I'm a new cyclist an intimidated.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

I bought a fixer-upper bike recently on Adverts for quite reasonable price. It needed new front and back brake pads and a new tube.

I took to cycling to get fit and as a sort of a hobby in the evening.

Even before I started cycling, I've always given the widest possible berth for more vulnerable road users. Even when overtaking motorcyclists.

I've heard of "taking the lane" and letting motorists behind you know that you know they're there, but even when doing this I've still been overtaken far too close. One one occasion, a van driver passed me with inches to spare, I was wearing a yellow tshirt and had flashing lights on (even though it was the middle of the day). I banged on the van as it passed by. I was nearly forced into the ditch.

Does any more experienced cyclists here have hints on how to force people to overtake properly?

Hope it's OK to stick a poll up here. Just to see what everyone else's opinion is regarding PPE. I know helmets and hi-vis are not mandatory. I wear a helmet though (no hi-vis).

Wanderer78

common enough problem, stick to quieter roads until you get more confident on the bike and in traffic. if you witness bad or dangerous driving, report it to the gardai. please dont take to hitting vehicles, and any other way of antagonising situations, for everybody's safety.

NIMAN

Have you thought about buying a camera?

Might allow you to have evidence should anyone drive dangerously around you, or God forbid, cause you harm.

onimpulse

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I find cycling with a group much safer. Find your local club, most have beginner groups and you'll find safety in numbers.

onimpulse

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NIMAN wrote: »

Have you thought about buying a camera?

Might allow you to have evidence should anyone drive dangerously around you, or God forbid, cause you harm.

I'm on the fence about this one... it's not going to prevent an idiot driver doing something stupid but on the other hand if a lot or most cyclist have them, idiot drivers might think twice. Either way, until they become common place they are of very limited benefit.

07Lapierre

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You can't force others to overtake you correctly. All you can do is ride "defenceively".

NIMAN

onimpulse wrote: »

I'm on the fence about this one... it's not going to prevent an idiot driver doing something stupid but on the other hand if a lot or most cyclist have them, idiot drivers might think twice. Either way, until they become common place they are of very limited benefit.

Agreed.

Your suggestion of cycling in a group is a good idea.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

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NIMAN wrote: »

Have you thought about buying a camera?

Might allow you to have evidence should anyone drive dangerously around you, or God forbid, cause you harm.

Does anyone recommend a particular brand? A work colleague of mine (a cyclist) said that cheaper cameras are heavier and are bad for the neck when sitting on top of the helmet.

onimpulse wrote: »

I find cycling with a group much safer. Find your local club, most have beginner groups and you'll find safety in numbers.

Would I look a bit out of place with the inferior hybrid bike that I cycle on?

elperello

This might help -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003E6L2SQ?tag=viglink20253-20
I don't know where you can get them in Ireland, I have an old one from years ago and I think it gives you a bit more room.

Wanderer78

onimpulse wrote: »

I'm on the fence about this one... it's not going to prevent an idiot driver doing something stupid but on the other hand if a lot or most cyclist have them, idiot drivers might think twice. Either way, until they become common place they are of very limited benefit.

common enough, and a good idea for regular commuters. plenty of videos on youtube of such incidents. very useful technology for reporting to gardai

Gerrup Outta Dat!

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onimpulse wrote: »

I'm on the fence about this one... it's not going to prevent an idiot driver doing something stupid but on the other hand if a lot or most cyclist have them, idiot drivers might think twice. Either way, until they become common place they are of very limited benefit.

How did you come to that conclusion?

onimpulse

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

How did you come to that conclusion?

Until motorists tempted to do something stupid are put off by the fact that the cyclist will probably have a camera... At the moment I think motorists believe they can do what they want an get away with it.

onimpulse

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Wanderer78 wrote: »

common enough, and a good idea for regular commuters. plenty of videos on youtube of such incidents. very useful technology for reporting to gardai

Great as evidence I completely agree. Useless in terms of prevention though.

onimpulse

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Does anyone recommend a particular brand? A work colleague of mine (a cyclist) said that cheaper cameras are heavier and are bad for the neck when sitting on top of the helmet.



Would I look a bit out of place with the inferior hybrid bike that I cycle on?

Most clubs will insist you have a road bike I'm afraid. That's largely for safety... depends on the bike you have but could you change the handlebars?

07Lapierre

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Maybe get a hi viz Jacket with " YES... I DO PAY ROAD TAX!" Written on it might help!

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onimpulse wrote: »

Most clubs will insist you have a road bike I'm afraid. That's largely for safety... depends on the bike you have but could you change the handlebars?

Really?

onimpulse

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I love Sean nos wrote: »

Really?

Check with your local club but the ones I've been involved with will. It really is a safety issue.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

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onimpulse wrote: »

Check with your local club but the ones I've been involved with will. It really is a safety issue.

pardon the ignorance

onimpulse

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

pardon the ignorance

Road bike handlebars should be about the width of the riders shoulder. Therefore, it's difficult to get handlebars tangled up as shoulders and elbows make contact first. In a group this helps prevent handlebars get tangled. most other bikes are wider than shoulder width but aren't designed to be used in a group.

punisher5112

Go pro or similar as many copies will do the job. Attach to your person or helmet or bike itself. They come with many fitting types.

If you feel passes are close consider using wider roads or quieter ones or best option if possible stick to cycle lanes especially off road types as the less time spent on the road decrease any chance of been hit.

endacl

07Lapierre wrote: »

Maybe get a hi viz Jacket with " YES... I DO PAY ROAD TAX!" Written on it might help!

One with “NO. I DON’T PAY ROAD TAX, AND NEITHER DO YOU” might cause some confusion, but it’d be more accurate.

cython

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endacl wrote: »

One with “NO. I DON’T PAY ROAD TAX, AND NEITHER DO YOU” might cause some confusion, but it’d be more accurate.

I rather "I PAY EXACTLY THE SAME ROAD TAX AS YOU


i.e. None"

Wishbone Ash

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

pardon the ignorance

Riders cycling closely two abreast can occasionally glance off each other. Not a problem when both have standard drop bars but it can be messier if one has straight bars as omnipulse says, they can become entangled.

07Lapierre

07Lapierre wrote: »

Maybe get a hi viz Jacket with " YES... I DO PAY ROAD TAX!" Written on it might help!

Or " the cycle lane has pot holes" must tell my mam to take a snap of big bertha and I'll post it up. She's in her 60's and still on the bike but is forced on the road by what can only be described a lunar crater on the cycle lane on her usual 10k route.

tomasrojo

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The book Cyclecraft has some good advice, and is worth a read. It has some critics for its sceptical attitude towards cycling-specific infrastructure, but it's largely regarded as a very good guide to dealing with common stressful situations and pitfalls.

It's available in the public library system.

The Galway Cycling Campaign made a leaflet that distilled some of its advice. I can send you a PDF if you like. It's very good, but the book, of course, covers a lot more territory.

brocbrocach

In general, things will get better as you become more used to it. Whether that's because you don't get as shaken by these incidents or because you get better at swerving them is another question though!
A practical and easy step is to avoid the stretches where you feel most vulnerable. A detour down another street or lane can add an extra minute to your trip but make your morning or evening cycle a pleasure instead of a trial.

cython

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smacl wrote: »

That and the fact that very many regular cyclists would use a bottle cage with bidon rather than disposable plastic bottle drinks.

Very true, not that it really matters at this point, as the poster I responded to has either had their post deleted by mods, or done a not-so-ninja delete of their own post. Not to mention that my response to the generalisation was meant as a secondary comment in the context of the thread, for which it is pretty off topic so I should probably have said nothing!

CramCycle

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cython wrote: »

I responded to has either had their post deleted by mods,

MOD VOICE: Deleted by a delusional power hungry mod :pac: In reality though, post was off topic and intentionally or not, looked to be trolling.

123shooter

If you are referring to my post...........well it was totally genuine and not trolling and I didnt delete it so blame the Mod.

My question may have been slightly off topic but the rest of the post wasnt and relevant but not popular.

07Lapierre

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endacl wrote: »

One with “NO. I DON’T PAY ROAD TAX, AND NEITHER DO YOU” might cause some confusion, but it’d be more accurate.

And there i was thinking I'd come up with a new idea!

Pkiernan

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To get back on topic, OP get a bike mounted camera and report each incident to the Guards.
Only way drivers will change is if you do this.

Also don't be afraid to email insurance companies with videos of bad driving. Most drivers are insured with the big names, so easy enough to do.

07Lapierre

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Another Jersey worth considering....

123shooter

Pkiernan wrote: »

To get back on topic, OP get a bike mounted camera and report each incident to the Guards.
Only way drivers will change is if you do this.

Also don't be afraid to email insurance companies with videos of bad driving. Most drivers are insured with the big names, so easy enough to do.

So you want a distorted 180 degree camera view of an 'almost' incident reported to the guards and insurance company:)

CramCycle

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123shooter wrote: »

My question may have been slightly off topic but the rest of the post wasnt and relevant but not popular.

MOD VOICE: Any issues, we can take it to discussion via PM. The off topic parts and several parts of your post have been done to death and in the past have typically been posted by people looking to troll, I don't think you were but I am just nipping it in the bud.

123shooter

CramCycle wrote: »

MOD VOICE: Any issues, we can take it to discussion via PM. The off topic parts and several parts of your post have been done to death and in the past have typically been posted by people looking to troll, I don't think you were but I am just nipping it in the bud.

Right then I shall bugger off from where I am not wanted.;)

amcalester

123shooter wrote: »

Right then I shall bugger off from where I am not wanted.;)

On yer bike

Macy0161

You can't force people to overtake correctly, but you can take "primary position" which adds an element of doubt to someone who may chance it if you're in secondary position. I think stayin a live at 1.5 has a video on this explaining it - came up on my facebook feed recently.

Actually had a conversation about this over the weekend with someone who was a passenger in my car - they are relatively new to cycling, and commented that a cyclist we were waiting to overtake was very far out, and he then moved back in after we'd turned the corner when I could see. I knew what he was at (and wasn't going to overtake as I couldn't see anyway) and explained it, but I'm sure someone else would've been giving out about "lycra clad ***** taking over the whole road not letting me past".

tomasrojo

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Pkiernan wrote: »

To get back on topic, OP get a bike mounted camera and report each incident to the Guards.
Only way drivers will change is if you do this.

Also don't be afraid to email insurance companies with videos of bad driving. Most drivers are insured with the big names, so easy enough to do.

I know what you mean, but this sounds exhausting. I'd recommend brocbrocach's approach of trying out alternatives to the stretch of road where you get most close passes. Personally, there was a part of the North Circular Road in Dublin where I used to cycle every day and got close passes constantly, and some very aggressive punishment passes too. I found a slightly longer alternative for that single part of my commute, and all was much better.

tomasrojo

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Macy0161 wrote: »

You can't force people to overtake correctly, but you can take "primary position" which adds an element of doubt to someone who may chance it if you're in secondary position. I think stayin a live at 1.5 has a video on this explaining it - came up on my facebook feed recently.

Actually had a conversation about this over the weekend with someone who was a passenger in my car - they are relatively new to cycling, and commented that a cyclist we were waiting to overtake was very far out, and he then moved back in after we'd turned the corner when I could see. I knew what he was at (and wasn't going to overtake as I couldn't see anyway) and explained it, but I'm sure someone else would've been giving out about "lycra clad ***** taking over the whole road not letting me past".

Yeah, and some people go bananas when you take primary position. I find it's best to take it for as short a time as you can, give the driver a little thank-you wave, and try to make sure you don't end up doing it to them again down the road.

07Lapierre

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tomasrojo wrote: »

Yeah, and some people go bananas when you take primary position. I find it's best to take it for as short a time as you can, give the driver a little thank-you wave, and try to make sure you don't end up doing it to them again down the road.

But if needs must...

tomasrojo

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07Lapierre wrote: »

But if needs must...

Well, in town it doesn't really apply much, but in the suburbs you sometimes meet the same driver again within about five minutes. Just as a precaution, I'd pull over and let them go the second time. Just the one time, I had a driver really flip out and pull a really aggressive punishment pass.

LeinsterDub

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or " the cycle lane has pot holes" must tell my mam to take a snap of big bertha and I'll post it up. She's in her 60's and still on the bike but is forced on the road by what can only be described a lunar crater on the cycle lane on her usual 10k route.

I have a similar enough distance cycle to and from work. I took to not using a particular poor cycle lane for a few weeks but they amount of punishment passes and aggressive behaviour I encountered led to me using the lane again. It's condition is acceptable at the pace I go. So I suppose what I'm saying it might better to use the cycle lane for the OP if it's anyway acceptable.

brocbrocach

tomasrojo wrote: »

Personally, there was a part of the North Circular Road in Dublin where I used to cycle every day and got close passes constantly, and some very aggressive punishment passes too. I found a slightly longer alternative for that single part of my commute, and all was much better.

It's Fairview for me. I just go round it now and all is well.

tomasrojo

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brocbrocach wrote: »

It's Fairview for me. I just go round it now and all is well.

That was one for me too.

onimpulse

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tomasrojo wrote: »

That was one for me too.

Likewise, hate Fairvew on a bike.

NIMAN

I see Aldi are doing an integrated light/camera in their cycling deals

https://www.aldi.ie/camera-and-bike-light/p/079004160072600

Gerrup Outta Dat!

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Someone I work with said that helmet cam (and even car dashcam) footage which has less than 30 frames per second won't be entertained by the Gardaí or Judges and thus inadmissible as evidence because each frame can be easily individually altered. Any truth to this?

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Someone I work with said that helmet cam (and even car dashcam) footage which has less than 30 frames per second won't be entertained by the Gardar Judges and thus inadmissible as evidence because each frame can be easily individually altered. Any truth to this?

Bull****.

If you can edit 30 frames you can edit 50 or 60. Just might take 2 mins longer. Any question about authenticity then they can refer it to the technical lads in Phoenix Park.

CCTV is often 1 or 5 fps.

CramCycle

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Someone I work with said that helmet cam (and even car dashcam) footage which has less than 30 frames per second won't be entertained by the Gardar Judges and thus inadmissible as evidence because each frame can be easily individually altered. Any truth to this?

As said above, a common theme trotted out by a few lazy members of AGS. In a civil case it is more than enough. In a legal one, it is not enough on it's own as it is not considered forensic evidence but it is more than suitable to be added to the weight of evidence to help clarify or reinforce a particular version of events. They will still have all the other stuff if needs be. Whether it is accepted or not in the end is at the discretion of the Judge, and will also depend on the "importance" of the case. The gardai, if putting together a case would be foolish, nay negligent to not accept it as potential evidence if pursuing a charge, this said if they don't accept they may not pursue the charge, if you get my meaning.

AndrewJRenko

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Someone I work with said that helmet cam (and even car dashcam) footage which has less than 30 frames per second won't be entertained by the Gardaí or Judges and thus inadmissible as evidence because each frame can be easily individually altered. Any truth to this?

Ask the Garda for a written copy of that policy and see how far he gets.

mp31

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Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Does anyone recommend a particular brand? A work colleague of mine (a cyclist) said that cheaper cameras are heavier and are bad for the neck when sitting on top of the helmet.

Mobius 2 attached to the top of the helmet using velcro - very light and hardly noticeable. There is a weatherproof cover available for it as well. Battery lasts 2 hours and a bit and it can record up to 1080p x 60fps