Discovery 1x03 – "Context is for Kings" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

As last week, this episode is airing on CBS this evening at 20:30 EST and should be available on Irish Netflix from 08:00 Irish time on Monday morning.

Warning: This thread will contain spoilers for the episode "Context is for Kings". Spoiler tags will not be used, so if you don't want to be spoiled read no further.

somuj

I liked this episode. Thought the Alice in Wonderland rant was a bit daft. Liking the new captain and dark feel about him.

Is that kitty kat a Klingon Targ?

_Kaiser_

Here we go.. episode 3:

- Still don't like the title sequence
- Is it the Discovery or the Pegasus? The entire sequence where Burnham is brought aboard to where she meets the Captain was very BSG. In fact the entire thing is very BSG
- More bad-lighting and moody atmospheres and interpersonal conflict
- I would have flushed roomie out of the nearest airlock
- Beatles reference? Alice in Wonderland? And yet all the **** The Orville gets for the pop-culture references.. hmmm!
- Reference to Amanda and Spock.. unnecessary really

It DID however improve noticeably after she returned from the Glenn, and Lorca shows her what he's up to. Must admit, that was a LOT more like it... As I said though, it's more BSG than Star Trek IMO

degrassinoel

Well it started off better than the pilot.

Adam Jensen from Deus Ex was the skinny convict, weak actor, excellent voice.
Shuttle pilot just ignored apparently? Whats the bets there's a backstory that Lorca set this up?

Commander Landry is Rekha Sharma from BSG, strong character so far.

First scene with Lorca makes it sound like a warship rather than a exploration vessel.

Black alert - came across like a scene from Lost, thanks JJ.

Saru is by far the strongest character in the show.

The timelapse cut in the lab was disorienting - i actually said wtf?

Immediately liked (science officer i guess) Lt Stamets, shuttle conversation was very cutting.

Away team mission was gruesome in just the right amount - the alice bit, was really contrived.

Saru "You were always a good officer, until you weren't!" LOL!

Discovery appears to be a Military R&D ship.

Was that a tribble in the captain's ready room? Yes, yes it was.

spore travel... i think they've just shown us the trump card they'll use to get out of any tight squeeze the ship gets itself into with that.


5/10

better than the pilot, but not by much. The writing is still pretty dire and there's the pandering to TOS etc.. with things like 'Tribbles. This is star trek trying it's best to be battlestar galactica when it should be star trek being star trek.

Sonics2k

I enjoyed episode 3 overall.

I actually like that they're developing the characters from the start and not shoveling it in in later seasons.

I'm really enjoying Captain Lorca. You can really tell this is the early days of the Federation. He's not a 'peacemaker' that Picard, Janeway or Sisko are many years in the future. You can see that he still has that internal old human belief of war.

I also liked in this scene that Lorca looks somewhat like a younger Picard, almost like a reflection of who Picard could have been should the war with the Klingons go differently.



We're not in the 'peaceful' days of the massively established and powerful federation, we're in the early days before they claim their place and take control of themselves.

hal9550

WELL!

Obvious issues: Canonical issues first - they cant do that, blah blah blah... This biological method of space travel didnt exist in TNG let alone TOS - 90 light years in 3 seconds - etc etc...

This is a DARK show.. IMHO Burnham is correct about captain Lorca, he is definitely above and beyond the 'principles of the UFP' - while i like Saru, i think Lorca is the best character -

But anyway - my opinion/theory is that this is a TV show about a Section 31 ship - Lorca and his Ethos has section 31 written all over it. He will do whatever it takes to win the war - regardless of starfleet regulations - Its Interstellar REALPOLITIK (I studied international relations and Realism/Offensive Neo-Realism certainly applies to his outlook)

and i WHOLE HEARTEDLY APPROVE folks - Im anxious to see where it goes and i am genuinely excited - if it is section 31 then its probably going to get a fair bit darker, and genuinely, last time Star Trek felt so dark was in the final season of DS9 -

Very interested to see what others have to say!

Episode 1: 4/10
Episode 2: 5/10
Episode 3: 7/10

corkie

Running around on the away mission, reminded me of Doctor Who, Monster of the week vibe! "Hello Kitty"!?

spore travel

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> Dark Matter's Blink Drive comes to mind!

FutureGuy

Strongest opening three episodes for any Star Trek series.

People sh!t all over it anyways.

_Kaiser_

FutureGuy wrote: »

Strongest opening three episodes for any Star Trek series.

People sh!t all over it anyways.

It may have had a strong opening (although personally I think they'd have been better off dumping the 2-part prologue and starting with Episode 3), but it remains to be seen whether it's Star Trek.

Star Trek has mostly been positive, optimistic with characters you can get behind. Even DS9 with its slightly darker and serialised format still fit this basic premise for the most part - some notable exceptions like In The Pale Moonlight notwithstanding.

Discovery however is a complete departure from this with a very unlikable main character (I feel), a crew that seems defined by their bickering more than anything (it's very Mirror Universe in that sense), changes for the sake of changes (eg: the Klingons), and the whole thing is just "edgy" cause that's apparently what TV drama is nowadays

That's not to say that it doesn't have the potential to be good in its own right, but as I've said it's definitely more BSG than Star Trek at this point.

Agent Coulson

Well went from a "Meh" first two episodes to an eh ok there maybe something here I'll give it a few more episodes.

Sonics2k

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It may have had a strong opening (although personally I think they'd have been better off dumping the 2-part prologue and starting with Episode 3), but it remains to be seen whether it's Star Trek.

Star Trek has mostly been positive, optimistic with characters you can get behind. Even DS9 with its slightly darker and serialised format still fit this basic premise for the most part - some notable exceptions like In The Pale Moonlight notwithstanding.

Discovery however is a complete departure from this with a very unlikable main character (I feel), a crew that seems defined by their bickering more than anything (it's very Mirror Universe in that sense), changes for the sake of changes (eg: the Klingons), and the whole thing is just "edgy" cause that's apparently what TV drama is nowadays

That's not to say that it doesn't have the potential to be good in its own right, but as I've said it's definitely more BSG than Star Trek at this point.

I will say that for all of it's faults, Enterprise did try and maintain the more optimistic view and it just didn't work out.

I think it's a good choice in many ways to try out a new angle, I think we can all agree that throughout Star Trek the most popular episodes are often tied to major events going on, from the Borg in TNG (and Voyager) to the Dominion invasion and Klingon conflict in DS9.

I do agree it's a bit more BSG at the moment, but I don't think that's an entirely bad thing, consider the first two seasons of BSG were great.

_Kaiser_

Sonics2k wrote: »

I will say that for all of it's faults, Enterprise did try and maintain the more optimistic view and it just didn't work out.

I think it's a good choice in many ways to try out a new angle, I think we can all agree that throughout Star Trek the most popular episodes are often tied to major events going on, from the Borg in TNG (and Voyager) to the Dominion invasion and Klingon conflict in DS9.

I do agree it's a bit more BSG at the moment, but I don't think that's an entirely bad thing, consider the first two seasons of BSG were great.

Absolutely.. BSG - till it got too down the rabbit-hole with the Final Five - was great.. but you wouldn't mistake it for Star Trek either is my point.

I also think that going with Burnham as the main focus a mistake.. Trek has always been an ensemble show and I don't like the idea of "disposable crew" we invest in only to see them killed off/written out arbitrarily, but the character is completely unlikable and I'm not impressed by the actress (never watched The Walking Dead so no baggage there!). I think Isaacs Lorca at least has a definite presence on the screen (ditto also Saru), but Burnham just seems to either pout or shout - and that's about it for range.

The second half of this latest episode (as I said above) was a noticeable step up... but that was mostly down to Burnham NOT being the main focus.

silverharp

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Absolutely.. BSG - till it got too down the rabbit-hole with the Final Five - was great.. but you wouldn't mistake it for Star Trek either is my point.

I also think that going with Burnham as the main focus a mistake.. Trek has always been an ensemble show and I don't like the idea of "disposable crew" we invest in only to see them killed off/written out arbitrarily, but the character is completely unlikable and I'm not impressed by the actress (never watched The Walking Dead so no baggage there!). I think Isaacs Lorca at least has a definite presence on the screen (ditto also Saru), but Burnham just seems to either pout or shout - and that's about it for range.

The second half of this latest episode (as I said above) was a noticeable step up... but that was mostly down to Burnham NOT being the main focus.

before it had started some people were accusing it of being Game of Thrones in space (or please don't let it be this way) . TWD is another show where they cull characters from time to time. There needs to be a core team of 4 or 5 that get their own episodes etc. and the show shouldn't be held together by an overpowered Mary Sue, that was never Star Trek. Characters like Spock or 7 of 9 always worked best as par of a team which was why they were likeable.

expectationlost

what was even happening when she went? to those different places?

IvySlayer

Personally I thought most of the episode was very boring. Particularly the first half.

I don't like Burnham, the CoS calling people trash and rats...

The whole black alert/combadge/secret mission is intriguing and the Captain seems interesting. Thought we would have a scene without Burnham with the Captain on the bridge but no she randomly pops up out of nowhere.

They just about avoided namedropping Spock!

James Brown

somuj wrote: »

I liked this episode. Thought the Alice in Wonderland rant was a bit daft. Liking the new captain and dark feel about him.

Is that kitty kat a Klingon Targ?

Good call. I reckon maybe. It seems separate from the experiment gone awry, mind you the captain was happy to have it in his possession. Maybe part of the experiment after all? But wouldn't explain the state the bodies were in, all John Carpenter's 'The Thing'.

IvySlayer

Wasn't there an organism that attacked the shuttle in the beginning, maybe related to that.

Or the spore travel thing is turning people into monsters like when Janeway/Paris turned into lizards :P

expectationlost

did they teleport a klingon hunting party aboard their ship including their prey?

sounds familiar....

Sarn

With the musical score, gruesomely disfigured bodies, black op science, I'm thinking Fringe in space. I like Star Trek and Fringe so no complaints here.

mewso

So far for me it's a weird show. I really can't decide if I like it or not. Every episode has good and bad. No matter what messing around you do with the Star Trek universe surely you could let Jason Isaacs use his native accent and add to a more international feel. Am I wrong in thinking it's been US accents all the way so far?

Pelvis

Quite enjoyed that episode.

That was great!

expectationlost

redhead character was silly

I like how Netflix have Klingon subtitles for it

Excellent episode. Definitely the strongest opening episodes of any Trek show. The new captain is great.

server down

I love it. I do take the point that it might have been better set in the future, not the past. The enemy could have been some new race. I suppose the only issue would have been that the future federation seems invincible.

Anyway this is dark Star Trek. So be it. Its a dark age for TV. Good, but dark

Avatar MIA

expectationlost wrote: »

redhead character was silly

I was thinking redhead was going to be the new red shirt on the first away mission.

Don't get spore travel... I hate when they back themselves into a corner like this. 10 years before enterprise and they're dabbling with far superior technology than displayed in later timelines.

But, enjoying it all the same.

Full_Circle_81

expectationlost wrote: »

what was even happening when she went? to those different places?

I was wondering that too. Was she seeing things the Spores saw? Was she actually ON those other planets? Felt like magic

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Don't get spore travel... I hate when they back themselves into a corner like this. 10 years before enterprise and they're dabbling with far superior technology than displayed in later timelines.

Is Discovery not set after Enterprise but before TOS? The more of this show I see, the more I feel like its in a completely different universe to the Prime one we are all familiar with. If only they called it a "reboot", it would be much easier to hand-wave away all these technological inconsistencies.

Johnny Storm

Maybe Discovery is set in the Mirror universe?

titan18

The main character is sort of ruining it for me. She's so annoying

AMKC

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Maybe Discovery is set in the Mirror universe?

There was talk that it was set in the Mirror Universe but I suppose since things are so different in it from the Prime time universe we all know and love you can say even pretend that it is in the Mirror universe or even an alternate universe if that makes it easier to watch and get into.

Optimus Prime

I really enjoyed this one , a lot more than the first two. Has to be a section 31 ship, maybe we are seeing the beginnings of that, being formed after the start of the war with the Klingons. The black emblem on the one guy. Star fleet officers with questionable morals. Seems to point to that.

Goodshape

Didn't love it!

The last 15 minutes were decent but otherwise I wasn't enjoying the tone or the pace. Dimly lit, militaristic despite lip service to the contrary, and every character – not just Burnham – seems to be upset about something or in conflict with someone.

I'd thought getting a little back to basics was a benefit of the time setting, but now we've got magic-mushroom transporters. Huh.

The prison-transport pilot at the start was just disposable I guess? Something something redshirts, but it felt at odds with the momentum here and totally unnecessary.

Actually most of the episode upto those final 15 minutes felt unnecessary. They're doing that annoying modern television 'mystery' thing of not really talking about anything, except to say "we can't really talk about that".


So, not what I was hoping for. Hopefully I can warm to the tone of it; I think that's the main issue really. Wasn't all bad otherwise. Definitely didn't feel much like Star Trek though (I thought the pilot did).

Goodshape

Beginning to think I should have paid more attention to those annoying Section 31 episodes of DS9 and Enterprise :-/

Just never felt right that Starfleet should have a secret mysterious military division. Did I miss some redeeming quality? What's their end-game in the other series?, or did that remain a "mystery"?

TheIrishGrover

I really liked that episode. I have very few complaints:

Liked

• Jason Isacs. Always was a fan. He brings the right level of creepy to anything. You don't know if he's ever a bad guy of if he's just doing terrible things but for the right reasons (In his own mind anyway). The anger juuuuust about contained is great.
• Doug Jones. Again, always a fan. Best prosthetic actor in the biz. Very interesting character and not the usual Spock/Data Alien/android-learning-what-it-is-to-be-human.
• No Klingons.
• Canteen fight.
• Production values again. Very pretty.
• "Did he just 'shush' us?"

Didn't like

• The Tribble. Maybe he's discovered that they don't like Klingons and it's kind of like a warning system for him but did it have to coo EVERY couple of seconds? We got it. We saw it
• Still don't like the credit music/sequence. I know it's going for a Westworld/more mature tone but just doesn't do it for me
• Maybe it's my Samsung TV but it seems very dark (Netflix/Plex etc seems darker than broadcast on my TV)
• Security officer. Didn't know why she rubbed me up the wrong way. Knew I knew her from somewhere. Then remembered. She was in BSG.... Didn't like here there either. Must have been a subliminal dislike

I think they are playing the long game with the cadet. Just to get ya to like her. But she screams redshirt. I like the character and think she's played/written well (Just as long a she's the right side of annoying) but she screams redshirt so loudly it's hard to get invested. Maybe I'm wrong and she's the bait-and-switch. Hope so.

Not sure how I felt about the whole Amanda name drop (And her son). It was cool but pandering a bit.

I get why people are on the fence about it/don't like it. It's Star Trek but not as we know it, Jim. Certainly, as others have said, it's Battlestar Discovery. As avid Star Trek fans, they are entitled to their opinions. But I am also an avid Star Trek fan and I like it. It certainly has me intrigued and hanging for the next episode like Enterprise and Voyager didn't. Liked the whole Section 31 vibe. The ship registry 1031 was a bit on the nose, mind you I hope the series succeeds.

The_Valeyard

Goodshape wrote: »

Beginning to think I should have paid more attention to those annoying Section 31 episodes of DS9 and Enterprise :-/

Just never felt right that Starfleet should have a secret mysterious military division. Did I miss some redeeming quality? What's their end-game in the other series?, or did that remain a "mystery"?

Remained a mystery

TheIrishGrover

AMKC wrote: »

There was talk that it was set in the Mirror Universe but I suppose since things are so different in it from the Prime time universe we all know and love you can say even pretend that it is in the Mirror universe or even an alternate universe if that makes it easier to watch and get into.

Plus, not nearly enough goatees or belly tops.

degrassinoel

Optimus Prime wrote: »

I really enjoyed this one , a lot more than the first two. Has to be a section 31 ship, maybe we are seeing the beginnings of that, being formed after the start of the war with the Klingons. The black emblem on the one guy. Star fleet officers with questionable morals. Seems to point to that.

Thought so myself, but Section 31 was already established prior to the events in Enterprise (Malcolm Reed was a 31 Operative) it's supposedly been around since the starfleet charter was drawn up, way before the federation was even a concept. If it's not Sec31, the cannon is well and truly been thrown out.

The_Valeyard

Maybe spore travel is how S31 have been operating in the shadows for centuries. How Sloan avoided getting vaporised on Romulus. Easy to teleport where ever you want.

Spore travel, the secret federation weapon to expand across the stars 'in the name of peace'

The_Valeyard

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Plus, not nearly enough goatees or belly tops.

Or Salutes and flags of a sword cutting through the Earth.

Goodshape

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Remained a mystery

Ugh, thought so. Lazy storytelling device tbh.

Maybe it's not Section 31, but certainly looks like it is. Just noticed the ships registry is 1031 too actually.

PhiloCypher

3rd episode thoughts :

-- Gotta say the design of the Discovery has really grown on me since it was first revealed.

-- it's definitely a different sort of trek , and that's not a slight. Trek is many things to many people and in the past when there were multiple shows running concurrently so everyone had their itches scratched. This, thus far, just scratches the one. But who knows , if this is successful enough we may end up getting spin offs set on a more typical vessel with a more typical crew.

-- which brings us onto the captain . I like Isaacs performance (didn't hear a hint of the southern accent I'd heard mentioned) but there's definite shades of Terry O Quinns Admiral Pressman from the episode Pegasus in TNG with him. Infact I'd imagine elements of that episode was an in'spore'tion for this episode and the season.

-- as for the crew being a little harsher then normal, so long as it's established that it's not representative of starfleet at large and is ,as has been theorised, a section 31 ship, then it's at the very least understandable and not some ret con of starfleet at large by Fuller/Kurtzman.

-- the plot structure really pressed home how different this show is going to be both in its focus on one main characters perspective(we like Michael are kept in the dark about these spore things until Lorca decides to fill her/us in) and the fact the mystery of what happened on the Glenn lays largely unresolved at episodes end.

-- to expand on my earlier point on the TNG episode Pegasus being an influence on the show. There are definite parallels. So picture this scenario. Lorca/Pressman, driven men, willing to do whatever it takes to give StarFleet any advantage over their enemies press foward with a dangerous experiment that (over the course of the season) pushes the crew to the point of mutiny. In the ensuing chaos the experiment goes awry and all hands are lost but for the captain and first officer Lorca/Pressman & Burnham/Riker . Like Riker Burnham keeps schtum and moves onto his next posting (enterprise/ ? ). Now Fullers original vision was for this to be an anthology series with different seasons set in different era's . Now It's unlikely as the show is called Discovery but what if instead of era's it's different ships and we were gonna follow one starfleet officer throughout her career from posting to posting. Season one a darker tale set on a section 31 ship. Season 2 on a more traditional happy go lucky vessel , maybe by season 6/7 she has been promoted to admiral and we get to see the politicking that goes on behind the scenes in starfleet/federation.

Sad Professor

I love the idea that to redeem herself Michael will probably have to commit another mutiny.

I found the entire premise of this episode to be really unbelievable. Allowing someone sentenced to life in prison to bunk with a newbie, freely walk around engineering and go on an away mission is really far fetched.

Evade

Lorca, and the whole situation on Discovery, reminds me of Captain Ransom from that Voyager two-parter.

It was a bit better than the previous episodes but it does feel a lot more like BSG than Star Trek.

expectationlost wrote: »

what was even happening when she went? to those different places?

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

I was wondering that too. Was she seeing things the Spores saw? Was she actually ON those other planets? Felt like magic

It looked similar to an Iconian gateway.

Sonics2k

Deleted User wrote: »

I found the entire premise of this episode to be really unbelievable. Allowing someone sentenced to life in prison to bunk with a newbie, freely walk around engineering and go on an away mission is really far fetched.

It's not really a new concept.

Tom Paris, Chakotay, and even Ensign Ro do stints in prison. There's another young blonde Bajoran that dies in the last season attempting to escort a Cardassian to his home space, and she was one of the Cadets involved in the cover up of another Ensign's death.

The Federation has always had a forgiving streak when it comes to people who break the rules.

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's not really a new concept.

Tom Paris, Chakotay, and even Ensign Ro do stints in prison. There's another young blonde Bajoran that dies in the last season attempting to escort a Cardassian to his home space, and she was one of the Cadets involved in the cover up of another Ensign's death.

The Federation has always had a forgiving streak when it comes to people who break the rules.

Yea.. a large portion of voyager is made up of terrorists, is it not?

Also Discovery operates outside of norms; the black badges, the different uniforms, the undisclosed experiments.

pixelburp

Sad Professor wrote: »

I love the idea that to redeem herself Michael will probably have to commit another mutiny.

Yeah, I'd say there's no 'probably' about it; you could practically call it Checkov's Mutiny, it was so blatantly splashed across the narrative. I speculated in the original megathread that Lorca might be the eventual bad guy & this episode has done nothing to shake me on this theory. If anything, it feels emboldened; there's clearly some shady affairs being conducted here & I suspect Lorca will - at some point - make the big "I'm doing this for you! For the Federation!" speech that all wing-nut Captains & Admirals of the Federation like to make when they finally go off the deep end. Cue Burnhum stepping in the save the day, while all around her accuse her of trying to get another notch on her mutineering bedpost.

As for the episode itself - that was more like it; both thematically as a 'proper' pilot, and as an episode of Trek itself. Yes, there's no denying that this is going to be the 'darkest' Trek there has ever been - and I'll admit the gory bodies were a bit out of place (if very 'Fringe' as someone already said) - but I think the foundations are all there, it's just layered with the tricky issue of a war & a Federation still presumably settling on its cores.

Perhaps this is the ultimate reason why they set Discovery in the past: Voyager's Federation is a done deal at that stage; without pressing the Apocalypse button (which I suspected fewer people would have wanted than you might think), the Utopia at this stage is fairly ... Utopian really. Backpeddling the timeline means you can sketch these stories from a stage in the Federation when it hadn't quite figured out its sense of purity, with a known, devastating war that dominated its thoughts and actions. After all, it's easy to be at peace when there's nobody shooting at you.

Back to the episode though, and one thing I definitely loved was the welcome expansion of the cast: Saru made for a welcome return; I actually quite liked Tilly, her breathless enthusiasm a reminded that this is still a future without famine or (internal) war; and Stammit the Engineer felt like the latest in a long series of Trek engineers and science fellows who just doesn't have time for anyone else's nonsense. Lorca is still a bit of a mystery, but an intriguing & like I said, a probably antagonistic one. Not sold on his Chief of Security though, she'll need some script work to tone down the pointless aggression.

All in all, this was what the pilot episode should have been; a solid core starting point, without plenty of room to grow & potentially good characters to develop. I'm a lot more excited after this weeks instalment.

Spear

My vague ramblings on it.

I like that Burnham is flawed by being principled, sticking to those principles too rigidly to the point of mutiny and almost self-flagellation by almost refusing the chance to dodge the sentence. Seems more human compared to some of the 2 dimensional squeeky clean heroes that all of sci-fi too easily turns to.


I liked the overall pattern of misdirection as the episode advanced, with early suggestions of dodginess for Lorca, only for him to then appear clean, and at the very end to be revealed as being dodgy, but in other ways. He seems to be more machiavellian than villainous however.

I know the fungus thing exploits real quantum mechanical phenomena such as entanglement, but, well, it's space fungus ultimately. I hope this doesn't be too much of a recurring thing. But if all the fungus are connected, a weapon could easily be used to wipe the lot out.

Isn't a black badge a symbol of Starfleet intelligence generally? Maybe I'm still thinking of the black uniform of Section 31.

I still don't and never will like the look of the Discovery.

The annoying roommate mentioned the ship has the capacity for 200 separate experiments, so there's more than the fungus stuff going on, as events on the USS Glenn seem to confirm. I would prefer it not turn into an experiment/monster of the week template however.

Bacchus

Alright, after that episode I'm all aboard BattleStar Trek Galactica. Aside from nabbing a Cylon as a security chief the tone is very BSG and I like it. Ok, it's not the Trek of old but I'm starting to think the setting during the Klingon war is genius as it allows them to tell a COMPLETELY different story with a different take on the Federation without breaking continuity. Sure, they'll break it in load of other ways but I can buy into this ship not playing by the same rules as the various Enterprise incarnations.

This felt much more like the beginning of a new show (whereas ep 1 and 2 really did feel like an extended backstory). For me, the biggest thing they nailed are the characters. I actually quite like them all and are already far more interesting than most TNG and VOY characters. Saru is still the standout for me, interesting character and great work from the makeup dept. I feel like the two science officers are going to be the heart of the show, with Lorca and the security chief bringing a much darker element to it. I haven't warmed to Michael yet but I like the approach the show is taking showing events from her perspective (mostly).

After all the dispair at the early ship design leaks, I think the Discovery looks fantastic. I love the saucer design with the ring around it and the rest of the ship looks quite slick and well proportioned. The interiors too look well and "Black Alert" is a neat twist on the norm. I got a definite "Fringe" vibe off that (I see a few others picked up on that too). With 300 experiments onboard, I expect a lot of Black Alerts to happen with weird sh*t going down.

Still loving that title intro too.

My only niggling complaint would be the central premise of devising this new form of travel... how has this never been heard of before? I'm guessing there are serious consequences to it that shut down the research but that just seems like an easy way out to conveniently allow it not break continuity.

PhiloCypher

Bacchus wrote: »

My only niggling complaint would be the central premise of devising this new form of travel... how has this never been heard of before? I'm guessing there are serious consequences to it that shut down the research but that just seems like an easy way out to conveniently allow it not break continuity.

We've already seen those consequences on the Glen. I imagine something similar will happen on the Discovery by seasons end and it will be shelved or as someone else said, as it's one huge connected lifeforms someone will find a way to kill it and bring the whole network down .