Michael O'Leary can't even manage his own business......

Fr_Dougal

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

So Ryanair are randomly cancelling flights from now until November 1st, not just flights already booked; but flights that can be booked from now until then.

They've claimed that they have informed passengers who are supposed to fly up to and including the 20th of September if their flight has been cancelled, but many unhappy customers are turning up for flights having not been notified.

Yeah they offer cheap flights, but would you book with them considering if your flight is randomly cancelled you'll end up paying way more with another airline due to the short notice.

Link: https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0917/905380-ryanair-say-eight-irish-flights-among-todays-cancellat/

Cheshire Cat

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

So Ryanair are randomly cancelling flights from now until November 1st, not just flights already booked; but flights that can be booked from now until then.

They've claimed that they have informed passengers who are supposed to fly up to and including the 20th of September if their flight has been cancelled, but many unhappy customers are turning up for flights having not been notified.

Yeah they offer cheap flights, but would you book with them considering if your flight is randomly cancelled you'll end up paying way more with another airline due to the short notice.

Link: https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0917/905380-ryanair-say-eight-irish-flights-among-todays-cancellat/

There are two threads already! One in Consumer Issues and one in Aviation

branie2

Only 2% of flights are cancelled though

Fr_Dougal

branie2 wrote: »

Only 2% of flights are cancelled though

That's what Ryanair initially said:

Up to 50 flights per day (less than 2% of flights) have been cancelled for the next six weeks.

Today alone they've cancelled 81

Source: http://www.thejournal.ie/ryanair-cancelled-flights-2-3601822-Sep2017/

Wombatman

He has been trying to influence governments, airports, Brexit and other companies for years with his smug I know better attitude.

Any time there is a case of mismanagement (Banks, AGS, Health Service, Schools, transport etc) you get the MOL fan boys out with the "If MOL was in charge he would sort this out in a trice" line.

Turns out he can't even get a simple issue like staff rostering right, something that would be management 101 to any competent restaurant manager or 'corner shop owner'.

Hopefully some other airline will start an ad campaign pointing out they have an efficient HR department.

NIMAN

At least he knows how to spell business.

KERSPLAT!

Busi nees

CruelCoin

Wombatman wrote: »

Hopefully some other airline will start an ad campaign pointing out they have an efficient HR department.

"I only fly with Aer Lingus because they have a fantastic rostering program"

Said no advertisement ever....

Pac1Man

Poor Michael. We'll see him picking up multi-pack Koka Noodles soon.

valoren

You think O'Leary is actually in charge of the staff rostering?

"Your leave request for 18/09/17 (Full Day) has been approved by MOLUSR at 14.22.46pm on 13/08/17"

CeilingFly

Wombatman wrote: »

Turns out he can't even get a simple issue like staff rostering right, something that would be management 101 to any competent restaurant manager or 'corner shop owner'.

Ever done a roster for 12,000 staff spread about 85 different bases travelling to 200+ countries and contend with air traffic delays, ground delays etc. and ensure all meet very strict airline safety regulations?

Methinks not.

Doesn't excuse the current shambles, but to compare it to doing a roster for a shop or restaurant is plain stupid.

murpho999

Do you really think Michael O'Leary rocks into work as CEO every day and organises staff rosters?

moonlighting

Anytime there is usually staffing problems within a business the problem links right back to management being to stingy with money and not hiring enough staff or paying the staff they have.

Crea

The only problem they have with rostering is that they don't have enough pilots. A load left Ryanair to go to Norwegian Airlines.

Wombatman

murpho999 wrote: »

Do you really think Michael O'Leary rocks into work as CEO every day and organises staff rosters?

Had this issue reached such clusterfcuk proportions in another company, MOL would be the first one to declare that the buck stops with the CEO.

Instead taking responsibility he is blaming the staff, air traffic controllers, regulators and the weather (which has been pretty good).

SB_Part2

Is this not because loads of pilots left to join another airline?

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Do you really think Michael O'Leary rocks into work as CEO every day and organises staff rosters?

He's the CEO of the company.

He is responsible for everything that happens on his watch and you can be damn sure he's responsible for the fact that the airline is cancelling departures due to being short staffed.

I know someone who used to be a pilot with Ryanair. Had a party the day he left. O'Leary sets the tone from the top down and he is reaping what he has so enthusiastically sown over the years.

Just out of interest who would you blame for the situation?

murpho999

Wombatman wrote: »

Had this issue reached such clusterfcuk proportions in another company, MOL would be the first one to declare that the buck stops with the CEO.

Instead taking responsibility he is blaming the staff, air traffic controllers, regulators and the weather (which has been pretty good.

Where has he done this.

Only about 2% of flights affected. It's an embarrassment but not a disaster.

98% of flights are fine.

Wouldn't have a thread started if it was any other airline.

murpho999

Deleted User wrote: »

He's the CEO of the company.

He is responsible for everything that happens on his watch and you can be damn sure he's responsible for the fact that the airline is cancelling departures due to being short staffed.

I know someone who used to be a pilot with Ryanair. Had a party the day he left. O'Leary sets the tone from the top down and he is reaping what he has so enthusiastically sown over the years.

Just out of interest who would you blame for the situation?

I don't have enough details about how their rostering system works, but HR and Operations have to come into question.

Collie D

murpho999 wrote: »

Wouldn't have a thread started if it was any other airline.

Perhaps not but you could be pretty certain MOL would be crowing from the rooftops if this was BA or Aer Lingus.

When he's so quick to criticise everyone else from governments to competitors he has to expect it back which was the OP's point.

blinding

O 'Leary is a Grade A Tosser and was Probably Tossing Off when the Pilots were moving to pasture new .

CeilingFly

Wombatman wrote: »

, air traffic controllers, regulators and the weather (which has been pretty good).

Pretty good weather??? Are you serious?

Substantial weather issues in many parts of Europe over the summer. - Just like rostering is like your corner shop, weather is the same all over Europe as in some village in Ireland

ATC? - Substantial issues with French ATC during the summer.

Airport delays - Spain was a disaster this year.

Regulators? - Ryanair must adhere to new rules about calendar year.

Ryanairs problam is all these issues came together and because of the tight scheduling they operate, it split at the seams.

There's a general shortage of pilots, so not many avaialble to operate on short term contracts.

As for 140 leaving for Norwegian - Ryanair have about 2500 pilots, so not the big exodus that the hysterical media make it out to be.


Still no excuse for the shambles

BillyBobBS

murpho999 wrote: »

Do you really think Michael O'Leary rocks into work as CEO every day and organises staff rosters?

Do you think the head of the HSE does?

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't have enough details about how their rostering system works, but HR and Operations have to come into question.

And you don't think O'Leary has any insight into HR and Ops? What do you think he does all day, mouth off about Aer Lingus in the media?

He's the CEO, the buck stops in his office. That's the way it works and always has done. If it turns out that HR / Ops have been engaged in a cover-up of some description then fair enough, but I suspect that is very unlikely.

super_furry

Ryanair is suffering from a staff exodus because of the way they've treated their workers for decades. They can't hold onto staff now who use Ryanair for training and then leave for other companies where conditions are much better. All this stuff about holiday rosters is only half the truth, the reason it's an issue is because they have such a huge turnover of staff.

osarusan

The begrudgery gene in my DNA likes the idea of him squirming somewhere.

mikeysmith

moonlighting wrote: »

Anytime there is usually staffing problems within a business the problem links right back to management being to stingy with money and not hiring enough staff or paying the staff they have.

Ya
Who would have thought not looking after the pilots who fly the planes might cause problems

Yamanoto

murpho999 wrote: »

Where has he done this.

Only about 2% of flights affected. It's an embarrassment but not a disaster.

98% of flights are fine.

Wouldn't have a thread started if it was any other airline.

Probably because EI's Stephen Kavanagh or Christoph Mueller before him weren't regularly appearing in the media to excoriate rivals, regulators or airport operators for precisely the kind of incompetence that's transpired at Ryanair this week.

gramar

murpho999 wrote: »

Where has he done this.

Only about 2% of flights affected. It's an embarrassment but not a disaster.

98% of flights are fine.

Wouldn't have a thread started if it was any other airline.

2% of about 1800 daily flights is about 35 flights every day for 6 weeks.
That's a lot of disrupted plans for a lot of people.

JC01

Meh, I was stunned to learn they operate over 2500 flights a day! That's genuinely staggering when you consider how much goes into one single flight.

So emm ya I'm not sure I agree with you saying he doesn't know what he's at...

diomed

valoren wrote: »

You think O'Leary is actually in charge of the staff rostering?

You believe this is about staff rostering?

Boom_Bap

I heard that this was something to do with the Ryanair calendar year being moved and essentially being increased this year by another 4 months.
There are restrictions on the number of hours the pilots can be in the air over the year, so having the longer year means they need to trim the number of planes in the air as there are no pilots free to take them.

Any truth to that? If so it makes sense, and not really down to Mick making a shambles of his roster.

blinding

Old Big Mouth would be front and Centre if it was Some Good news....

Old Big Mouth is hiding....come out come out where ever you are ?

bucketybuck

They are cancelling the return legs of flights with minimal notice and leaving families stranded abroad, its a ****ing disgrace and heavy criticism is the least they deserve.

Boom_Bap

bucketybuck wrote: »

They are cancelling the return legs of flights with minimal notice and leaving families stranded abroad, its a ****ing disgrace and heavy criticism is the least they deserve.

This sounds like a loaded facetious question, it's not meant to be.

Would you prefer a flight to be manned by a pilot that is over-worked? Or would you have another solution for this?

Grayson

bucketybuck wrote: »

They are cancelling the return legs of flights with minimal notice and leaving families stranded abroad, its a ****ing disgrace and heavy criticism is the least they deserve.

I understand how things can go tits up in a huge organisation but it is a disgrace that it's happened. There are going to be people stranded.

blinding

Can Old Big Mouth Fly a Plane Himself....he is probably Flat out hoping Planes from one Airport to Another .

RocketRaccoon

blinding wrote: »

Can Old Big Mouth Fly a Plane Himself....he is probably Flat out hoping Planes from one Airport to Another .

Would it not be easier to just call him by his name?

What a strange begrudgery ridden thread.

KERSPLAT!

blinding wrote: »

Can Old Big Mouth Fly a Plane Himself....he is probably Flat out hoping Planes from one Airport to Another .

Your random capitalisation of words is hurting my brain.

ArmaniJeanss

bucketybuck wrote: »

They are cancelling the return legs of flights with minimal notice and leaving families stranded abroad, its a ****ing disgrace and heavy criticism is the least they deserve.

Technically every flight is a return leg.

Wombatman

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This sounds like a loaded facetious question, it's not meant to be.

Would you prefer a flight to be manned by a pilot that is over-worked? Or would you have another solution for this?

Am..... plan ahead, manage the issue, pay and treat you staff well so they won't leave, hire new pilots and most importantly don't sell flights you can't operate.

Would you agree that Ryanair pilots are the most likely to be stressed and over-worked because of this staffing mismanagement?

Collie D

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This sounds like a loaded facetious question, it's not meant to be.

Would you prefer a flight to be manned by a pilot that is over-worked? Or would you have another solution for this?

They say these cancellations will last for six weeks. Regardless of the reasons for these cancellations if they know x number of flights per day will not be flying why not make a decision now on what those flights will be rather than doing it on a rolling basis? This could help people plan in advance, cancel hotels without losing out, make alternative arrangements, etc.

whisky_galore

Any press release from MOL or an apology to the public???
Nope? Thought not.

super_furry

According to the Aviation forum they're suddenly offering a 10k sigining on bonus to all and any new pilots. Wouldn't be an issue if they hasn't treated them so badly for so long.

Boom_Bap

Wombatman wrote: »

Am..... plan ahead, manage the issue, pay and treat you staff well so they won't leave, hire new pilots and most importantly don't sell flights you can't operate.

Would you agree that Ryanair pilots are the most likely to be stressed and over-worked because of this staffing mismanagement?

Well the pilots are going to be flying the routes they are told to fly within the safety guidelines, so I'm sure they wont be stressed about it.
The other staff though will be losing hours so there will be an impact there.

You call this staff mismanagement, but is this not a case of firefighting the restrictions that have been put on them?
Again, just to re-iterate, I don't know the full story and am not aware of any staff cutbacks or pilot exodus.

Collie D wrote: »

They say these cancellations will last for six weeks. Regardless of the reasons for these cancellations if they know x number of flights per day will not be flying why not make a decision now on what those flights will be rather than doing it on a rolling basis? This could help people plan in advance, cancel hotels without losing out, make alternative arrangements, etc.

I think that they are cancelling the flights that have least numbers on them to have least passenger impact.


It's a sh*tty situation, I wouldn't like to have a flight cancelled last minute and f*ck up y plans.

blinding

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Would it not be easier to just call him by his name?

What a strange begrudgery ridden thread.

When Old Big Mouth is in the Pilots seat he is well able to look after himself........

Come out Come out .....Old Big Mouth .

buck65

They hate their customers.

Fr_Dougal

murpho999 wrote: »

Where has he done this.

Only about 2% of flights affected. It's an embarrassment but not a disaster.

98% of flights are fine.

Wouldn't have a thread started if it was any other airline.

Source: Ryanair

Reality: averaging 80 cancelled flights daily

CeilingFly

super_furry wrote: »

According to the Aviation forum they're suddenly offering a 10k sigining on bonus to all and any new pilots. Wouldn't be an issue if they hasn't treated them so badly for so long.

They've been offering that for a few months. They are hiring andother 1000 pilots to meet their expansion plans.

And despite what the negative ninnies say, all pilots are offered eirth a five year contratct with a guaranteed number of horus or full time employment.

Cabin crew get 1-3 year contracts. Easy to pick up additional cabin crew - not easy to get extra trained pilots as they simply are not out there and trainign schools are at their max capacity too.

ohnonotgmail

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Source: Ryanair

Reality: averaging 80 cancelled flights daily

they cancelled 52 flights today. where are you getting your 80 number?

Fr_Dougal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they cancelled 52 flights today. where are you getting your 80 number?

http://www.thejournal.ie/ryanair-cancelled-flights-2-3601822-Sep2017/

81 cancelled Sunday, same cancelled Saturday.