Adare pricing

Keano

So it's going to cost over €400 in peak season to play there...

Membership will be €5000 a year...

Adare prices revealed

ballyk

€340 a round :eek: That counts me out of playing it.

Seve OB

ballyk wrote: »

€340 a round :eek: That counts me out of playing it.

€340 for a round or only €150 for 9 holes

I think I'll play 9 holes twice

Seve OB

then again, they might throw a few deals up on just golf etc every so often

charlieIRL

no thanks!!

Shows you the market its directed at though doesn't it?

Dbu

For a game in Limerick? Na thanks:D

Anyone know if the new hotel will be taking Supervalu break vouchers?;)

charlieIRL

Padraig could have put on a pair of slacks!!

Dbu

charlieIRL wrote: »

no thanks!!

Shows you the market its directed at though doesn't it?

Just like the new Hogs Head in Waterville, same price bracket I believe, and from what I've been told, they will only take 8 green fees a day @€;350 a head...exclusive members course

Glebee

The boom just got boomier baby...

ronnie3585

Dbu wrote: »

Just like the new Hogs Head in Waterville, same price bracket I believe, and from what I've been told, they will only take 8 green fees a day @€;350 a head...exclusive members course

Jesus. Weeee're back baby!!

How do they expect to sustain the course/club taking only a max of 8 green fees a day!?

tommypepper

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Jesus. Weeee're back baby!!

How do they expect to sustain the course/club taking only a max of 8 green fees a day!?

Thought you were talking about Hogs Head re 8 green fees.
I apologise

fullstop

€60 for a cart?! Are they having a ****ing laugh?

Seve OB

fullstop wrote: »

€60 for a cart?! Are they having a ****ing laugh?

It wasn't long ago that €50 was standard price for a cart in any run of the mill course

FixdePitchmark

Owned by a tax exile who hasn't paid tax in Ireland in 20 years. A great little country.

august12

FixdePitchmark wrote:

Owned by a tax exile who hasn't paid tax in Ireland in 20 years. A great little country.

Let we not forgot the amount of local employment this man has created, the number of scholarships he personally funds every year, the number of charities he donates to, and the new wing to the local hospital, he has done so much for county, I think I can forgive him for being a tax exile as you put it, at least his money is well spent and accounted for, where do the majority of our taxes go?

Running Balance

august12 wrote:

Let we not forgot the amount of local employment this man has created, the number of scholarships he personally funds every year, the number of charities he donates to, and the new wing to the local hospital, he has done so much for county, I think I can forgive him for being a tax exile as you put it, at least his money is well spent and accounted for, where do the majority of our taxes go?

Plus one on this - better than the likes of the healy rae s siphoning from the state..

Mantis Toboggan

God bless the Americans

FixdePitchmark

Running Balance wrote: »

Plus one on this - better than the likes of the healy rae s siphoning from the state..

Same parish pump nonsense to be honest .and at least healy raes are elected and pay tax.

Both as bad as each other. No jp worse

Sorry not for me. Wouldn't play it for free.

slave1

Not for us so...

morrga

With JP been a man of the people, disappointing to see this pricing strategy and elitist nonsense. It's a working class country, let's not forget your roots JP. Sad they'd rather American golfers over their own. No matter how much money you earn no game of golf is worth more than €100.

Paulzx

august12 wrote: »

Let we not forgot the amount of local employment this man has created, the number of scholarships he personally funds every year, the number of charities he donates to, and the new wing to the local hospital, he has done so much for county, I think I can forgive him for being a tax exile as you put it, at least his money is well spent and accounted for, where do the majority of our taxes go?

The rest of us just pay tax. We don't get a say on where it's spent.

Why does he get to decide where his money goes in lieu of paying tax?

Maybe I'll withold my PAYE next year and donate it to the local football team.

Sure the lads will think I'm a great lad

fullstop

Seve OB wrote: »

It wasn't long ago that €50 was standard price for a cart in any run of the mill course

I've never paid more than €30 for one, usually around €25.

Seve OB

Paulzx wrote: »

The rest of us just pay tax. We don't get a say on where it's spent.

Why does he get to decide where his money goes in lieu of paying tax?

Maybe I'll withold my PAYE next year and donate it to the local football team.

Sure the lads will think I'm a great lad

Hold on a minute there.

He doesn't have to do what he does and spend what he does. He chooses to. And he doesn't do it in lieu of paying tax.

FixdePitchmark

Seve OB wrote: »

Hold on a minute there.

He doesn't have to do what he does and spend what he does. He chooses to. And he doesn't do it in lieu of paying tax.

Exactly he doesn't need to do what he does.

He could be just like Michael O'leary - and be tax resident.

How do you know his motives, even if they are fully altruistic - we would prefer he is a normal Irish citizen and not his charitable subservients.

About time Irish government closed in on these nonsence tax loop holes. Menawhile we pay USC.

Back to golf

tbayers

morrga wrote: »

With JP been a man of the people, disappointing to see this pricing strategy and elitist nonsense. It's a working class country, let's not forget your roots JP. Sad they'd rather American golfers over their own. No matter how much money you earn no game of golf is worth more than €100.

He rebuilt the place, surely he can charge what he wants? It is like giving out about someone building a 5 start hotel and giving out he/she charges too much. This place will thrive, there are plenty of rich people out there willing to pay that amount of money to play golf in Ireland! Hes not going to worry about us thats for sure!

Dbu

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Jesus. Weeee're back baby!!

How do they expect to sustain the course/club taking only a max of 8 green fees a day!?

When the owner is a billionaire its quite easy.
Its not about making money, its his hobby

benny79

I'll just play in their open days so

paulos53

A 3k jump in membership fees is a tough one for the members having waited patiently for 2 years for the course to re-open

Mantis Toboggan

One for the society next year...

Paulzx

Seve OB wrote: »

Hold on a minute there.

He doesn't have to do what he does and spend what he does. He chooses to. And he doesn't do it in lieu of paying tax.

He's an irish citizen who chooses not to reside here for tax reasons. He wants the benefits of being an irish citizen but not the tax responsabilites.

You're correct. He doesn't have to give money.

Unfortunately, the rest of us don't have that choice

PARlance

Paulzx wrote: »

Unfortunately, the rest of us don't have that choice

Everyone has the choice, few have the means.

There are lads evading (illegal) tax in every part of the country. If you've ever taken or looked for a cash in hand deal then you're part of that. We've a healthy disrespect for authority in general.

If I was rich enough, I would avoid (legal) paying tax as much as possible. Don't think I'll be playing Adare until I do.

morrga

tbayers wrote: »

He rebuilt the place, surely he can charge what he wants? It is like giving out about someone building a 5 start hotel and giving out he/she charges too much. This place will thrive, there are plenty of rich people out there willing to pay that amount of money to play golf in Ireland! Hes not going to worry about us thats for sure!

You are right, of course he can charge what he wants and that forms part of my point. JP is not exactly profit driven with these projects. Look at Luttrelstown. Adare were looking 25 million and he paid them 30 million.

He is more interested in offering the resort to more Americans than more Irish.
Yes there are rich people in Ireland who can afford to pay 400 quid for golf but they will be in the minority versus the amount of Americans who will fall over themselves to play it. Sad that its a course marked for export but we are lucky we have many top class resorts to play aside from the manor. Just a pity as its one of my favourite parkland courses.

I just didnt think JP was of the elitest nature particulary when he is not as profit driven with these projects. He spends millions on his hobbies of golf and racing so no point going down an ROI route. Its not a priority for JP.

valoren

That's 75% of annual membership at my local course. For one round of Golf.

Isn't the long term ambition of his to hold the Ryder Cup in Adare?

JimmyMcGill

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isn't the long term ambition of his to hold the Ryder Cup in Adare?

2026 seemingly. And WGC possibly at some stage. Tiger needs to come back for the sake of Adare and his old pal.

Mantis Toboggan

How good is the course lads?

Also why would the Americans be falling over themselves to play it? Most likely in the rain.

Paulzx

PARlance wrote: »

Everyone has the choice, few have the means.

There are lads evading (illegal) tax in every part of the country. If you've ever taken or looked for a cash in hand deal then you're part of that. We've a healthy disrespect for authority in general.

If I was rich enough, I would avoid (legal) paying tax as much as possible. Don't think I'll be playing Adare until I do.

I don't disagree with you on any of that.

What I have a problem with is lauding JP as some sort of saint for throwing crumbs from his table at causes that take his fancy whilst living offshore in order to avoid ( legally ) paying tax as a citizen of Ireland.

Plenty of people don't have an issue with this and he's doing nothing illegal. However, we all have differing perspectives on the morality of certain actions despite them being legal.

This is just a bugbear of mine

Tyson Fury

Tyson Fury wrote: »

How good is the course lads?

Also why would the Americans be falling over themselves to play it? Most likely in the rain.

Slightly off topic but I was talking to a guy who does a bit of hosting of Americans from time to time. They were down the West last week and they insisted on playing Rosses Point (36 holes) with rain throughout and nobody else on the course and then the following day it was worse again in Murvagh with the greens unplayable they still played out their round.

Paulzx

Tyson Fury wrote: »

How good is the course lads?

Also why would the Americans be falling over themselves to play it? Most likely in the rain.

Obviously the plan is to get the big events i.e Ryder Cup etc and set it up as a marquee name. It will be on the American golfers bucket list then along with the traditional draws like Ballybunion etc.

Seve OB

Paulzx wrote: »

He's an irish citizen who chooses not to reside here for tax reasons. He wants the benefits of being an irish citizen but not the tax responsabilites.

You're correct. He doesn't have to give money.

Unfortunately, the rest of us don't have that choice

PARlance wrote: »

Everyone has the choice, few have the means.

There are lads evading (illegal) tax in every part of the country. If you've ever taken or looked for a cash in hand deal then you're part of that. We've a healthy disrespect for authority in general.

If I was rich enough, I would avoid (legal) paying tax as much as possible. Don't think I'll be playing Adare until I do.

Parlance pretty much summed it all up there.

I've no idea how JP works his tax affairs and really it is not any of my business and I don't care. The important thing is that he is not actually breaking any laws.

Now I also have a good understanding of how the tax system works and have no doubt in my mind that JP through Adare & Luttrelstown and whatever else he operates on these shores has paid more Irish tax than probably all of us put together will ever do.

What you guys up on your high horse don't understand is that sure, the government can close certain loopholes regarding tax, but there will always be consequenses of doing that and there are pretty damn good reasons why changes haven't been made. Start charging more tax, and people will piss off out of the country altogether. JP, Dermo, Denis etc along with the likes of Apple, Facebook and Google etc, will just up sticks and do their business elsewhere. What will that do for the economy? sh1t loads of jobs lost, knocking on to a massive loss in income tax for the country... what then.... tax rate increases for the rest.....?????

So sure, if you aren't happy about it, you have a right to consider it a bugbear, but you don't have the right to point the finge at him for breaking laws and acting immorally. Do that over in after hours if you must, but lets stick to the facts here please.

If you really aren't happy about it, go and vote Sine Fein into power. Then lets see what that does for the country.

Paulzx

Seve OB wrote: »

Parlance pretty much summed it all up there.

I've no idea how JP works his tax affairs and really it is not any of my business and I don't care. The important thing is that he is not actually breaking any laws.

Now I also have a good understanding of how the tax system works and have no doubt in my mind that JP through Adare & Luttrelstown and whatever else he operates on these shores has paid more Irish tax than probably all of us put together will ever do.

What you guys up on your high horse don't understand is that sure, the government can close certain loopholes regarding tax, but there will always be consequenses of doing that and there are pretty damn good reasons why changes haven't been made. Start charging more tax, and people will piss off out of the country altogether. JP, Dermo, Denis etc along with the likes of Apple, Facebook and Google etc, will just up sticks and do their business elsewhere. What will that do for the economy? sh1t loads of jobs lost, knocking on to a massive loss in income tax for the country... what then.... tax rate increases for the rest.....?????

So sure, if you aren't happy about it, you have a right to consider it a bugbear, but you don't have the right to point the finge at him for breaking laws and acting immorally. Do that over in after hours if you must, but lets stick to the facts here please.

If you really aren't happy about it, go and vote Sine Fein into power. Then lets see what that does for the country.

I've no idea how you have managed to attach Sinn Fein to one of my posts Please don't align me with a political party that i actually loath.

Secondly, I never pointed any fingers at JP with respect to illegality. Please show me where i did.

Thirdly......don't tell me to leave the forum just because you don't agree with me. Report my post if you have an issue with it.

slave1

I just hope this does not drag the other "premium" courses up......

Tin_Cup

Membership is €5k a year. Anyone know what the K Club Palmer course is charging these days? If memory serves me right the K Club is still more expensive for membership per year (around 8k)?

Seve OB

Paulzx wrote: »

I've no idea how you have managed to attach Sinn Fein to one of my posts Please don't align me with a political party that i actually loath.

Secondly, I never pointed any fingers at JP with respect to illegality. Please show me where i did.

Thirdly......don't tell me to leave the forum just because you don't agree with me. Report my post if you have an issue with it.

if you have a problem with people not paying their taxes, your opinions are the same of Sine Fein and they promises time and time again that they would close all these loopholes. I never aligned you with the party, i just said your opinions match.

i meant you in general, not just you pesonally, but I also pointed out morally.

my humblest appologies, ive no issue with your post. lets just leave it out altogether and talk about the golf from now on

Seve OB

Tin_Cup wrote: »

Membership is €5k a year. Anyone know what the K Club Palmer course is charging these days? If memory serves me right the K Club is still more expensive for membership per year (around 8k)?

yea i thought they were up around there alright

luttrelstown used to be the same till they "closed" the place. think they only want about 2.5k now

Keano

Back to talking about golf, not who owns the place and his affairs. That's for the politics forum!!

slingerz

Disappointed that the listed green fees will put this course out of reach. Hopefully they will host some open days that we can get into

ronnie3585

slingerz wrote: »

Disappointed that the listed green fees will put this course out of reach. Hopefully they will host some open days that we can get into

Given the exclusive market they're pitching to I'd say that's highly unlikely.

JimmyMcGill

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Given the exclusive market they're pitching to I'd say that's highly unlikely.

That's what they said about Doonbeg too. Although JPs quiff isn't quite so pronounced.

BigChap1759

slingerz wrote: »

Disappointed that the listed green fees will put this course out of reach. Hopefully they will host some open days that we can get into

I just don't get this attitude - the owner had spent multi millions on redeveloping the course and is now selling to a particular segment of the market.

There are courses like this in every country and no one has a god given right to play any private golf course they decide.

And it's nothing to do with the boom?!? It's not targeting your average GUI member - so what!

Kingswood Rover

Keano wrote: »

Back to talking about golf, not who owns the place and his affairs. That's for the politics forum!!

You started the thread, with the greatest of respect Keano what did you expect "oh that's a bit expensive for a game of golf"