.

The Nal · 30-10-2017 11:11am

LordSutch wrote: »

Looks like there is a major sound engineer/ equipment problem at 3Arena/Dublin.

The sound there has and always will be terrible. Malfunctions aside, when the seats are up the sound travels under and around into the concession stands and echoes about, muffles etc and then comes back into the arena. Its a stupid design.

When the seats are all down though the sound is fine.

xpletiv · 30-10-2017 11:17am

Bad form that there wont be any refunds in this case. It shouldnt be a roll of the dice for a decent night, it should always be good. MCD should be sorting out refunds as that is the right thing to do. But thats something that never happens in the music world...

urbangoo · 30-10-2017 11:33am

OnDraught wrote: »

It’s gas that people continue to blame the venue in this thread. No one wants to blame the band it seems.

I think it was the band at fault. I've seen a few complaints about their London gig and one person on twitter was saying that Hall and Oates are known for their sound problems.

I only went for Chris Isaak and he sounded perfect so I'm not too upset. I was standing up the front for him but we moved back and over to the side for Hall and Oates. The sound was really bad, you could barely make out the words to to the songs.

I've been to loads of gigs in the 3Arena and the only other time there was sound issues was for one of the acts playing the Country2Country festival. That night, the support acts were fine but the main act had sound problems, which makes me believe it's not the venue at fault.

AndrewJRenko · 30-10-2017 11:34am

xpletiv wrote: »

Bad form that there wont be any refunds in this case. It shouldnt be a roll of the dice for a decent night, it should always be good. MCD should be sorting out refunds as that is the right thing to do. But thats something that never happens in the music world...

I suppose a punter or two could always try the Small Claims Court for refund - could be difficult to prove either way, though the large volume (no pun intended) of complaints on Twitter and here could be signficiant.

Peatys · 30-10-2017 11:58am

Wheety wrote: »

I agree with this. Paul McCartney was amazing there a few years ago.

Saw the Prodigy there last year, excellent sound.

WeleaseWoderick · 30-10-2017 12:21pm

Definitely not a problem with the arena's sound. I've been to at least 20 gigs there since it reopened and have always thought the acoustics were top notch.

I was at the gig last night and the issues definitely seemed to be with the band's sound engineers. The feedback issues at the start of "I can't go for that" was complete amateur hour and the vocals were lost in the mix for the majority of the show.

On the other hand, I was blown away by how good Chris Isaak sounded. Great showman too and I'd definitely go to another of his gigs.

Wrongway1985 · 30-10-2017 1:20pm

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Yes saw that about the London show on Saturday. However the O2 London is notorious for bad sound.

Was in the O2 last week for Metallica, no complaints from me.

Xenji · 30-10-2017 1:37pm

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Was in the O2 last week for Metallica, no complaints from me.

I agree, saw Nick Cave a couple of weeks back and the sound was perfect.

Mossie G · 30-10-2017 2:35pm

Not the venue but incompetence on the mixing desk coupled with a couldn't care less attitude from the stage contributed to a most disappointing night. We stuck it out up to "I can't go for that !" and left only to find a packed Luas of fellow concert goers who had also given up !

Could not see the point of putting the drummer in a perspex cage and then getting it so wrong on balancing the sound. The bass drum and Floor Tom Tom together with a boomy bass guitar drowned everything else out.

Chris Isaac was the surprise of the night - great entertainer and really got the crowd in the mood. Sound improved when his drummer came out front with just the snare and brushes for a great cover of Roy Orbison's "Only The Lonely". When he got back behind the drum kit the overbearing Bass Drum and floor Tom Tom took over.

Like someone else in the thread, we too are off to the Doobie Bros and Steey Dan tonight - with fingers crossed !

Sleeper12 · 30-10-2017 2:55pm

bennyl10 wrote:

The 3arena is one of the best acoustically designed venues out there abd has stunning sound!

Totally agree with you.

The band bring their own sound engineers, speakers, mics, cable etc.

The three venue has the same acoustics for all gigs. The variable is the band and their equipment.

Viscount Aggro · 30-10-2017 3:45pm

MCD will fight you tooth and nail, if you ask for a refund.
I was at David Gray in Marley Park. It rained after a few songs. The promoter came on basically told people the gig is off, no refunds.
Get the retaliation in first.

stateofflux · 30-10-2017 3:53pm

Mr.S wrote: »

It's not even the venue or promoters fault, it's down to the production crew & sound engineers.

The 3Arena has great sound / accoustics, but if the sound engineers **** up, that's up on them.

Of course, most people are going to complain to MCD in this case, but really it's nothing to do with them. No chance of getting a refund, sorry.

Promoter takes responsibility. end of story. its up to them to fix issues like this and replace the bands engineer on the spot if necessary.

washiskin · 30-10-2017 4:02pm

We were standing mid way up the standing section. Sound for Chris Isaak was spot on and I really, really enjoyed his set, not being familiar with any of his stuff bar the hits. Would definitely go to see him again in a smaller venue.
As soon as the sound issues started with H&O I thought "here we go again" after the previous sound debacle with the Doobie Brothers. 4 songs in, we moved back towards the sound desk, where I called over one of the staff and explained that the vocals couldn't be heard further up. Saw them twiddle around on the desk a bit but not sure it made any difference.I did notice the mic at the piano sounded miles better for the couple of songs DH did at it.

Sleeper12 · 30-10-2017 4:15pm

stateofflux wrote:

Promoter takes responsibility. end of story. its up to them to fix issues like this and replace the bands engineer on the spot if necessary.

The promoter books the venue and the band and he promotes the gig. The band have their own roadies and sound engineer for the duration of the tour. The promoter is not responsible for the sound.

The quality of the sound is totally up to the band. That's their job. They put out the sound that they want. A band would refuse to go on stage without a their own engineer or they would walk off if you tried to change him half way through the show.

I can't see why people refuse to lay the blame where it belongs. The band fecked up

queenie 10 · 30-10-2017 4:57pm

sound was an absolute disgrace. Piercing, then muffled. walked out before the encore.
going to Steely Dan and Doobies tonight, sound better be BETTER.
going to look for a refund.

Furious-Red · 30-10-2017 5:29pm

stateofflux wrote: »

Promoter takes responsibility. end of story. its up to them to fix issues like this and replace the bands engineer on the spot if necessary.

Thats bull**** , im sorry to say that but as people have said these kind of bands travel with their own crew and so its 100% up to their own personal sound engineer.

Do you really expect MCD to come and say ok sorry we are gonna stop the show due to sound issues while we ring around and try find a new engineer????

The promoter books the show and promotes in , its 100% up to the band who they decide to do their sound

Also there is no hope you will get a refund because of the sound , ive been to plently of gigs in the 3Arena and never had a problem with sound

rednik · 30-10-2017 5:32pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Thats bull**** , im sorry to say that but as people have said these kind of bands travel with their own crew and so its 100% up to their own personal sound engineer.

Do you really expect MCD to come and say ok sorry we are gonna stop the show due to sound issues while we ring around and try find a new engineer????

The promoter books the show and promotes in , its 100& up to the band who they decide to do their sound

Also there is no hope you will get a refund because of the sound , ive been to plently of gigs in the 3Arena and never had a problem with sound

Totally agree. At this stage Hall & Oates are aware of the issues so hopefully they will respond in some way.

stateofflux · 30-10-2017 6:01pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Thats bull**** , im sorry to say that but as people have said these kind of bands travel with their own crew and so its 100% up to their own personal sound engineer.

Do you really expect MCD to come and say ok sorry we are gonna stop the show due to sound issues while we ring around and try find a new engineer????

The promoter books the show and promotes in , its 100% up to the band who they decide to do their sound

Also there is no hope you will get a refund because of the sound , ive been to plently of gigs in the 3Arena and never had a problem with sound

Im giving an extreme example of responsibility to make a point. the book stops with MCD.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 30-10-2017 6:58pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Thats bull**** , im sorry to say that but as people have said these kind of bands travel with their own crew and so its 100% up to their own personal sound engineer.

Do you really expect MCD to come and say ok sorry we are gonna stop the show due to sound issues while we ring around and try find a new engineer????

The promoter books the show and promotes in , its 100% up to the band who they decide to do their sound

Also there is no hope you will get a refund because of the sound , ive been to plently of gigs in the 3Arena and never had a problem with sound

If there's any liability to the punter here I'd say it falls with MCD. They are promoting the gig and the first party (via ticketmaster) to receive the funds to be dispersed accordingly. It's up to them to ensure the gig they promoting meets minimum audio standards.

3 arena hall and Oates sound quality

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