Difference is in 316d 318d 320d?

Whocare

Hi can anyone tell me what the difference is in 316d 318d 320d as it looks like they all are 2.0 litre diesel. 2014 car

ohnonotgmail

bhp and torque

316d has 116hp and 270Nm of torque
318d has 150hp and 320Nm of torque
320d EfficientDynamics has 163hp and 400Nm of torque
regular 320d has 190hp and same torque as the ED

bazz26

316d would be 115bhp
318d would be 143bhp
320d Efficient Dynamics would be 163bhp
320d would be 184bhp

In most cases the lower powered versions are just detuned via software but I think the 320d has bigger injectors and inter-cooler to the others.

mullingar

Yup, Exact same engine, but different tuning. Variances would be turbos/injectors/software/intercoolers etc.

GerryDerpy

Basically, if you get a 316 you are a bum

Alan_007_

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Basically, if you get a 316 you are a bum

Yes, so many bums driving around the place in their 2014 BMWs.

mikeecho

The 316 is usually debadged

DaveyDave

I didn't realise a 320d put out so much power.

mikeecho wrote: »

The 316 is usually debadged

I don't understand why people do this. I'm sure a lot are happy with the clean look, but when I see it I just assume people are hiding what model it is. I notice it more on the 1-series.

Less often on higher up models. See it on lots of the smaller Audi's, less so on the A6, A7 etc.

bazz26

It's mostly done from the factory that way. The likes of BMW will allow you to to deselect "model designation" from the options list.

DaveyDave

bazz26 wrote: »

It's mostly done from the factory that way. The likes of BMW will allow you to to deselect "model designation" from the options list.

I understand that. I personally wouldn't do it, but there does seem to be a trend of it towards the lower end?

bazz26

For some it's a vanity thing, for others it just removes clutter.

Leonard Hofstadter

It's also a convenient way of not having to put on public display that you're a cheapskate and too tight to buy one with a proper engine. In other countries people debadge them for the sleeper look and so that nobody knows that they bought a fast one with a decent engine.

mikeecho

captainspeed wrote: »

It's also a convenient way of not having to put on public display that you're a cheapskate and too tight to buy one with a proper engine. In other countries people debadge them for the sleeper look and so that nobody knows that they bought a fast one with a decent engine.

Omg... couldn't agree more


Ireland.. hide the small engine
Germany..hide the big tarmac chewing monster

Nuw

I had the C250 td (w202, estate) I use to drive debadged... the dealership I bought it from offered to throw it in with a bigger job. Once it was done, I liked it a lot, it just looked better, sleeker, and I kind of liked the idea of people not knowing exactly what I drove... Don't get me wrong here, if it wasn't free, I would never have bothered, and it did not change my life, it was just 'nice'

CalamariFritti

Power in those engines is quite different as someone above already said. Fiel consumption is different too although almost to a negligible degree, same for emissions and therefore annual tax. I guess where the lower emissions come more into play is when it comes to VRT and therefore purchase price.

If you want to know in detail just go to autotrader UK and pull up some 2014 models; they have the technical details listed quite nicely. Purchase price go to BMW.ie and then you'll know. I think there's is a few grand between the 316 and the 320 and the lower models may not have all the trim levels like luxury and sport available to them.

I have a 320 touring myself and some may call it a fast car, but I'd call it nimble rather than fast. It gets you around quite nicely for a 2 litre diesel and feels adequate for a car thats marketed as practical but still somewhat sleek and with a degree of driving pleasure. I haven't driven a 316 or 318, but I'd say they're ok enough too, the 316 maybe just about...116 bhp isn't a lot for a car that size.

As for debadged or not I don't really care. My one isn't debadged. If I bought from new I'd probably opt for debadged, but not for one way or the other vanity reasons. I just like my cars with few numbers and letters and bling in general. I mean a 320d debadged is hardly a 'sleeper'. A 330d may qualify.

ION08

There's also the 325d which also has the same 2.0d engine but with twin turbo's (215bhp & 450nm)

StereoSound

I've never seen a 316 in other EU countries other then Ireland. It was great being in Germany a few weeks back seeing all the high end BMW's with the massive engines pulling away from the lights. It's so different when you come back here seeing at best a 320d, 520d or whatever going down the road.

Leonard Hofstadter

StereoSound wrote: »

I've never seen a 316 in other EU countries other then Ireland. It was great being in Germany a few weeks back seeing all the high end BMW's with the massive engines pulling away from the lights. It's so different when you come back here seeing at best a 320d, 520d or whatever going down the road.

Most 3 series were four cylinders last time I was in Germany, but at least with the 5 series they still buy them with six cylinder engines and obviously there's still some six pot 3 series as well.

In fairness the 530d is very expensive compared to the 520d when brand new, it's far too much really when you consider that it hardly pollutes any more CO2, but six cylinders are so much nicer and it does come with some extra equipment which partly explains the higher price.

ION08

StereoSound wrote: »

I've never seen a 316 in other EU countries other then Ireland. It was great being in Germany a few weeks back seeing all the high end BMW's with the massive engines pulling away from the lights. It's so different when you come back here seeing at best a 320d, 520d or whatever going down the road.

Im just recently back from the US and nearly every single 3 series I saw was a 335i

Firtst car i saw when i stepped out of the airport was an an RS3 saloon.

Also seen plenty of F10 M5’s being non chalantly used as family cars with kids in the back.

Gotta laugh when I hear and see people here referring to overpriced tractor 520d M sports as “beasts”

Ireland - Sh*te country for cars. Pity.

Blazer

ION08 wrote: »

Im just recently back from the US and nearly every single 3 series I saw was a 335i

Firtst car i saw when i stepped out of the airport was an an RS3 saloon.

Also seen plenty of F10 M5’s being non chalantly used as family cars with kids in the back.

Gotta laugh when I hear and see people here referring to overpriced tractor 520d M sports as “beasts”

Ireland - Sh*te country for cars. Pity.

Blame the government not the people.
In the US everyone leases and they get great deals on their cars. Plus their gas is way cheaper than ours and they don’t get screwed in vet/excise duty .
Here we get screwed to the hilt hence why so few 3l cars are sold. When it’s another 15k on top for a 530d over a 520d would you blame people for not going for the 530d.
Also for the 518d it’s automatically debadged.

bazz26

ION08 wrote: »

Im just recently back from the US and nearly every single 3 series I saw was a 335i

Firtst car i saw when i stepped out of the airport was an an RS3 saloon.

Also seen plenty of F10 M5’s being non chalantly used as family cars with kids in the back.

Gotta laugh when I hear and see people here referring to overpriced tractor 520d M sports as “beasts”

Ireland - Sh*te country for cars. Pity.

I thought the Audi RS4 TDi was the Irish beast? Now there's a tractor. A 3.0 TDi is more perseeved as high on these shores.

And the main reason nice cars are not common here is because as motorists we are taxed to death on anything nice.

bazz26

They sold the F10 in Greece and Turkey with a 1.6 litre turbo petrol engine and badged it the 520i.

ION08

Blazer wrote: »

Blame the government.

That’s exactly who I blame!

Its a shame, because as a small island nation on the edge of the Atlantic we should really be able to enjoy cars instead of being taxed through our teeth under the false pretence of environmental consciousness :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in the US, the single biggest carbon polluter in history, they get to thunder along in big Fk-off V8’s and high powered European Cars that ,ironically, few people in this European country would actually get to enjoy.

Realistically you dont even have to look as far as the US... a trip up North or across to the UK will quickly put how shafted we are into perspective.

I just wish we had more “car people” in government that would see motorists as more than easy targets.

Could be worse though, we could be Denmark or Singapore :P

ION08

bazz26 wrote: »

They sold the F10 in Greece and Turkey with a 1.6 litre turbo petrol engine and badged it the 520i.

These aren’t real cars to me. They’re nothing more than a sales excersise to penetrate into sh*te car markets like those mentioned.

Im sure even the engineers at BMW laughed at the poor souls who would be on the receiving end.

Manufacturers for the most part only really care about pleasing the US and China

Leonard Hofstadter

ION08 wrote: »

That’s exactly who I blame!

Its a shame, because as a small island nation on the edge of the Atlantic we should really be able to enjoy cars instead of being taxed through our teeth under the false pretence of environmental consciousness :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in the US, the single biggest carbon polluter in history, they get to thunder along in big Fk-off V8’s and high powered European Cars that ,ironically, few people in this European country would actually get to enjoy.

Realistically you dont even have to look as far as the US... a trip up North or across to the UK will quickly put how shafted we are into perspective.

I just wish we had more “car people” in government that would see motorists as more than easy targets.

Could be worse though, we could be Denmark or Singapore :P

Well the UK Government wants the UK to be a world leader in autonomous driving, and they're planning to ban non hybrid cars by 2040 (though in fairness I'd say everything will be hybrid by then, it's just the way things are going really and it's the only way to improve fuel consumption), so I don't know if things are going to get better for the motorist anywhere.

At least in Ireland there's still far less speed cameras compared to the UK and we don't use fixed cameras either. Petrol used to be a bit cheaper but I think that's changed now, certainly when I was at home during the summer I thought it was more expensive than the UK at the time.

It is a terrible country to be into cars, though, with all the tax they charge on anything even half decent - but remember that other countries charge more than we do for other things - I don't particularly fancy paying €10,000 a year to go to college like they have to in the UK either. The worst thing has got to be trying to find anything with a half decent engine, fortunately at least there's still plenty of nice cars being sold in the UK and it is possible to buy a fast car with reasonable tax on the CO2 system, that was definitely not possible on the old engine size system.

Blazer

ION08 wrote: »

That’s exactly who I blame!

Its a shame, because as a small island nation on the edge of the Atlantic we should really be able to enjoy cars instead of being taxed through our teeth under the false pretence of environmental consciousness :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in the US, the single biggest carbon polluter in history, they get to thunder along in big Fk-off V8’s and high powered European Cars that ,ironically, few people in this European country would actually get to enjoy.

Realistically you dont even have to look as far as the US... a trip up North or across to the UK will quickly put how shafted we are into perspective.

I just wish we had more “car people” in government that would see motorists as more than easy targets.

Could be worse though, we could be Denmark or Singapore :P

All it would take is for motorists to grow a pair and protest.
I remember the PAYE protests around the 80's where about a 150,000 PAYE workers protested in Dublin over the high tax over a few years

http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1861-strikes-pickets-and-protests/469887-huge-demo-against-paye-in-dublin/

Here we're all bloody sheep.
You know how many motorists are in the country. And how many of those vote. If even 50% of them united against the Government it would be enough to change policy. But we couldn't be bothered.

AndyBoBandy

I had a 1.0l petrol Skoda rental last week that threw out 115BHP

Seems mad that a 1.6d BMW is only throwing out 116BHP when you compare it to the above

my 320d has the N47 engine throwing out 163BHP

dr.fuzzenstein

bazz26 wrote: »

They sold the F10 in Greece and Turkey with a 1.6 litre turbo petrol engine and badged it the 520i.

If they sold it in Ireland with non metallic paint, cassette radio, wind up windows, steel wheels with plastic hubcaps held on with cable ties and sans aircon, it would be a runaway success, guaranteed.

CalamariFritti

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I had a 1.0l petrol Skoda rental last week that threw out 115BHP

Seems mad that a 1.6d BMW is only throwing out 116BHP when you compare it to the above

my 320d has the N47 engine throwing out 163BHP

Even madder when you consider its not a 1.6 but a 2.0.

bazz26

This is nothing new or shocking. Audi sell the A4 with a 122bhp 2.0 TDi engine and have done for years. Mercedes now fit Nissan/Renault 1.5 and 1.6 diesel engines to their C Class. These are entry level engines with a lower price point to make these models more competitive with mainstream brands.

ION08

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I had a 1.0l petrol Skoda rental last week that threw out 115BHP

Seems mad that a 1.6d BMW is only throwing out 116BHP when you compare it to the above

my 320d has the N47 engine throwing out 163BHP

I dont’t really see whats so “mad” about it?

One is a highly strung and tuned 1.0 litre 3 cylinder petrol and the other is an intentionally de-tuned 2.0 diesel engine.

Just two very different ways of outputting 115bhp, not really comparable to one another.

AndyBoBandy

ION08 wrote: »

I dont’t really see whats so “mad” about it?

One is a highly strung and tuned 1.0 litre 3 cylinder petrol and the other is an intentionally de-tuned 2.0 diesel engine.

Just two very different ways of outputting 115bhp, not really comparable to one another.

True,

I wish my mam's 1.0 3 cylinder Yaris was as highly strung as it, because the Skoda was very compatible to a 1.6/1.8 diesel

bmstuff

Historically the BMW model badge in Germany was an option you had to pay for, many Germans never bothered with that option. And cars had to be paid by cash only!

Every single option had to be paid for in Germany, including electric windows, while export models had many options as standard.
That's always been like this. Many manufacturers did that.

Now the price difference here between a 320d and a 330d and 520d and 530d is around 10.000 euros.
What's the point? You would very rarely use that power. Yeah would be nice to have when needed but comes at a serious extra cost.

Car taxes, gas prices etc are pushing people to purchase small engines anyway. Can't blame them for that.

As for badge removal, means nothing. I prefer to see no badge than a stupid ///M3, or ///M5 badge on a 3/5 series or even RS4 badge on a 1.9TDI A4