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West of country destined to always have to settle for Heuston

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  • #32
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    CreativeSen wrote: »
    Would it be useful if your rail ticket from Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Galway etc. covered your Luas or bus fare into the city centre? So one ticket the whole way through?

    I lived in Reading for a while, I could get the train to Paddington and my tube was covered for Zone 1. It was just a convenience but it was really useful.

    You mean something like that which has been in operation in Belfast for decades?

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  • #33
    Jamie2k9
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    bk wrote: »
    I agree, it is a small thing, but yes, it would be very helpful if a ticket to Dublin actually got you right into Dublin city center.

    Selecting Dublin City Center at time of booking covers Luas/DB to city center. Only 1.50 extra and probally cheaper than cash Luas fares.


  • #34
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    You mean something like that which has been in operation in Belfast for decades?

    In fairness it's been operational in Dublin for decades also - Enterprise tickets are valid for the Dart as far as Pearse.


  • #35
    Del.Monte
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness it's been operational in Dublin for decades also - Enterprise tickets are valid for the Dart as far as Pearse.

    So for instance you're saying that tickets on the Rosslare/Connolly train are valid for the Luas/Dublin Bus from Connolly to the City Centre and Heuston - this is news to me.

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  • #36
    GerardKeating
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    So for instance you're saying that tickets on the Rosslare/Connolly train are valid for the Luas/Dublin Bus from Connolly to the City Centre and Heuston - this is news to me.

    I was in Galway a few years back, trying to book a Galway-Raheny ticket, the giy said it was possible, but the machine would not let him.


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  • #37
    lawred2
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    So for instance you're saying that tickets on the Rosslare/Connolly train are valid for the Luas/Dublin Bus from Connolly to the City Centre and Heuston - this is news to me.

    Connolly is the city centre no?


  • #38
    Del.Monte
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Connolly is the city centre no?

    Hardly. It's only slightly better situated than Belfast Central which has the FREE service into the heart of the city.

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  • #39
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    So for instance you're saying that tickets on the Rosslare/Connolly train are valid for the Luas/Dublin Bus from Connolly to the City Centre and Heuston - this is news to me.

    No, I'm clearly just saying that for the Enterprise the Belfast Central to Great Vic St free transfer is mirrored at this end by free transfers from Connolly to Tara or Pearse. Some people possibly not be aware so may be handy for them.

    I think translink only do this (the free train transfer) for the Enterprise line, same as we only do it for the Enterprise. Although all their other lines seem to call at both GVS and BC.


  • #40
    Del.Monte
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    No, I'm clearly just saying that for the Enterprise the Belfast Central to Great Vic St free transfer is mirrored at this end by free transfers from Connolly to Tara or Pearse. Some people possibly not be aware so may be handy for them.

    I think translink only do this (the free train transfer) for the Enterprise line, same as we only do it for the Enterprise. Although all their other lines seem to call at both GVS and BC.

    Well, it's not worth falling out over, but I took the implication from your post was that things were done the same in Dublin as they have been in Belfast for years. This is clearly not the case and CIE have had the cheek to charge people extra for a very poor service for years using double deckers (before the No.90 route) and even now the transfer Connolly - City Centre - Heuston is charged for on top of your rail fare.

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  • #41
    lawred2
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Hardly. It's only slightly better situated than Belfast Central which has the FREE service into the heart of the city.

    Has the City Centre moved? It's about a 5 minute walk to O Connell Street :/


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  • #42
    lawred2
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Well, it's not worth falling out over, but I took the implication from your post was that things were done the same in Dublin as they have been in Belfast for years. This is clearly not the case and CIE have had the cheek to charge people extra for a very poor service for years using double deckers (before the No.90 route) and even now the transfer Connolly - City Centre - Heuston is charged for on top of your rail fare.

    Well this is Ireland.


  • #43
    MGWR
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    bk wrote: »
    Having said that I think we could have the best public transport system in the world and you would still have trouble convincing many Irish motorists out of their cars. While Dublin's public transport could obviously be improved, I actually think it is pretty decent. I fell many motorists simply use "poor public transport" as an excuse to continue sitting in their car.

    Which is why increasingly we will just have to ban cars from our cities and give more of the road space over to public transport, walking and cycling and just take the car option off the plate.
    Banning cars is just pure Luddism. It solves nothing, and it makes cities less viable as commercial hubs, not to mention actually generating less revenue for infrastructure if cars are forced to cease operation. And from my experience, wider city streets are far more friendly to both pedestrians and cyclists than closing off arteries to all except those.

    I have been reading many comments on various forums and newspaper comments sections over the years about the continued degrading of mass transport (sorry, but I hate the term "public" transport) and how it has actually forced a lot of people into motorcars. So it is a problem indeed with the mass transport culture, and commuters and shoppers have literally voted with their feet as far as what manner of rubber-tyred transport they need, not a bandwagon over desire to drive versus other means. Never mind the dearth of steel-wheeled transport that this forum is concerned with, which apart from a few miles of Luas here and there continues to shrink.


  • #44
    bk
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    MGWR wrote: »
    Banning cars is just pure Luddism. It solves nothing, and it makes cities less viable as commercial hubs, not to mention actually generating less revenue for infrastructure if cars are forced to cease operation. And from my experience, wider city streets are far more friendly to both pedestrians and cyclists than closing off arteries to all except those.

    As in stands only 19% of shoppers who shop in Dublin City Center got their by car. The vast majority (81%) get their by walking, cycling and public transport.

    Most other major cities in Europe have banned or highly restricted cars from their core city centers and as a result they are doing extremely well with massive increases in retail and tourism as a result.

    The truth is cars are already lost to the city and aren't important to it. Driving a car into Dublin city center already sucks, between the congestion and high parking costs. If a person wants to shop by car they are already choosing to go to Blanchardstown or Dundrum. And really nothing can be done about that due to the reality of the very limited street space in the city. Their simply is no more room for more cars.

    The truth is people who shop in the city center do so because they want something a bit different from the boring surburban shopping centers. They want to walk around nice old buildings with nice architecture, etc. But they certainly don't want to do it with a bunch of crappy old Diesel cars puffing cancer causing fumes into their faces.

    I can absolutely guarantee you, the more streets pedestrianised in Dublin, the more business retailers will do.

    I had a friend who use to own a shop on South William Street. One weekend Dublin City Council didn't an experiment, they closed the street for a few days, made it walking only. Surprise surprise my friend made 3 times as many sales that weekend as the weekend before, she had never been so busy. Everyone who came in said they loved the street this way.

    Every business in Dublin knows that more pedestrianisation and public transport will bring more business for them. The problem is their voices are drowned out by the big companies who own car parks and make a lot of money off that.

    And of course, that ignores the hundreds of thousands of people who live in the city center. Don't they deserve to have a say? Do they have a right to walk the streets with without cars puffing pollution into their faces?


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