Eubank Jr - Yildirim, Crolla - Burns, Cyclone Card etc

HigginsJ

walshb wrote: »

Smith and Froch desperately making up sh1t to disguise this mediocrity.

Desperately struggling for things at this point as well

Boooourns

HigginsJ wrote: »

This Crolla vs Burns fight is very poor fair. A real lack of quality so far.

Its an absolute con job by Eddie, a cash out for both fighters.

Big Ears

The worst thing about watching Crolla fights is the cheerleading from the Sky commentary.
They present him as the second coming of Sugar Ray Leonard...

HigginsJ

"Busy" The only word Froch can come up with to cover up for the dross going on.

Burial.

Inb4 draw and "instant classic" verdict and immediate rematch for bragging rights in a titanic domestic rivalry :rolleyes:

walshb

Gatt-Ward not a patch on this.

megadodge

I'm not really sure what all of ye were expecting?

For what it's worth, I think it's a decent fight, better than I expected anyway.

qwabercd

Only watching since the sixth round but think it's been a decent scrap. They're both obviously very limited but we all knew that. I'm enjoying it anyway.

walshb

I was expecting dirt. And got it...I'm happy...

HigginsJ

megadodge wrote: »

I'm not really sure what all of ye were expecting?

For what it's worth, I think it's a decent fight, better than I expected anyway.

Jesus, your expectations must have been shockingly low :P I'd have expected a lot better from 2 former world champs who still view themselves as having a shot at that level. It's a poor quality, domestic level fight (with one or two bits of actual quality from Burns)

walshb

HigginsJ wrote: »

Jesus, your expectations must have been shockingly low :P I'd have expected a lot better from 2 former world champs who still view themselves as having a shot at that level. It's a poor quality, domestic level fight (with one or two bits of actual quality from Burns)

My views on these two are well known.

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

I'm not really sure what all of ye were expecting?

For what it's worth, I think it's a decent fight, better than I expected anyway.

It actually has got a bit better, once Burns realised he had to come forward and started
throwing some left hooks.

Still tame enough though.

walshb

It's the one dimensional pace pitter patter back and forth nothing type of fight.

Burial.

Crolla by 2 but draw is inevitable right? Even Smith is pushing for it already.

qwabercd

Froch gave too many rounds to burns imo.

walshb

I didn’t score it but hard to argue it for Burns..

Crolla won it on ??

I don’t even really know..

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I didn’t score it but hard to argue it for Burns..

Crolla won it on ??

I don’t even really know..

I didn't bother scoring (properly) either, but thought Burns won the last 3 and the 1st. Probably not that hard to find 3 more for him.

walshb

Just caught the Eubank fight. He looked very impressive, albeit against a bit of a punchbag. He really put the shots together fluidly..plus, he’s looking like a SMW fighter. I am still backing him to do a number on Groves. He’s by far the more complete fighter.

Forgot to mention, anyone else think the Sky camera angles last night for the Crolla fight were sh1t?

Sweet Science

Eubank really has star quality.

Will be interesting to see if his chin holds up against Groves because he does get hit quite often.

Morrison J

Impressive stuff from Eubank winning how he did although very disappointed with Yildirim. Thought he'd be a lot tougher and he's usually a lot more compact of a fighter from what I've seen. Chin completely in the air for that KO.

Groves - Eubank is a fantastic fight. I'm still siding with Groves as the more polished fighter with a jab that should give Eubank fits but their styles should clash brilliantly.

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

I am still backing him to do a number on Groves. He’s by far the more complete fighter.

How?? No chance he's the more complete fighter. Eubank is good but he's wild to say the least at times. Has a lot of flaws, especially defensively. Groves a far more polished fighter.

Eubank's combinations look impressive against a flat-footed fighter like Yildirim. I'm looking forward to seeing them against a big puncher who uses angles like Groves. Eubank is very very open defensively and he hasn't faced a big puncher.

If he can take the fight to the latter rounds then the fight gets very interesting as Groves will gas hard no doubt.

walshb

Groves is a boxer. Eubank more the fighter. Better inside game, can fight close, in the pocket and long range. He's simply a more instinctive fighter. Groves is not instinctive. He's thought out, planned and methodical...

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

Groves is a boxer. Eubank more the fighter. Better inside game, can fight close, in the pocket and long range. He's simply a more instinctive fighter. Groves is not instinctive. He's thought out, planned and methodical...

But Groves has shown he can do both and against far better opposition. He fought off instinct for the majority of the Froch I and Chudinov fights for example.

A "complete fighter" in my eyes is someone astute both offensively and defensively. I think Groves is probably more solid in both areas tbh.

walshb

Well, for me the poise and fighter look and control lie with Eubank. Something raggedy and messy about Groves, and more so when under stress..similar to Khan. Not quite as bad, but similar.

This fight, if we get it will remind me somewhat of SRL-Hearns 1..

Hearns the perceived boxer-puncher against the boxer, Leonard.

Here I think Eubank will show the complete boxer-fighter/puncher ala SRL, and Groves will be the more boxer boxer...ending up hanging on to survive..

It will be Eubank that turns out to be the better puncher..just like SRL in 1981. With GG resembling Hearns down the stretch. Searching for hope and ideas when it dawns that I can’t KO this kid, all the while not possessing enough of the resilience and toughness and fighters’ instinct to survive and win.

Burial.

Eubank's stamina advantage will be key I think. Groves will obviously look to start strong and make good dents but Eubank's stamina and intensity is through the roof and if Groves can't find a way to take the wind out of him Eubank will pillar him as Groves starts to tire himself.

Sweet Science

Morrison J wrote: »

But Groves has shown he can do both and against far better opposition. He fought off instinct for the majority of the Froch I and Chudinov fights for example.

A "complete fighter" in my eyes is someone astute both offensively and defensively. I think Groves is probably more solid in both areas tbh.

Would have to agree - although the 2 of them are coming up against there worst type of opponent imo . Its what makes it so good

Morrison J

Burial. wrote: »

Eubank's stamina advantage will be key I think. Groves will obviously look to start strong and make good dents but Eubank's stamina and intensity is through the roof and if Groves can't find a way to take the wind out of him Eubank will pillar him as Groves starts to tire himself.

Aye always the case with Groves isn't it. Do think McGuigan has him being a bit more efficient with his energy but he's going to have to be active from the bell against Eubank who won't give him a second. Latter rounds will be very tough for Groves. Don't think Eubank has the power to knock him out but via accumulation against the ropes I can definitely see.

I think Groves can get to him early too though with how Eubank lunges and leaves himself completely open.

It's a tremendous clash of styles.

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

Well, for me the poise and fighter look and control lie with Eubank. Something raggedy and messy about Groves, and more so when under stress..similar to Khan. Not quite as bad, but similar.

This fight, if we get it will remind me somewhat of SRL-Hearns 1..

Hearns the perceived boxer-puncher against the boxer, Leonard.

Here I think Eubank will show the complete boxer-fighter/puncher ala SRL, and Groves will be the more boxer boxer...ending up hanging on to survive..

It will be Eubank that turns out to be the better puncher..just like SRL in 1981. With GG resembling Hearns down the stretch. Searching for hope and ideas when it dawns that I can’t KO this kid, all the while not possessing enough of the resilience and toughness and fighters’ instinct to survive and win.

You may well be right . However Eubank junior has beaten and fought nobody of note . BJS aside who is a poor and a weight below .

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

You may well be right . However Eubank junior has beaten and fought nobody of note . BJS aside who is a poor and a weight below .

I agree. He hasn't fought to the same level that Groves has. But, Groves lost three times at the elite level....

His win over DeGale was not an elite fight, and even in that he was hanging in quite a bit I felt....

So, when all is factored in he is a loser at elite level.

Eubank for me is on the up and improving. Groves is still Groves. I always felt that he was vulnerable...

Eubank oozes a lot more confidence and in your face attitude and belief. Plus, I think he's a tough tough man with a very good chin. I reckon Groves does not make it to the final bell. Eubank takes the punches better, and IMO he has enough SMW power to dent Groves.

Sweet Science

I am not as sold as you on Eubanks chin . I think he could be in for a big wake up call if he gets caught flush from Groves.

Great fight however - its the one im looking forward to the most .

Once Groves wins on Sat of course.