If you can't afford a house in Dublin, move!

Nettle Soup

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I live in Dublin and my family has a great quality of life, thanks.

What would really improve the city would be if all the whingers did us a favour and went back to their rural idylls :rolleyes:

I moved back west 15 years ago and haven't looked back. I only go to Dublin for semi-finals and finals now.

nice_guy80

most people are only too delighted to get away from their families

its like in Father Ted - keep them at a safe distance.

maryishere

MarcusP12 wrote: »

I doubt accommodation costs, building costs, traffic and pollution would magically stay the same if big employers suddenly decided to locate west....

There are some big employers along the western seaboard, for example in the cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Sligo. And yes, accommodation costs, building costs, traffic and pollution are less than in Dublin. Housing can cost less than half, for example. Plus there is more scope / accessibility for adventure sports etc.

kuntboy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

kuntboy wrote: »

God help anyone living in the country. There are only 5 allowable topics of conversation:
1. County/club GAA
2. How much Mossy-Jo got for his field.
3. The Weather.
4. Dem fockin Jackeens up in Dublin

Actually it's only 4 topics lol. Jesus Christ.

I'd suggest that you need to get out a bit more if that's what you think the topics of conversation outside Dublin is.

Lol @ this response. Just lol.

Lol.

Feckofff

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The only thing that drives me mad about this is when people have kids and they talk about their poor little kids being in hotels and them having a horrible childhood because of the state but then they go off and get pregnant again. If they were religious and married I'd understand and didn't believe in contraception I'd be fine about it but they come across that way.

It's not an accident, once they get "their" house they will care even less about their children.

The kids are f**ked before they're even conceived.

The state is not blameless either as they are offering perverse incentives.

Long story short, society is either willing to make some hard choices or live with the consequences of taking the easy way out.

MarcusP12

maryishere wrote: »

There are some big employers along the western seaboard, for example in the cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Sligo. And yes, accommodation costs, building costs, traffic and pollution are less than in Dublin. Housing can cost less than half, for example. Plus there is more scope / accessibility for adventure sports etc.

I accept all that you say but this is all based on an equilibrium at the moment. If you suddenly introduced more big employers into these areas common sense will tell you that traffic will increase and with the increase in demand for houses either to buy or rent will rise and along with it, cost. Its basic economics. Obviously they are unlikely to reach Dublin levels but from what I can tell, Galway, where a lot of people would like to live on the west, is far from cheap as it is.

There's no great mystery that Dublin as the capital city is going to be the most expensive place in the country to live. Its the same in every country in the world and Ireland/Dublin is no different. The issue is supply which in turn affects price but unless a non-profit making government is going to turn around and take over the whole house building activities of the country then you'll always have a case where builders will manipulate the market and not over-supply in order to keep prices as high as they can, I reckon.

I would actually love to relocate out west myself having spent happy childhood holidays in the southwest but just upping and leaving is never that easy when its not enforced for economic reasons.....

jamesthepeach

The problem with moving jobs out to the arse end of the country and then moving people out to live there is that should one of those companies fail it is devestating.

If a company fails or leaves in Dublin it's only a ripple.

No longer than moving Facebook to Donegal and getting all the staff to buy houses up there and Facebook say see ya.

The .you have heaps of people up there with morgages and no jobs.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Liamario wrote: »

Dubs who think anywhere outside their county is like the wild west.

It is.

Crispycool

Easier said than done

Pawwed Rig

jamesthepeach wrote: »

The problem with moving jobs out to the arse end of the country and then moving people out to live there is that should one of those companies fail it is devestating.

If a company fails or leaves in Dublin it's only a ripple.

No longer than moving Facebook to Donegal and getting all the staff to buy houses up there and Facebook say see ya.

The .you have heaps of people up there with morgages and no jobs.

That is a good argument to find a focal point for jobs outside of Dublin where multiple companies of multiple different industries could be focussed. I recall a few years ago talk of developing the Mullingar/Tullamore/Athlone region by building developments accessible from all three. This would seem like a reasonable plan in that you are still close enough to Dublin but you open up a huge area of the country. This would allow reasonably priced housing for everyone. Unfortunately, again, you are relying on a long term strategy from government and it would be expensive for the first few years.

jamesthepeach

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

That is a good argument to find a focal point for jobs outside of Dublin where multiple companies of multiple different industries could be focussed. I recall a few years ago talk of developing the Mullingar/Tullamore/Athlone region by building developments accessible from all three. This would seem like a reasonable plan in that you are still close enough to Dublin but you open up a huge area of the country. This would allow reasonably priced housing for everyone. Unfortunately, again, you are relying on a long term strategy from government and it would be expensive for the first few years.

Build a new high rise city and service it well. Companies and people will be only too happy to move there.

Hotblack Desiato

jamesthepeach wrote: »

Build a new high rise city and service it well. Companies and people will be only too happy to move there.

Or we could, y'know, actually provide Dublin with the infrastructure a city of its size needs and should have had decades ago.

If we are not willing to do that, we're not going to do it for any new city either.

jamesthepeach

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Or we could, y'know, actually provide Dublin with the infrastructure a city of its size needs and should have had decades ago.

If we are not willing to do that, we're not going to do it for any new city either.

And how is this going to happen?
The same mantra has been mooted for years.
You are wasting your breath.
It has a better chance all though extremely slim of happening if you start from a clean slate than if you start trying to modify the existing city, where it has zero chance of happening.
Ask those waiting on metro North as just one example. How long has that been on the go in all it's different forms?

You will be retired before Dublin is modified to your standards.

VinLieger

jamesthepeach wrote: »

And how is this going to happen?
The same mantra has been mooted for years.
You are wasting your breath.
It has a better chance all though extremely slim of happening if you start from a clean slate than if you start trying to modify the existing city, where it has zero chance of happening.
Ask those waiting on metro North as just one example. How long has that been on the go in all it's different forms?

You will be retired before Dublin is modified to your standards.

And your grandchildren would be retired before a new city as you described came even halfway to completion.

jamesthepeach

VinLieger wrote: »

And your grandchildren would be retired before a new city as you described came even halfway to completion.

New cities can be built quikley. Starting with a blank canvas is the beauty of it.
I think you are iimagining a whole new city the size of Dublin. Think Canary wharf, but on a train link to Dublin. As the place is built the odd company and people will move to it and commute to Dublin. As it becomes more self contained more companies will move and people will.commute the other way. Eventually it will make more sense to set up companies and to live there as it grows .... Properly.

Pawwed Rig

jamesthepeach wrote: »

New cities can be built quikley. Starting with a blank canvas is the beauty of it.
I think you are iimagining a whole new city the size of Dublin. Think Canary wharf, but on a train link to Dublin. As the place is built the odd company and people will move to it and commute to Dublin. As it becomes more self contained more companies will move and people will.commute the other way. Eventually it will make more sense to set up companies and to live there as it grows .... Properly.

I think the point was to have the new city built on green field sites somewhere in middle using Tullamore/Athlone/Mullingar as the residential area providing rail links to the new city.
It would probably take 20-30 years to do it and in this country would be abandoned halfway with a subsequent tribunal

ELM327

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I think the point was to have the new city built on green field sites somewhere in middle using Tullamore/Athlone/Mullingar as the residential area providing rail links to the new city.
It would probably take 20-30 years to do it and in this country would be abandoned halfway with a subsequent tribunal

Like the last "decentralization" move!

givyjoe

Liamario wrote: »

I have zero sympathy for anyone who can't get a place to live in Dublin.

You seem sound OP.

6541

it will be all sound when the Chinese come to Athlone ....

weldoninhio

Shelga wrote: »

What if all your family and friends are there and you're not 'fortunate' enough to be a culchie?

Make new friends and visit family on holidays.

Nettle Soup

LeBash wrote: »

What about an hour or an hour and a half to work? That's the real issue, it's where probably about 30-35 % of the people of Ireland are employed. Nobody wants to commute for 3 hours a day.

This.

I live on the Wild Atlantic West and my commute is 20 minutes (almost every day) and I can work from home 1-2 days a week.
I don't think I would be capable of moving to a 30+ minute commute. Traffic kills my soul.

Hotblack Desiato

I live in the outer reaches of Dublin city (outside the M50) and my commute into the centre is 20 minutes also. Motorcycles and scooters, not cars are the way to go pending the investment into underground rapid transit that'll never be let happen.

Hotblack Desiato

ELM327 wrote: »

Like the last "decentralization" move!

A scam to encourage councils to rezone lands to make connected people very rich.

Or, putting it another way, it was also a means of setting fire to a billion euro of taxpayers' money in order to make the delivery of public services less efficent, but buying some votes along the way.

andekwarhola

Decentralization talk is the usual agenda-driven fudging.

A small city the size of Dublin shouldn't be that hard for which to provide decent public transport, infrastructure and housing (upwards if necessary).