Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

_Dara_

Billy86 wrote: »

It's been largely covered, basically your career would be ruined, your name in general driven through the mud, and quite likely you would be taken to court because what legal aid can an out of work actress afford compared to the hundreds of millions (or even billions if bandied together because Weinstein is far from the only one) of dollars these guys?

Terry Crews, a 240lb former NFL linebacker who pops up randomly in a lot of things covered the shame aspect of it too, since he got sexually assaulted by a Hollywood bigwig but new there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

I think there’s an added element when a man is assaulted in that it can make them feel emasculated on top of everything else. That must be so hard to deal with.

Just came across this ( apologies if already posted)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/02/roman-polanski-on-case-sentence-as-far-as-what-i-did-its-over

“As you know, Samantha Geimer has been asking for over 30 years for this thing to end,” Polanski said to the Hollywood Reporter. “But, I’m sorry the judges who dealt with it the last 40 years were corrupted, one covering for the other. So I don’t [sic] maybe one of them will [eventually] stop doing it.”

The balls on this nonce

:rolleyes:

Billy86

Suckit wrote: »

Yep, People control the money, but i do not believe that the accountants or whoever are mentioned in that list are those people.

Chinese are also going after Africa, but that is a different story.

Nah, China (particularly Wanda Group) are buying out Hollywood at a fast rate and are also on the brink of becoming the biggest box office market having been a smaller one than New Zealand in 2002. The Chinese box office out earns France (and about six former colonies that share it's official box office figures), Germany, the UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy and Spain combined. About 20% of all box office dollars earned last year were made from the Chinese market (the US is the biggest at about 30% but stagnant for years and on a slow decline) and apparently China has made another large leap forward this year - if was ahead of the US before summer I believe.

The accountants don't have much say ultimately other than to follow the trends set by others and picked up on by audiences, but that's not what those guys mentioned are - they are producers, which is a very different and hugely varies role more easily summarised as "person who gets sh*t done", be it setting budgets, acquiring funding (a whole different area to accountancy), acquiring talent (hence this whole mess of a scandal), securing locations, coordinating the pre/post production and shooting phases and schedules, and on and on.

China also already gets to dictate how quite a few Hollywood movies are made already on the basis that they'll refuse to screen them otherwise (only 32 non Chinese films are released in China per year) which has led to recuts and script changes to a number of Hollywood films in recent years. The reason the Fast and Furious and Transformers movies break so many records and make so much money is China, and being part of those 32 allotted movies. It's also the reason why we get so many generic, same-same action movies - because an English language rom com or drama just won't translate with that audience very well. This is also why the rom-com and most dramas have been dying a slow death for a decade and are virtually nonexistent at the top of the annual charts anymore, and the Chinese government being likely take issues with some cultural bits doesn't help), and why more movies are being made in China in the last 2-3 or so years (which should help explain that awful looking Great Wall movie with Matt Damon from the start of the year ).

The rise of the Chinese box office is absolutely crazy, it's unlike anything that industry (or almost any industry!) has ever seen. They've also gone from having considerably less cinema screens than the UK to having more than the US and Canada combined in a span of less than 15 years (over 40,000).



Anyway I went off on a bit of a tangent altogether there, but the movie industry is absolutely controlled by people who control the purse strings - but counting beans isn't how they control them. I mean Max and Harvey Weinstein got to the top of Hollywood by buying unknown movies really cheap and often completely recutting them into something more marketable (them and New Line were the major players in the 1990s independents explosion doing this - My Left Foot, Crying Game, Quentin Tarantino, Good Will Hunting etc etc). In other words, they (as is the case with many a producer) were directly involved with the creative process.

Ulysses Gaze

Jake1 wrote: »

Just came across this ( apologies already posed)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/02/roman-polanski-on-case-sentence-as-far-as-what-i-did-its-over

“As you know, Samantha Geimer has been asking for over 30 years for this thing to end,” Polanski said to the Hollywood Reporter. “But, I’m sorry the judges who dealt with it the last 40 years were corrupted, one covering for the other. So I don’t [sic] maybe one of them will [eventually] stop doing it.”

The balls on this nonce

:rolleyes:

It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m

By his own admission, Polanski has always been drawn to girls in their teens. He met his current wife, Emmanuelle Seigner, when she was 19 and he was 52. In his autobiography, Roman, he speaks candidly of going to bed with 15-year-old girls as a grown man. And when he describes the girls, “all between 16 and 19 years old,” who visited him in the late ‘60s while he was grieving the death of his second wife, Sharon Tate, (“not necessarily to make love — although some of them did”) he writes that they were “more beautiful, in a natural, coltish way, than they ever would be again.” Whenever he writes about this attraction,

Polanski tends to paint the teen girl in question as a mature, fully grown human being who just happens to be fresher and more natural and more beautiful than adult women are.

Teen girls have the power in the situation, he writes, and he is just a weak man, helpless against their charms — as he seems to believe is true of all men. “Judges want to **** young girls,” he told Martin Ames in 1979. “Juries want to **** young girls — everyone wants to **** young girls!” The idea that teenage girls might be children, and that not everyone wants to **** them, doesn’t seem to have occurred to him.

Suckit

Now we go into songwriters and 'how famous must one be, to escape a paedophilia charge?'

Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones and many others all wrote about having sex with young girls, and even their biographies enter quite graphic detail.

Ulysses Gaze

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m

Jaze... Pizzagate not looking so out of the realms of possibility anymore

Sheeps

Weinstein deserves to be castrated, but people on social media seem to be in full on social justice warrior mode at the minute. The amount of condescending videos out there aimed men in general, as if we're all perverts is beyond belief. Condescending steps of how to not rape people and the like. Just beyond silly. Feels like you need to lawyer up to even talk to women these days.

5ive

Excuse my nosiness but all the 'rumours' and 'alleged'-ness about various people...... is there a general source or just Google the specific names? Alot of the bits being mentioned here are news to me! I Googled 'hollywood rumours' 'hollywood whispers' etc.... but got mostly 20th century stuff.

I think the whole thing is and will be, pretty identical to the Catholic Church scandals. It's too much of a juggernaut to truly take it to task with too many powerful names and their lawyers involved.
Weinstein will go to rehab for 6 months make a big donation and apology and all will be forgiven.

I'd love to be proven wrong though!

Suckit

5ive wrote: »

Excuse my nosiness but all the 'rumours' and 'alleged'-ness about various people...... is there a general source or just Google the specific names?

Search “baby groupies”
Sable Starr etc..

Noel82

Ben Affleck, the virtue signalling extraordinaire. There's another video of him on TRL grabbing some chicks boob.

retro:electro

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m

I just read all of that and it's so disturbing. I always knew what happened but to hear his words, so unapologetic and sanguine... To think that Meryl and co stood and applauded this beast is just beyond disgusting. No morals. Money talks. Fcuk everything else.
Absolute shame on them. Zero integrity.

_Dara_

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m

anna080 wrote: »

I just read all of that and it's so disturbing. To think that Meryl and co stood and applauded this beast is just beyond disgusting. No morals. Money talks. Fcuk everything else.
Absolute shame on them. Zero integrity.

Yeah, I’ve read that about him before. He was in a relationship with Nastassja Kinski that started when she was only 15 and he was 43.

Suckit

Tallaght Times wrote: »

Also I don't think the comparison with the groupie scene of the 70s with Wesintein today is fair. Men like Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, David Bowie were the gods of their era, they were on every girl's bedroom wall and so the groupies wanted to be with them.

I don't think any girls want to be with gross creepy old movie producers.

I think the point is............. That an 11, 12 or 13 year old girl, even up to 15 is not up to making their own decisions.. (I believe the law may be 17)
Rolf Harris is (to my knowledge) locked up for grossly feeling up more than one 16 year old, ( I use that age, because i think that she was the youngest, i could be massively mistaken).
Gross in your opinion or not, while i do get where you are coming from, they took advantage of very young girls. When you start to think that they did not, that is where the trouble begins.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yeah, I’ve read that about him before. He was in a relationship with Nastassja Kinski that started when she was only 15 and he was 43.

We should probably start phrasing things to more accurately reflect their reality. He wasn't in a relationship with a 15 year old, he was a middle aged sexual predator exploiting his position of power over a teenager.

He's a sickening person.

Venom

Noel82 wrote: »

Ben Affleck, the virtue signalling extraordinaire. There's another video of him on TRL grabbing some chicks boob.

The actress in that clip claims its taken completely out of context.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anne-marie-losique-says-her-ben-affleck-interview-is-being-taken-context-1047745

"The Canadian TV personality, a singer and owner of Vanessa Media, told The Hollywood Reporter that the interview was an act. "This was for the camera," she said. "You have to understand that we have done dozens and dozens of interviews like that. It was for a show I was producing, so I was not at all a victim. When the cameras rolled, we would start to do that game. As soon as it stopped rolling, there was none of that. He never touched me in any improper way. He was very respectful, I must say."

Junkyard Tom

Tallaght Times wrote: »

Nothing wrong with finding teen girls alluring (and nothing wrong with having sex with them once their over the consent age).

Unless it's some middle-aged ****er slobbering over your seventeen year-old niece/sister, right? Then you're going to be clenching your fists, aren't you? Or would you be sitting there agreeing with Mr Lecher saying 'fair play to you'.



They mostly come out at night, mostly.

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Venom wrote: »

The actress in that clip claims its taken completely out of context.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anne-marie-losique-says-her-ben-affleck-interview-is-being-taken-context-1047745

"The Canadian TV personality, a singer and owner of Vanessa Media, told The Hollywood Reporter that the interview was an act. "This was for the camera," she said. "You have to understand that we have done dozens and dozens of interviews like that. It was for a show I was producing, so I was not at all a victim. When the cameras rolled, we would start to do that game. As soon as it stopped rolling, there was none of that. He never touched me in any improper way. He was very respectful, I must say."

Well then, shame on whoever posted it as real news.

ceadaoin.

Jake1 wrote: »

Just came across this ( apologies if already posted)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/02/roman-polanski-on-case-sentence-as-far-as-what-i-did-its-over

“As you know, Samantha Geimer has been asking for over 30 years for this thing to end,” Polanski said to the Hollywood Reporter. “But, I’m sorry the judges who dealt with it the last 40 years were corrupted, one covering for the other. So I don’t [sic] maybe one of them will [eventually] stop doing it.”

The balls on this nonce

:rolleyes:

Samantha Geimer did an AMA on Reddit a while ago and the way she speaks of Polanski is quite disturbing. She seems to think he is being persecuted and the he is the victim in all of this

5ive

Tallaght Times wrote: »

Depends. In Spain it's legal to have sex with a 13 year old. I don't for second think Jimmy Page was taking advantage because the girls that came to him saw him as an idol. They wanted to be with him, not like he had to force himself on them.

And I really don't think young women heading to LA in to be groupies in 1973 were super sweet angels who had no idea what they were getting into.

I agree... I was obsessed with a band when in my early teens and would have done ANYTHING required of me if I met them..... even though I didn't even understand anything beyond kissing at the time.
The onus is on the older person to have some sort of moral code; but I'm sure the drugs available in the 70s would have clouded alot of sense too.

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Times change. When bill wyman, at 47, started dating the 13 year old Mandy Smith - who he subsequently married - it was frowned upon but not seen as reprehensible as it would be today.

In any case the charges against Weinstein are mostly sexual harassment of adults

Suckit

Tallaght Times wrote: »

Depends. In Spain it's legal to have sex with a 13 year old. I don't for second think Jimmy Page was taking advantage because the girls that came to him saw him as an idol. They wanted to be with him, not like he had to force himself on them.

And I really don't think young women heading to LA in to be groupies in 1973 were super sweet angels who had no idea what they were getting into.

Whether or nor i agree with you is not the point.
We would both treading on very thin ice if we were to say that if a14 year old girl does want sex she should have it. If it was the 1970's or the 1790's or a different Country.
For the larger part i understand what you are saying and i do not disagree, but when they brought in the law, it is now to be frowned upon. There are many (David Icke forum ---- Yiikkkeess!!!) names mentioned that may or may not have been breaking laws. It is presumed, if a child has sex, that they do not have the capability to decide it (which i agree with).
Then a child is by law presumed a victim. (correctly).

It is just hard to say if when to prosecute. The 70's? If not, the 60's? Or the 50's?


If David Bowie had a group of girls/Women, why choose a 13 year old?

It would be completely naive of me to assume that 14 year old girls and boys are not having sex today.

But i would be repulsed if I knew a 20+ or especially a 30+ year old that had sex with them.

Junkyard Tom

Tallaght Times wrote: »

You're telling me you don't take notice of good looking you ones when you're out and about? Or are you going to pretend you're some kind of sexless puritan?

Noticing a young person's prettiness is not the same as wanting to ride them to them, lots of fashion models are girls under the age of consent, aren't they?

Suckit

Tallaght Times wrote: »

If you're telling me you don't find a 16 year old girl sexually attractive (especially when she's out in her provocative attire) then you're a liar or a homosexual.

Or a parent.

retro:electro

Tallaght Times wrote: »

If you're telling me you don't find a 16 year old girl sexually attractive (especially when she's out in her provocative attire) then you're a liar or a homosexual.

You don't get to speak for other people, nor do you get to degrade and insult them when they don't conform to your perverse desires.

Suckit

Tallaght Times wrote: »

Yeah you suddenly lose your sex drive when you become a father. Yeah I believe that.

No, but the reality of how naive a teenager is, might make you realise that you are taking advantage.
Our pictures are not on teenagers walls, and we are not perceived as Gods. If we were to have sex (or even try) with them, it would probably not be consentual. (Even if an under 17 year old could give consent).

Junkyard Tom

Tallaght Times wrote: »

If you're telling me you don't find a 16 year old girl sexually attractive (especially when she's out in her provocative attire) then you're a liar or a homosexual.

Attraction is different to sexuality and beauty. Attraction is a combination of many factors. I'd say the vast majority of men are not motivated solely by their libidinal instincts.

Billy86

Tallaght Times wrote: »

That's what's I've been saying. Me or you or the average dude has no chance with fit young ones unless we rape, which is totally wrong.

Ehh, what??

RobertKK

CNN questioning Hillary Clinton and the Obamas in saying they didn't know about Weinstein when it was an open secret in Hollywood and they are very close to Hollywood.

ceadaoin.

Apparently 3 more people are about to exposed as abusers - dan Schneider, the Nickelodeon producer that everyone knows about, Bryan singer and a "billionaire Mogul"

Billy86

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Apparently 3 more people are about to exposed as abusers - dan Schneider, the Nickelodeon producer that everyone knows about, Bryan singer and a "billionaire Mogul"

Good, the worry is this would stop with Weinstein while the others would hold their places and get others to keep quiet. Singer's is one of the worst kept secrets in Hollywood, it's even a prominent part of his Wikipedia page. A shame when I saw it since I've never been into superhero movies that much but really liked his X-Men films dating back to 2000, but something about his accusations strike me as probably being quite accurate... and they're even worse than Weinstein's. Children involved and often quite violent, by the sounds of it.