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Why is there no "real position" for Dublin Bus?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,727 ✭✭✭✭ coylemj


    ED E wrote: »
    I'm 10-15m from the point of entry(3 routes) so RTPI shows services that should run and then they disappear when the server notices its a few minutes past schedule and the driver hasn't checked in (probably called in sick 2hrs earlier).

    The alternative is that the system shows no bus at all until it departs the terminus.

    And they don't automatically disappear from RTPI just because the bus is not running.....

    I was in Deansgrange once, waiting for an 84 which was scheduled to depart from Newcastle (Co. Wicklow) at 17:10. RTPI claimed that it would arrive at the stop at Grange Motors at 18:30 heading to Blackrock and I was at the stop at about 18:20. The time kept stepping down until with 2 minutes to go, it disappeared and the bus never turned up. For well over an hour it was on the system as a phantom bus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ smackyB


    DaCor wrote: »
    Request the dataset through data.gov.ie

    There's an option to "suggest a dataset"

    The team behind it are quite pro-active in following up with dataset owners.

    Failing that, FOI the internal policy that prevents them from opening it up.

    Lastly, use AIE request to allow for accurate calculation and estimations of emissions data on bus routes.

    That last one, EU legislation makes it difficult to refuse.

    Pretty much all of the above is free of charge to a point so the only thing you need to do is spend some time

    Ok suggestion made, give it a like and maybe it will get some traction but I won't be holding my breath.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ smackyB


    Very quick reply from them, fair play:

    "The National Transport Authority (NTA) don’t have a feed for bus positions at the moment but currently have a tender out which includes this requirement. They estimate that are about 9-12 months away from being in a position to publish Dublin Bus real-time vehicle positions. When they do publish it, it will include Dublin Bus, Bus Eireann and Go-Ahead routes initially"


  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭ defrule


    I dont believe Dublin bus on this one. The Bus Eireann buses around cork city can have their positions checked online, i used to do this alot last year when i was commuting on the bus, it would show its location on the street on a map.

    May I ask how you can track BE buses online via website? I can only seem to find the realtime info but not map location of buses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭ bebeman


    I imagine it will be classed as commercially sensitive information and it will not be made public.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,566 ✭✭✭✭ RobbingBandit


    Should be easy enough to set up a real time gps tracking app.

    Dublin bus is like the cologne in Anchor Man works 100% of the time 60% of the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 492 ✭✭ Gerrup Outta Dat!


    HailO manage a similarly strategy. Why can’t DB?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    The ghost buses are bad and the "3 min" staying on the board for 10 minutes and then turning into "4 min" are nearly worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,254 ✭✭✭✭ Muahahaha


    smackyB wrote: »
    Very quick reply from them, fair play:

    "The National Transport Authority (NTA) don’t have a feed for bus positions at the moment but currently have a tender out which includes this requirement. They estimate that are about 9-12 months away from being in a position to publish Dublin Bus real-time vehicle positions. When they do publish it, it will include Dublin Bus, Bus Eireann and Go-Ahead routes initially"

    Great to hear it is on the way. As others have said I find that RTP1 work 90-95% of the time. But when it does not work it is infuriating. If the taxi apps can show you where exactly a taxi is on a map then there is no reason why Dublin Bus cannot do the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭ prinzeugen


    London had realtime location stuff in 1975..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AFAy1ROfEw (long into, part 1)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6Txpa-Eq8 (part 2)

    They knew were every bus was and turned around some services to suit.

    Dublin Bus make the Luxton & District look like a serious outfit sometimes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,683 ✭✭✭✭ punisher5112


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    London had realtime location stuff in 1975..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AFAy1ROfEw (long into, part 1)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6Txpa-Eq8 (part 2)

    They knew were every bus was and turned around some services to suit.

    Dublin Bus make the Luxton & District look like a serious outfit sometimes.

    Db had it in 80s


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    There was a website some lad set up with a map that tracked all Dublin buses based on RTPI, it was actually more useful than RTPI


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 492 ✭✭ Gerrup Outta Dat!


    If a gps, tomtom or satnav in the car can count down the distance by road, then I see no reason why this can’t be incorporated into DB.

    Why can’t you track the position of the bus like you can track the position of a taxi in Uber?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭ Outkast_IRE


    defrule wrote: »
    May I ask how you can track BE buses online via website? I can only seem to find the realtime info but not map location of buses.

    Its a bit of a workaround - so if you pick your bus stop on the website below.

    http://www.buseireann.ie/inner.php?id=403

    For my example i will pick "St. Patrick St (Brown Thomas B) - [243491]" For the 214 bus.

    It will then take you to a page with departures on it - in the drop down menu go to view arrivals . this will then show you the buses that are on the way to your stop.
    If you hit view on one of these buses - it tells you what stop it is at or has just left.
    Below that is a map which updates every few seconds


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ harringtonp


    DaCor wrote: »
    Request the dataset through data.gov.ie

    There's an option to "suggest a dataset"

    The team behind it are quite pro-active in following up with dataset owners.

    Failing that, FOI the internal policy that prevents them from opening it up.

    Lastly, use AIE request to allow for accurate calculation and estimations of emissions data on bus routes.

    That last one, EU legislation makes it difficult to refuse.

    Pretty much all of the above is free of charge to a point so the only thing you need to do is spend some time

    It's a year and a half later but just came across this and have made a submission:

    https://data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/aa0f432b-e741-4d65-aaee-6a772efde7b6

    If a few likes will give this some momentum, they would be much appreciated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ harringtonp


    Actually guys, how are the real time predictions behaving these days ? Are there still many "ghost" buses ?

    I gather from some of the app review comments I've read that there have been some real time API outages of late.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,967 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    It's a year and a half later but just came across this and have made a submission:

    https://data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/aa0f432b-e741-4d65-aaee-6a772efde7b6

    If a few likes will give this some momentum, they would be much appreciated.

    I clicked on the like button and added a comment but i have no idea if they actually registered. the site doesn't give any indication.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ harringtonp


    Looks like it has registered, see

    https://data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/aa0f432b-e741-4d65-aaee-6a772efde7b6

    You may need to refresh the page, I did.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,967 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    Cool. Hopefully the new service will be better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭ Technocentral


    How does Luas work, same system?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ harringtonp


    Yes for example for the stop in Rialto next departures are at

    https://data.smartdublin.ie/cgi-bin/rtpi/realtimebusinformation?stopid=LUAS13&format=json

    And the stop details at

    https://data.smartdublin.ie/cgi-bin/rtpi/busstopinformation?stopid=LUAS13&format=json

    Apps take these calls and present them to you in a nice format but as far as I know all derive from the same source


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 17,660 CMod ✭✭✭✭ The Black Oil


    I don't get the bus as much as I used to. A few times with the 33 at Abbey St it was running late, but the sign wouldn't tell you. It would simply roll on automatically and tell you the next bus was due in 59 minutes. Useless carry on, then the scheduled 33 would turn up after a while. Seems like an inflexible system. On the other hand, I've been waiting for a 145 or 46A clearly delayed, but at least it seems to refresh and say 7 minutes, or whatever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭ Technocentral


    Yes for example for the stop in Rialto next departures are at

    https://data.smartdublin.ie/cgi-bin/rtpi/realtimebusinformation?stopid=LUAS13&format=json

    And the stop details at

    https://data.smartdublin.ie/cgi-bin/rtpi/busstopinformation?stopid=LUAS13&format=json

    Apps take these calls and present them to you in a nice format but as far as I know all derive from the same source

    Ok everyone seems to use it, wondering why the OP singled out DB.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ harringtonp


    It's a year and a half later but just came across this and have made a submission:

    https://data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/aa0f432b-e741-4d65-aaee-6a772efde7b6

    If a few likes will give this some momentum, they would be much appreciated.

    Background on why this feed would be useful at

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=809794042730067&id=485305331845608


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Phibsboro



    Fascinating stuff


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